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Seaside Citadel Discussion
1 week ago
Thanks Grind !
All very worthy points made!
I had the Elf package in this deck in the early going and found that it was very lack luster, a lack of haste to use, and especially once chulane was out simply not needed. Pulling one mid to late game, like most mana dorks, just felt deflating.
The 0 drops on the other hand, though disappointing when looking at, really can drive this deck more so then at first glance. Most of the time that 0 drop cast triggers chulane and has great benifit, either through etb or chulanes ability and for me, feels good mid to late game. They enter for nothing, trigger for 1 free draw and one free land drop and possibly a second by using chulane to return for 3 mana, or 3 mana for two draws and two land drops. Most players are not looking to counter or burn the "0" drop. They end up being chump blockers that I'm not thinking about tapping for mana while giving free cost, and if they are in the opening hand, once chulane is out, you can still bounce them back to your hand.
The land in the deck flows stupid out of it. I don't believe I've had a game with less then 10 mana at any time after the 6th round. That being said, as shameful as it is to say, I don't physically have a Seaside Citadel yet, also upon your comment I have realized that the land base has not been updated recently/regularly and will be corrected (tomorrow).
As for the Signets, that's more or less due to the meta I'm in being very creature heavy, hence very board wipe heavy. They are more likely to survive a few rounds lmao.
I am going to place the Fierce Empath back into this deck, I had it out for a bit, because I was playing a lot more smaller creatures, but with the adds recently I agree that having access to them would be good!
I'm also going to go looking for a Seasons Past - another card I'd forgotten about, but would be nice to have!
Thanks again for the comment and the suggestions!
1 week ago
I would look at Seaside Citadel over another tapland.
Any thoughts about mana dorks over the 0 drops? I would feel a starting hand with Avacyn's Pilgrim and Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , Fyndhorn Elves would feel a lot better than starting with memnite and Ornithopter... but just a thought.
In fact, there are lots more creature ramp you could run, downside is susceptibleto boardwipes. Up to you to decide if the synergy is worth running
over some of your signets.
Heck you could even consider Wood Elves or Farhaven Elf over sorcery ramps.
Also Fierce Empath is a great way to tutor your bane of progress, and Seasons Past is a great way to recur your creature cards after a boardwipe. And you can cast them again for more value!!
Just some ideas, cheers and have fun.
3 weeks ago
Definite things I should look at replacing with better or determine if they fit in:
1 month ago
Have you thought about Mechanized Production ? You could put it on a golem token.
And roon would make me want to play Rings of Brighthearth or Seedborn Muse so you can use his ability more.
Also i would consider Seaside Citadel over your tap land.
Just some thoughts, cheers and have fun!!!
1 month ago
Dont forget about Seaside Citadel .
Aslo Avenger of Zendikar seems good. Imagine playing lands with ozolith out and then there is a boardwipe. You get tons of +1 counters!
Also Devoted Druid is cool bc it can turn +1 counters into mana.
2 months ago
What do you think of
Arcades, the Strategist
I recommend 2-3x Seaside Citadel and cutting down on the Lifegain Lands for a more consisten Manabase.
For the sideboard Teyo, the Shieldmage might be a fine choise against Burn- & Discard Spells.
2 months ago
5 months ago
Hey, well done building a budget version of Overload, but unless your willing to spend more to upgrade the manabase a lot then getting above power level 5 will not be possible. There's no Command Tower or Exotic Orchard which are budget staples of Commander especially with five color decks. You honestly shouldn't be worrying about power level at all with a tribal deck that's less than $200.
On a budget there's limited options for playable lands for a five color manabase. Your best options for lands in five colors are Rainbow lands (Command Tower), etc. Unfortunately most Rainbow lands are expensive price cards, but there's some exceptions:
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Unclaimed Territory
- Ancient Ziggurat: Mystery Booster version.
- Path of Ancestry
- Cascading Cataracts
- Opal Palace
The goal of any manabase in Commander is to have the least amount of lands that will always ETB tapped because then game play is not hindered by the lands you play since you can tap the land for mana the same turn you play it. On a budget for five colors it will difficult, almost impossible, to not play some lands that always ETB tapped, but the lands that do this better give you good color fixing to make up for it and you don't need to play a ton of them.
Tri lands (Jungle Shrine) will always ETB tapped, but when they untap they can make one color of three different color choices which makes them on a budget worth playing:
- Jungle Shrine
- Frontier Bivouac
- Savage Lands
- Sandsteppe Citadel
- Seaside Citadel
- Crumbling Necropolis
- Mystic Monastery
Tri lands along with Path of Ancestry should be the only lands in the manabase that always ETB tapped.
I've built a lot of budget five color manabases for $200 decks and they use basic lands with dual lands that have good interaction with basic lands. Battle lands (Cinder Glade) and Check lands (Rootbound Crag) are dual lands that have interaction with basic lands to make them ETB untapped:
- Cinder Glade
- Canopy Vista
- Sunken Hollow
- Prairie Stream
- Smoldering Marsh
- Rootbound Crag
- Sulfur Falls
- Dragonskull Summit
Battle lands also have interaction with Check lands because they're two different land types which is what Check lands look for. Many Check lands are expensive price, but there's a few that are less than $4. All Check lands are more expensive than Battle lands therefore add more Battle and less Check. Battle lands are nice with Farseek since it can search for one of them and being able to ramp with a dual land gives you much better color fixing then just a basic land.
Example of a budget five color manabase shell to build from:
- 8-10 Rainbow lands
- 20 basic lands
- 5-8 Battle lands/Check lands
- 5-8 Tri lands
You have the right idea with playing green land ramp spells which are good with 20x basic lands for ramp and color fixing, but you can expand on this with cards that let you search for any land meaning it can get a land that's not a basic land. Crop Rotation is a powerful budget card in Commander since you can sac a basic land to search for any land and put it onto the battlefield. Sac a basic land to get a Rainbow land. Crop is an instant meaning you could cast it during an opponents end step to get a Tri land then untap on your turn and be able to tap the Tri land for mana. Sylvan Scrying is another land tutor to get any land.
I offer more advice about Slivers on a budget. Good luck with your deck.