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Thirst for Knowledge
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Thirst for Knowledge Discussion
5 days ago
1 week ago
Yo buddio, let's have a look shall we:
- Gitaxian Probe - What're you hoping to actually achieve with it? Storm decks run it as a free draw w/ doomsday, free spell that cantrips whilst generating info about what the control players are up to, why this over something like Opt for you - or something higher impact? I just don't see where this fits into your overall strategy. I'd rather run Telepathy over this and I'm not a Telepathy fan. I'd just want something higher impact.
- Spell Pierce - Sure, meta call - totally fine.
- Prismatic Lens - Yeah, filtering for coloured mana when you're going off w/ Paradox is hella good in certain scenarios. Fine inclusion.
- Sphere of Resistance - Personally hate Sphere, we run a pseudo turbo xerox gameplan, a lot of cheap cantrips and mana rocks, Sphere is super bad for these, great if your meta is all fast combo and food chain though. Decent silver bullet.
- Reshape is fine. You're gonna love Transmute when you get it. Paradox all day erry day.
- Whir of Invention - Yeah fine. Pretty 'okay' feeling card when I've played it; very infrequently been impressed by it, but always at least decent.
- Blue Sun's Zenith - I mean, I guess. Rev is really good w/ lifegain and the double GAA4 benefit. Honestly don't see the 'can function as a win condition' as much as a pro considering how the deck currently operates.
- Thirst for Knowledge Yeah, I used to run it myself, Manifold is getting cut actually too actually.
- Glen Elendra Archmage u wot m9? Nah. I'm not down with this. I'd suggest introducing a Counterbalance package if you want repeatable countermagic. 6 mana for double negate is super clunky. Bad! Stop!
- Consecrated Sphinx - Yup. Top banana that card, in the right matchup. Sometimes a man just needs haymakers.
Overall a fine list, but yeah, not liking 1, 7, 9 and iffy on 4. I'd also suggest another piece of spot removal if you're dropping wrath. Reality Shift is tutorable with Muddle, Merchant Scroll and functions as a Paradox/Scepter wincon by exiling people's entire libraries (providing they have at least one valid target).
1 week ago
A sydri staple I always use is Caltrops. With both of Sydri's abilities on it, any attacking creature coming your way is destroyed. This is a very potent rattlesnake setup. I see a lot of good combo pieces in here, which is always a good win condition. I would also recommend Thirst for Knowledge instead of Pilfered Plans, mostly because of the instant speed draw and better card selection. Making someone mill for two in commander is pretty hit or miss, as most decks have recursion effects anyway. Archangel's Light could be replaced by Elixir of Immortality, as it is an artifact that can be fetched with Trinket Mage and has more synergy with the artifact theme. I would definitely look up the top scoring Sydri decks here and look at what they have to offer. This is definitely a good start, she's a real blast to play once you get your deck to where you want it.
1 week ago
I didn't check on this site for quite some time - now i'd like to respond and comment on your list, deadmanwaltzing, cause I also did some playtesting and changes to mine. I'll create a deck soon to also show you my current list.
Last time I asked a lot of questions regarding some cardchoices. Maybe you didn't feel like answering to all of these, so this time I'm gonna just outline the cardchoices that are different in my list from yours. Also, I'd like to tell you that I agree with most of your decisions regarding your development of a competitive Arbiter-List and that I respect you as the more experienced player in this regard.
I started playing EDH about a year ago in a quite competitive playgroup (General Tazri, Teferi, Derevi, Prosh, meanwhile also a Thrasios/Tymna list, a Keranos, a Rashmi and a Kaho which is very fun to play against). Starting with Brago I shifted to GAA4 because it felt like my Brago was always a bit slow in comparism to the others at the table... With GAA4 everyone is frowning at your Commander, hoping that it doesn't come down in T1-2 :) also I do like the control-playstyle and the interaction it provides.
Well, the different cardchoices in my list are:
- Gitaxian Probe
- Spell Pierce | I don't run Flusterstorm
- Prismatic Lens
- Sphere of Resistance | I don't run Torpor Orb
- Reshape | Don't have Transmute Artifact yet
- Whir of Invention
- Blue Sun's Zenith | I don't run Sphinx's Revelation but not 100% sure
- Thirst for Knowledge | I don't run Manifold Insights
- Glen Elendra Archmage | Instead of Wrath of God because I feel like non-creature spells are a lot stronger and both the Yisan-Deck and the Derevi-Deck aren't present in my playgroup anymore
- Consecrated Sphinx still playtesting - current experiences: good in midrange- and, prism-matchups. Actually awfully slow in most games against combo or combo/control
Cards I don't run from your list are:
- Into the Roil
- Relic of Progenitus
- Mystic Gate
- and Mana Drain & Timetwister which are obvious inclusions but I couldn't afford them yet.
I currently think about how to get rid of Staff of Domination because it feels clunky lots of times when drawn to early and Sensei's Divining Top also does his job together with Scepter. I will playtest an Academy Ruins for the case that Top gets countered. Also Lotus Petal might be good in matchups like General Tazri and Thrasios/Tymna where they are quite slowed with Arbiter in play and you want fast mana as soon as possible...
1 week ago
As for the Navigator's Ruin, I'm sure you could find more suited cards for the deck, but if you like it, keep it. The usual problem with milling like this, is that your opponent will be dead from being slapped in the face long before they are milled to death. Milling the opponent definitely could annoy them though, but against other decks such as re-animators or delve, you'd just be helping the opponent.
It's up to you whether or not you want to keep some removal, but I would highly recommend running some. A deck without removal is just putting itself in danger, and I'd almost never run a deck without 4 removal spells.
I also really would consider some draw spells, because there's no worse feeling than topdecking and just drawing useless stuff all the time. Blue is the master of draw spells, with stuff like Opt, Serum Visions, Sleight of Hand, Anticipate, Telling Time, Thirst for Knowledge, Distant Melody or Curiosity. For green you can go with Keen Sense or Warriors' Lesson.
I personally like the Cold-Eyed Selkie as it will easily draw you 3-4 cards with some of your buffers in play, but if you can't get that then so be it.
The artifacts I threw in the maybeboard are indeed expensive, but might prove to be lethal in tribal decks. You can look into them at a later point after playtesting with the deck.
Remember that you can always alter your decks, mine are still being altered 2 years after I've made them.
2 weeks ago
@: I like the idea of playing Emperion so I shall try to use it. The biggest difference is its mana cost. That one turn is super important imo. Also at my local cgs there is a lot of infect running around so I generally have to work around that.
As to Supreme Will, I think its worth it to playtest with it. A split could be good. I feel like a lot of times the ability to actually get card advantage off of the card as opposed to just cantrip with it is really useful. Discarding unwanted cards also thins your deck out a bit unlike the will after you shuffle your deck. I think the counter could be very very influential but holding up 3 mana for it is a little gross if you're early in your game. I think at most times in the early game you'd rather just let their threat hit the board and then take care of it later, instead using your three mana to use its draw ability which I think is significantly inferior to Thirst for Knowledge's. Ill try it however and I am also optimistic about maybe doing a sort of split.
I have decided to follow your lead and main Spellskite as well as it is a 0/4 for two mana. That in game one is very good and the fact that it will shut down quite few number of other decks is really good. I'm gonna guess that this card will often be sided out tho.
Epiphany at the Drownyard is really just personal preference. I am running a 1/3 split between the drownyard and the Thirst for Knowledges. I feel like it turns on at about 5-6 mana and helps you snowball in the end game. When you use it you just have to have the mindset that you won't cast it unless they don't have a threat to play. Most of the time countering their spell or killing/bouncing their creature instead of drawing with the epiphany. But there will be times when they don't have a threat and then you get so much value from the card.
I am thinking that Trickbind could be really good now too. The value it gives when you shut down entire combos for a turn is really really good and while you don't get to cantrip with it I think that in this meta the exra versatility of Trickbind puts it barely over Squelch in usefulness.
I think that Urza's Factory while good would crowd out Mirrorpool. I'd consider adding it if I removed another spell but as of now Mirrorpool has been serving me really well as it helps get the edge in a game where you have tron but you're still deadlocked with your opponent. The factory could help you stabilize if you have tron but no money cards but It's not that efficient. That's just my thoughts.
Thanks for the advise wanna play on Trice sometime?
2 weeks ago
IzzetFanatic. I do understand that Platinum Angel serves a purpose that Platinum Emperion cannot fill. For the few decks that still try to run the Hive Mind and Pact combo (Slaughter Pact, Pact of Negation, and Summoner's Pact) Platinum Angel can stop those decks. However, 99% of the time, we are using it to stay alive through some sort of damage or life loss, which Platinum Emperion literately stops their deck entirely. This may be a personal preference, but it is definitely the route I have decided to go.
As for the Supreme Will argument, I disagree that the first ability isn't relevant. Mana Leak is a staple counterspell in modern for a reason. Granted, two mana vs three absolutely is something that changes the value of the card, but we can still consider it a hard counter in modern. Then, if it is something we feel we don't need (losing and trying to desperately find something, we have a lot of other counters in hand, or counters just don't seem to matter against the deck) we can filter. It has the same CMC of Thirst for Knowledge so holding up the same amount of mana to counter something we don't like or couldn't deal with, or Anticipate for four cards is great utility. I haven't done the split as I am trying the deck without the Talisman of Dominance, but I haven't been able to playtest the Supreme Wills enough to guarantee the slot. I feel optimistic based on how it has played thus far though.
Spellskites have been a huge improvement to the deck. I have stalled many an aggressive deck until I got what I needed. I would highly recommend this in the meta that we are in right now. Granted, somewhat better with Thirst for Knowledge as it can be pitched if not needed in the deck, but still relevant. My favorite interaction with it so far was equipping a Batterskull onto it against a burn matchup. I looked at him and said, "Do you really want to continue?" He tried, but after the second attack he couldn't get anywhere haha.
So I did try Epiphany at the Drownyard, and just didn't care for it. Maybe it is the way I built the deck, but I hated to see it, rarely gave me what I needed, and I usually had to choose between holding up mana to cast it, or one of my big things. In most cases, the big things won due to the situation. If you've had success, I may try it again.
As for Trickbind over Squelch I took it because of the triggered ability part, and the fact of my opponent not being able to play anything else. Not sure you know about the Vizier of Remedies and Devoted Druid combo yet (forgot to mention it above), but they make infinite mana, filter their deck with Duskwatch Recruiter, then cast an infinite Walking Ballista to ping you to death. Trickbind can stop any piece of that combo. It also does stop the storm mechanic. Your opponent will get the original cast, but not any of the copys. Not to mention, split second seriously comes in handy. I would recommend you playtesting it over Squelch. I do not play on making the switch anytime soon, or at all most likely. I'm even looking to add a third copy into my deck because of the success I've had with it.
You seem to like Epiphany at the Drownyard, but looking at your list that would be the card to look at replacing for Endbringer if that is something you really wanted to try. Endbringer helps you draw which Epiphany at the Drownyard essentially does as well. Obviously creatures are easier to get rid of, but if it was something you truly wanted to playtest I'd say try that. As for Spellskite, maybe try replacing Spatial Contortion. I took them out of my version as it seemed that I was constantly holding them. Occasionally, I would use it on a Wurmcoil Engine to gain some extra life, but that is nothing more than a cute interaction. Also, have you seen Filigree Familiar? Is the draw more worth only gaining one life less than Bottle Gnomes? Being Bottle Gnomes is your interaction against burn, I thought I'd bring this to your attention.
2 weeks ago
For the most part, the meta has come back around to be a little more aggressive. 5-color humans is now a thing if you want to look into that. If you were here for the Death's Shadow movement, that is still going on, just a little on the outside now because the meta has adapted to it. Also, it is looking like Death's Shadow may be going an esper route to include Orzhov Charm and Leyline of Sanctity mainboard as a way of preventing hand disruption and straight to the face burn spells game one that was crippling their decks.
As far as cards go, the only one I can think of that you may want to look into is Supreme Will. I am playtesting it over Thirst for Knowledge, but I have seen multiple lists run both. I may end up going that route as well. I am also playtesting Endbringer for more draw power as well since I took out my Thirst for Knowledges. Not sure how I feel about it, but time will tell.
Here's my list that I've tried to keep "updated" through the times. I am debating on adding in All Is Dust or Cyclonic Rift mainboard to deal with the pesky aggressive meta, or possibly just upping Ugin, the Spirit Dragon to increase the chance of getting him to wipe the board. Not sure which route I want to go yet.
Lastly, I have had some EXTREME success with Platinum Emperion over Platinum Angel. The fact that Platinum Emperion can live through Dismember, double Lightning Bolt, ect is a huge advantage. Not to mention the fact that with Platinum Angel, people just keep ticking your life total down until they draw an answer. I'm not sure if you have considered it, but if you haven't, I'd say it is definitely worth playtesting.
This is all I can think of at the moment. If anything else comes to mind I'll let you know.