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Seaside Citadel enters the battlefield tapped.
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|Have (4)||pskinn01 , ivaggione , Cosmonautilis , shinbatsu|
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Seaside Citadel Discussion
1 week ago
First of all, I like the flavor here.
I really like Beast Within in Defender decks, as most Defenders are 0/4 or tougher. It's so useful against pretty much everything.
Colossus of Akros is arguably a better win-con than Stormtide Leviathan, which won't end the game the turn it swings and is more easily removed. The Leviathan does add a lot more flavor though, and it's tutor-able with Grozoth, so I can see why you're running it and I'm not suggesting you make a change there.
You've got a lot of land here and a lot of mana-dorks. I think you can cut 1-2 lands.
Following the mana-base, in my humble opinion, the two weakest creatures currently included: Jaddi Offshoot and Wall of Roots. Because Axebane and Battlement depend on other Defenders to be really powerful, it's good to have as many solid 1-2CMC Defenders as a possible. I like Wall of Tanglecord because it gives you reach, and with Assault Formation, it's effectively a 6/6. Steel Wall is also pretty good - because it's colorless, you will always be able to cast it on T1, and because it's 0/4, it's harder to remove. Wall of Blossoms is decent for 2CMC, and in my opinion, better than Wall of Roots, which only gives you 1 mana per turn, and only lasts a max of 5 turns while also becoming less and less useful as a blocker.
One major problem I encounter with Defender decks is staying in the game against decks that don't rely on creatures for damage. Stuff like burn, mill, infinite combos, etc can be really difficult to deal with. Therefore, something like Pay No Heed or Riot Control would be useful. Unfortunately, there are no non-combat "fogs" in green that I'm aware of. I see that you've included some counterspells, which will definitely help, but won't necessarily keep you in the game against a barrage of burn spells, etc. There are some other notable spells in white that would be very strong, namely Slaughter the Strong , which my play-mates absolutely abhor. Also a slew of decent Defenders like Perimeter Captain and Wall of Omens . While it's pretty risky to run 3 colors in a budget deck, between the Caryatids and Axebanes, it's a little more possible. Seaside Citadel would also be useful in this regard.
Quest for Renewal might be useful, as it will untap all your dorks on opponent's turns, giving you a lot more blocking power.
++ for Fog Bank. Love that critter.
3 weeks ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help. Nice $850+ budget, but the manabase doesn't look like you have this high of a budget. You have $130 Sliver Queen and are playing Vivid lands?
Lots of good advice here about Slivers, but no one has said anything about the manabase? You can improve the manabase even on a budget, but if you're willing to spend some then great, but either way you can make it better. The Vivid lands ( Vivid Grove ) are not good. Even if you were playing proliferate which you're not; there are much better land options. The ETB tapped Fetch lands ( Flood Plain ) are also not good unless you are able to fetch dual lands that can consistently ETB untapped which you don't have here.
The Battle lands ( Cinder Glade ) are good budget dual lands, but only if you're playing a lot of basic lands. There's only 10 basic lands here which means consistently a Battle land won't ETB untapped and when you fetch one it will also ETB tapped. When you need five colors these Fetch lands are too slow and are not helping enough if all they're fetching is a basic land or a Battle land. Consider the Shock lands ( Overgrown Tomb )? You can fetch a Shock land and have it ETB untapped for the cost of 2 life. They could replace the Vivid lands.
If not willing or can't afford to add the Shock lands then another option to consider is adding the Tri lands ( Jungle Shrine ) replacing the Vivid lands and ETB tapped Fetch lands. Tri lands also ETB tapped and are not ideal, but they can make one of three different colors the next turn. Unlike the Vivid lands they can be tapped each turn after to make a different color of mana. The Vivid lands will run out of counters and then they become really useless in a five color deck.
Manabase changes to consider.
Add the Shock lands, cut the Vivid lands:
- Overgrown Tomb
- Temple Garden
- Breeding Pool
- Watery Grave
- Hallowed Fountain
- Stomping Ground
- Blood Crypt
Add the Tri lands, cut the Vivid lands and ETB tapped Fetch lands.
- Jungle Shrine
- Seaside Citadel
- Savage Lands
- Crumbling Necropolis
- Arcane Sanctum
- Opulent Palace
- Frontier Bivouac
- Sandsteppe Citadel
- Mystic Monastery
Consider land tutors: Crop Rotation and/or Sylvan Scrying ? There's several Rainbow lands ( Command Tower ) here that they can tutor for which can be helpful for color fixing. Fellwar Stone is a good two drop mana rock. Good luck with your deck.
3 weeks ago
Umm, well I can't offer my exact land selection to you as it involves revised duals I can say this:
Fetches are your friend, seriously. In a 5 color deck having fetches rarely make me sad, so I would run the full contingent:
There are Mirage fetches as well, a whole friendly color cycle of them, they are 'slow' but they can still grab shock lands, and cost no life: Rocky Tar Pit , Bad River , Flood Plain , Grasslands , Mountain Valley These also have the benefit of being absurdly cheap. That being said, if you do not have access to these, I'll offer some other suggestions.
Go up to 42-44 lands. Sure the curve hits 3/4, but I don't think the ideal is to hit 4 lands and be pleased with life, so I would suggest adding lands, and increasing consistency by removing some of the etb tapped lands:
Here are some 'simple' 1:1 conversions for cards I think would suit the deck better.
Honestly I hate the Terminate and some of the other choices but I am exhausted so I thought I would offer some help as opposed to trying to offer more and simply not posting.
4 weeks ago
I would go Rampant Growth , Farseek , Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Commander's Sphere and Darksteel Ingot over Explosive Vegetation , Nissa's Renewal and Gilded Lotus . Most dragons are 6 CMC, therefore you should focus on getting 5 mana on turn 3 or 4.
I would also lower the number of lands to 37-38 and rely more on mana accelerants (at least 10). Since white and blue are minority on this deck, you might replace Arcane Sanctum , Mystic Monastery and Seaside Citadel with Vivid Crag , Vivid Marsh and Vivid Grove .
I noticed my Ur-Dragon is 37% red, and I have many 2-3 CMC green ramp, so I set a rule: every tapland must produce green (so I can cast any 2 CMC ramp spell on turn 2) and every other nonbasic land must produce red (so I can cast the red cost reducer shamans and the RRR dragons on curve).
1 month ago
So now I'm going to organize this post is from different types of cards and alternatives and/or strictly better cards that have the same Converted mana cost!
Let's start with enchantments! It seems like your all over the place, which is fine, but you have aura enchantments and land enchantments. which seems a little weird to me! Normally you want to either go a route for your deck, and this seems unorganized, so let us fix that! Serra Aviary is a bad card, cause it also gives opponents fliers +1/+1, we don't want this. So id suggest either going with some like Citadel Siege cause sure, it won't buff all creatures, and it'll give a boost to one creature you want per turn, or it can be used defensively which is always a plus! I'd also suggest going Dictate of Heliod cause it gives an extra +1/+1 for one extra mana, AND IT HAS FLASH! For cards that are better for the 4 cmc are Light from Within , Force of Virtue , Marshal's Anthem .
For protection cards or cards that accumulate value, instead of Angelic Renewal and Angelic Accord , cards which can be good, but you don't have a whole lof of life gain or recursion to run these two! So I'd suggest cards like Sigil of the New Dawn , Kindred Boon , Privileged Position and Asceticism are 100% more effective in protecting your creatures or giving good value.
Now that we got enchantments out of the way! lets work on these instants! I love some of these instants, Absorb is a fun card that I'm 100% gonna get, same with Archmage's Charm ! Disdainful Stroke , Essence Scatter (and the like), Commencement of Festivities and Guardian Angel are all weaker versions of cards like Mana Drain and Counterspell which I'd upgrade with. I'd also suggest getting some artifact/enchantment removal such as Krosan Grip one of the best in this as it has split second, another card I highly recommend is Bant Charm one of the most versatile instant printed in these colors. some other instants i enjoy and have seen good results with are Teferi's Protection , Plasm Capture / Mana Drain , Render Silent , Arcane Denial , Dawn Charm and Heroic Intervention . Those are just some of my recommendations! I may have some more but You'd really need to let me know what direction you want to go!!
For sorceries, you're in gosh darn green! WHERE ARE THE RAMP SPELLS?!!??!!? Add Farseek , and since we have big fatty CMC angels, Recross the Paths puts in some work! Kodama's Reach and Explosive Vegetation are better than cards like Rampant Growth because 1) it gives card advantage (2 lands for 1 card) and 2) gives us more mana to work with during the late game! (this is when angel decks typically win). other ramp spells I use are Cultivate and Traverse the Outlands .
I've noticed this deck does not have a SINGLE BOARD WIPE, as big as our angels are for the CMC, we won't be able to cast them until later, board wipes are essential to have especially since you aren't running any pillow forts kind of cards, I HIGHLY recommend adding some, cards that I've always had in my white decks are Austere Command , Rout , Supreme Verdict , Cleansing Nova , Descend upon the Sinful , Planar Cleansing and Mass Calcify . Some other sources that are more focused with tribal is Harsh Mercy sure each player gets to pick a creature type, but that typically is one creature for them, and of course we'll pick angels, so we get the upper-hand in this!
We need some card draw, and this is important as I don't see any in this deck and that is a HUGE mistake. Think about adding cards like Rishkar's Expertise , Praetor's Counsel , Blue Sun's Zenith , Sphinx's Revelation , Finale of Revelation just to name a few that come to mind.
For Lands, these look just.....fine albeit slow, but not quite optimized. I totally understand how people on a budget don't run cards like Misty Rainforest and the like. But as a 3 color deck, I suggest adding in cards like Temple of Enlightenment and Temple of Plenty at least you'll get value from them coming in tapped. Other cards I'd suggest are Krosan Verge , Prairie Stream , Flooded Grove , Wooded Bastion , Seaside Citadel , Path of Ancestry , Forbidden Orchard (cause what is a 1/1 to our angels? PFFT) other lands that give some utility in a pinch are: Scattered Groves and Irrigated Farmland ! other good cards are Glacial Fortress (and it's kin), Hinterland Harbor and Temple Garden !
For Artifacts, I see the signets, I don't typically run the
and X signets just cause I like my land ramp better and won't get destroyed with target removal or artifact/enchantment wipes. but as a 3 color deck, you 100% NEED
basically makes all your mana problems go away, just tap lands for whatever color you need! If you're trying to go for some voltronish cards, I'd suggest going like
, which basically secures that you keep whatever creature you want alive for the rest of the game (unless they exile it with a spell somehow).
is also a good card as people won't want to block because it exiles shit, which is GREAT, let me tell you how many times people didn't block because they wanted to keep their creature(s).
For tribal support cards, there is a very small pool to chose from, So you might want to grab a Vanquisher's Banner , Herald's Horn , Urza's Incubator , Door of Destinies , Coat of Arms , Stoneforge Masterwork and Cryptic Gateway are some cards to look at!
Ok, lets finally get this creature situation fixed! first of, YOU'RE AN ANGEL DECK WITHOUT ITS PRIME GURL!?! WHERE IS MY Avacyn, Angel of Hope ?!?!?!??!!?!?!? I'm disappointed!!!! But for real, add her.
Other cards considering should be Metallic Mimic (if you're going for a 1/1 counter theme.) Solemn Simulacrum should go in here, he's just too good not to have here! Rhonas the Indomitable is a great mana sink, and if you really need to give trample to your creatures, Nylea, God of the Hunt is also a good alternative. Resplendent Angel is a great 3 cmc angel, don't underestimate this gurl! Sephara, Sky's Blade is also a great (shittier) version of our gurl Avacyn, Angel of Hope but still a good effect none-the-less! Iridescent Angel , for a 7 mana angel, I was hesitant at running her in my jenara deck, but has proved to be SO GOSHDARN STRONG! Can literally take ANY damage from ANYTHING (don't mention the Eldrazi to this gurl) but it has soaked up a lot of damage over my games. Archangel of Tithes is a great 4 cmc angel that gives taxes for attacking and defending! great include! Angel of Invention a fabulous card, especially if you have something that gives +1/+1 counters, say a Bow of Nylea , is a great addition to our squad! Angel of Serenity is a good card here as well! great recursion for this deck! since we're in bant, Stoic Angel is also a good include! Akroma, Angel of Wrath can't go wrong with an 8/8 creature with so many keywords and protection(s)!
Also, there is ONE card that is SO GOSHDARN UNDERRATED AND NEVER PLAYED and has literally been the BIGGEST beater I've EVER seen is non-other than Selfless Squire . THIS GURL...Where are my words for this card. It's a fog effect but you get a MASSIVE creature that has to be answered or your opponent die! I've had people swing at me for 20+ damage, not worried because of Selfless Squire and she becomes a huge creature, give her trample and/or indestructible, good game! This gurl is so badass she can oftentimes beat an ELDRAZI TITAN 1v1 (in terms of power/toughness). Best and most fun card I'VE EVER PLAYED IN A CREATURE! 50/10 would recommend!
1 month ago
- Command Tower
- Seaside Citadel
- Temple Garden
- Hallowed Fountain
- Breeding Pool
- Glacial Fortress
- Sunpetal Grove
- Hinterland Harbor
- Windswept Heath
- Flooded Strand
- Bant Panorama
- Misty Rainforest
- City of Brass
- Temple of Plenty
- Exotic Orchard
- Polluted Delta
- Reflecting Pool
- Wooded Foothills
- Tropical Island
- Krosan Verge
- Marsh Flats
1 month ago
Ok, Nice Deck, I would think it functions well, the only problem I see regards the lands. You should be consistent with the lands you have, and should thus consider adding the following cards: Seaside Citadel , Temple Garden , Sunpetal Grove , Scattered Groves , Razorverge Thicket , Windswept Heath , Brushland , Wooded Bastion , Hallowed Fountain , Seachrome Coast , Port Town , Adarkar Wastes , Mystic Gate , Flooded Strand , Breeding Pool , Waterlogged Grove , Yavimaya Coast , and Misty Rainforest . Once you add these, I can guarantee your deck will be much better! Nonetheless, I hope you find these helpful! If you do, please upvote my deck: A Deal with the Devil, and keep up the good work! Good luck on your deck, hope this was helpful, and have a nice day.
2 months ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.
Budget lands to consider adding:
- Command Tower : reprinted in Commander 2019 (C19), one of the best lands for multicolored Commander decks.
- Seaside Citadel : Bant Tri-land.
- Yavimaya Coast : reprinted in C19.
- Exotic Orchard : reprinted in C19.
- Ash Barrens : reprinted in C19.
- Prairie Stream : reprinted in C19.
- Canopy Vista
- Opal Palace
The lands that have been reprinted in C19 will decrease in price over the next month.
Upgrades to consider:
- Forgotten Ancient > Angel of Deliverance
- Managorger Hydra > Resplendent Griffin
- Cathars' Crusade > Elite Scaleguard or Cultivator of Blades
- Sol Ring > Teyo, the Shieldmage
- Good-Fortune Unicorn > New Horizons
- Thrummingbird > Shanna, Sisay's Legacy
- Grateful Apparition > Storm Fleet Aerialist
- Farseek > Nissa's Pilgrimage
- Inspiring Call > Ojutai's Command
- Brainstorm > Attune with Aether
- Ponder > Broken Bond
- Unbreakable Formation > Assure / Assemble
- Tezzeret's Gambit > Courage in Crisis
Many of these suggestions are repeatable sources of proliferate or counters. Ancient and Managorger are good with a counters theme because they get counters as you and your opponents cast spells. In multiplayer Commander these cards if not dealt with can get out of hand very fast especially Managorger because it has trample. Farseek can search for a dual land: Temple Garden , Irrigated Farmland or Scattered Groves . Being able to land ramp with a dual is helpful when playing three colors and wanting to be able to make turn three.
Seaside Citadel occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.08%
GWU (Bant): 2.12%