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As Godless Shrine enters the battlefield, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, Godless Shrine enters the battlefield tapped.
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Godless Shrine Discussion
4 days ago
Hey, you're welcome.
My next advice is consider improving the manabase? More dual lands in place of some basic lands, Bloodfell Caves and Immersturm Skullcairn to help color fixing. 27 basic lands is a lot for a three color deck since you risk drawing all of one or two types of basic lands. On a budget there's several lands to consider adding:
- Exotic Orchard
- Caves of Koilos
- Battlefield Forge
- Path of Ancestry
- Nomad Outpost
- Tainted Field
- Smoldering Marsh
- Ash Barrens
- Evolving Wilds
- Orzhov Basilica
- Rakdos Carnarium
Lands that will always ETB untapped are better, but there aren't a lot of budget options. The next tiers of prices for some lands for future upgrades ($4 lowest to $10 highest):
2 weeks ago
Ok, here's a little bit of analysis to consider. Break it up into some comments to read. These are opinions based on experience, playing and watching lots of commander content over the years, doesn't account for your specific playstyle or how you have fun playing commander which are certainly as important of decisions, as is card selection.
You are very low in the mana curve, 11 1-drop, 21 2-drop, 15 3-drop, 16 4-drop, and Orzhov () has lots of pips, but mana ramp is critical to getting your plan onboard as quickly as others, having mana available to advance board state/gain advantage and have interaction, and landing your larger threats sooner.
Sol Ring (CMC1 for 2 = +1 mana) is a must include.
Orzhov Signet I personally don't like (CMC3 for 1 = -2 mana) but also you're in which doesn't ramp as it's core strength.
Arcane Signet (CMC2 for 1 = -1 mana) is a must include, there are only a few archetypes I wouldn't play this in and usually only .
Talisman of Hierarchy (CMC2 for 1 = -1 mana) is a must include in .
I would start with that at least, some fringe ones I like are: Burnished Hart (creature/recursion), Commander's Sphere (draw), Mycosynth Wellspring (to hand, fringe), Pristine Talisman (lifegain, fringe), Solemn Simulacrum (ramp+draw!), The Birth of Meletis (doesn't help with , but ramp, 0/4 blocker, lifegain? it has it all!), Wayfarer's Bauble (ramp).
On a premise of battlecruiser/low/mid power 3-6 I DO NOT recommend these, but there are stronger options out there beyond 6: Phyrexian Altar (combo builds), Mana Vault , Mana Crypt , Chrome Mox , Smothering Tithe , Land Tax (Might not be bad in this build)
Honestly on a Avg. CMC 2.99 mana curve, I would likely have 10-12 ramp.
Some potential cuts for these:
Gorgon's Head you've got plenty of deathtouch already, it's not pairing with a Viridian Longbow strategy or anything, it's redundant, but also the worst. Easy cut. (We can get to Open the Armory / Steelshaper's Gift later)
Pierce Strider CMC4 for a 3/3 is just plain bad, the idea is play, do 3 damage, block/sac it, noone going to pay 3 to prevent it? but they will because it's going to do 3 anyway on return, and if your using recursion on this, your making the wrong play as it has no value engine on it. Easy cut.
Creeping Chill for CMC4 sorcery is not great, you're not playing a mill strategy so you're not really casting it for free often. It's not a strong play, we can find better ones, like ramping into Athreos, God of Passage sooner.
Font of Return for CMC6? Yikes. (CMC2+CMC4 for 3 creatures to hand is not great, we can get them on the battlefield for that high a CMC).
Angelic Gift hmm we have flyers, with deathtouch, it replaces itself (draw a card) but unless we flickering it ( Ephemerate or Brago, King Enternal something like that, it sets up easy 2-for-1 if an opponent has instand speed removal.
Topic: Lands! (Umm!)
Average Distribution Build: 38 lands
Average Budget Build: 36 lands
Average Expensive Build: 37 lands
Average Aristocrats Build: 35 lands
Average Reanimator Build: 31 lands (closer)
Your Build: 30 lands (Umm!)
No way you can run 30 lands, and 0 ramp in this deck. I wouldn't shuffle this deck with less than 33 lands, probably 34-36 if I'm playing enters tapped/utility lands. I might (maybe not) go to 33 lands with 9+ ramp spells, but even then, 34 would feel better.
Do you have a combo with Piranha Marsh like Worldgorger Dragon does, if not, just delaying yourself for little value (1 damage). Kabira Crossroads in this same bucket, it's just not work the tapped mana.
Let's be honest, lands SUCK, they are too expensive! Here is a list of lands you should look at:
Lands I don't suggest: Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse (<$1 fixed color), Scoured Barrens (<$1 fixed color), Isolated Chapel ($6, Not bad but not T1 land), Myriad Landscape (<$1, slow), Temple of Silence (<$1, scry/slow).
Have to head out, I'll review more topics and recs later, but here are some other cards can come out for mana. Gorgon Flail it's on theme and not bad, but let's get that Basilisk Collar or Quietus Spike instead. Soul Stair Expedition I would rather Animate Dead or Reanimate to the battlefield right away, not have to wait for lands (it still sacrifices itself). Not Forgotten we have better removal. Have to head out now! More later to read. :) If it's too much info, let me know!
2 months ago
Remove the diamonds.
Those boardwipes should help when opponents get out of hand, that way you still get a token. I recommend investing in a better Mana base.
Is a good start.
2 months ago
cfost827 I haven't had any problems like you mentioned so far. Remember that Knight of the White Orchid doesn't have to fetch a basic plains and can instead grab Godless Shrine or Scrubland. The odds of drawing multiples of the plains-only fetches and knight of the white orchid while already having their targets on the field or in hand are unlikely. However, I agree that this is an easily-preventable problem if you keep encountering it. I'd start by getting rid of Arid Mesa and replacing it with one plains. This will decrease the number of plains-only fetches to 3 total and increase the number of plains targets to 4 total, so you shouldn't realistically have any more problems. If you want to further change the mana base, it's the most flexible part of the deck. Personally, I value mana consistency in early turns, so I don't see myself changing anything immediately. If you find value in adding in more basics, and it works for you in testing, that's great!
3 months ago
So, let's have a look at the type of things you may want.
Lands: So, I can't afford OG duals really, but have found that shocks and fetches, coupled with the battlebond lands have kind of served me well. Fetches can get pricey, but you by no mean need them all. Having 5 or 6 fetches, all the shock lands (10 to 15 bucks each) and then filling it out with something like the battlebond lands can really sort you out. Cavern of Souls is always good, and can see you have one. Basically, lands coming into play untapped are much better. Quicker access to all that slivery goodness. Personally I would look to change those 3 colour tap lands and things like Rupture Spire piece at a time.
Ramp: So, as we are running 5 colour, we want to ramp and rock efficiently to get our board set ASAP. Chromatic Lantern is good, but I would replace the Pillar of Origins with an Arcane Signet. Its just better and less restrictive. For spells, Farseek, Nature's Lore, Three Visits and Skyshroud Claim all enable you to get land type lands. This will let you get your Breeding Pool or Godless Shrine as it has that land type. This is why shock lands (and to a lesser extent triomes) are so much better. You can even get these with the fetchlands too. Luckily, we also have Gemhide Sliver and Manaweft Sliver to turn all our slivers into our own Birds of Paradise
Slivers: So this is a big list here lol. I'm not going to try and write them all lol. I will say that I would cut several of the ones you have though. I would drop Virulent Sliver and replace with a Triumph of the Hordes. Combat tricks are good. Most of the Megantic Sliver effects I would drop I'm favour of things like Door of Destinies. Crystalline Sliver is great to protect your board a bit. Diffusion Sliver I can't see being relevant in a game of edh, and would rather take interaction like Counterspell etc. I think pairing back the creatures to the key ones is really important. Will free up space for stuff like card draw and interaction. Shifting Sliver is basically unblockable. Defo a good one. Necrotic Sliver means each sliver becomes a Vindicate at the cost of 2 and a sacrifice. Synapse Sliver is good to keep your hand full.
Other cards of note:
So just some good cards to consider.
Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Kindred Discovery card draw is important, The Great Henge your commander makes this cost , Phyrexian Arena again, card draw. Wrath of God, Blasphemous Act or other destroy boardwipes. If your stuff is indestructible, all good. Yawgmoth's Will pricey, but such a good answer if you are boardwiped etc. Patriarch's Bidding you are likely to pay off better than most.
I think that's all I got for now. Please look at other decks with slivers as well to get a good idea of the stuff out there. Hope this is a good start of things to look at
4 months ago
Hey StoryArcher, I like your list. It reminds me of my old Mono-Black devotion deck. Over the years I played many, many games with it, and I learned some tips I would like to share with you. I don’t see the budget tag, so I’m going to give my recommendations regardless of price.
First of all, your mana base needs fetchlands. I run at least 6. This will thin the deck, and in the long run this makes a statistically significant difference on your card draws. You should also run at least 2 Castle Locthwain for additional card draw. A single Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth will help when you don’t want to pop a fetchland to save life. Once you add fetchlands, this raises the question, why not run a Black/X dual land like Godless Shrine that you can fetch if you need? But I’ll get to that later.
Next, the Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx serves no real purpose and you should cut it. It will slow you down when you need the black mana, trust me. In a competitive modern setting, you want to hit every land drop with this deck so you can hit a turn 4 Obliterator or Kalitas. The Shrine slows you down and only helps during the late game.
Next, your mana curve is too high, and all the 3-drops will only slow you down when you need early game plays. 4 Riders are excessive, I would drop 3-4. You could run Gatekeeper of Malakir instead for indirect removal, and Fatal Push or Bloodchief's Thirst for targeted removal. You really need at least 4x 1-drop removal spells mainboard. Erebos is also not as useful as a 4th Obliterator, which should be viewed as the staple of the deck. The Messengers are slow because they enter play tapped. I would prefer the 4th Vampire Nighthawk, or consider Nighthawk Scavenger instead or in addition to the other Nighthawks. Ayara is interesting but ultimately doesn’t further your goal of aggro.
Another option is running 4 Dark Confidants instead of Arena for more card draw, if you reduce the number of high-mana cost cards. This may seem risky, but with all of your life gain, it will balance out and you will gain tremendous card advantage. Arena is too slow for Modern. You might as well run Sign in Blood or Night's Whisper instead for instant draw.
I know it seems counter-intuitive, but the focus on devotion should be secondary. That’s where Gary comes in all on his own. You don’t need Tymaret or Nykthos, which ultimately do not further your goal of aggro.
Like I said earlier, if you run fetchlands, a couple of Godless Shrine, and maybe even Silent Clearing for more draw, you can have access to critical removal like Path to Exile, Rest in Peace, Disenchant\Revoke Existence, etc, without compromising the feel of playing Mono-Black. I came to this point after realizing that I needed support that only White could offer. My version is more control oriented with Liliana of the Veil and takes advantage of the White mana for Lingering Souls. Check it out if you like:
Hope this helps! :)
4 months ago
Hey there! You mention the mana base needing some help in your description, and if you're still looking to work on that, maybe consider some of the following cards! Many may be out of budget, and you could possibly have been aware of them all already, and if that is the case I hope this can be of use to you as a reference!
Since you have the two temples, you may want to include the last one, Temple of Malice. Even though you don't run too many / cards, you still need that colored mana to cast Licia, and so you want a relatively even mana base. Same goes for the last pain land, I'd recommend including Sulfurous Springs since you have the other two. Since you're also gaining a lot of life, and because they are great in general, you may want to take a look at Blood Crypt, Godless Shrine, and Sacred Foundry, (the shock lands) which function very well, especially with the following cards: the fetch lands. Bloodstained Mire, Arid Mesa, and Marsh Flats are some of the best lands in the game! These can search for the shock lands, not just basic lands, allowing you to get any colors you need from just one of them! While that whole set is pretty expensive, it may be something to think about for the future. Now on the cheaper side, there are the wonderful fast lands, Blackcleave Cliffs, Concealed Courtyard, and Inspiring Vantage, which can help you support your early fundamental turns quite well! If you wish to include a lot of basics/shock lands, you may want to think about having the check lands, Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, and Clifftop Retreat, which tend to be great and also lay on the cheaper side. Last but not least, there are the filter lands, Graven Cairns, Fetid Heath, and Rugged Prairie! Now that said, here are some non-dual lands that could really help fix the mana base quite a lot that I would recommend: City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Ancient Tomb, Prismatic Vista, Fabled Passage, Reflecting Pool, Exotic Orchard, Strip Mine, Wasteland, etc.
Now enough about lands! Here are some ramp spells you might like. Land Tax, Arcane Signet, Commander's Sphere, Talisman of Conviction, Talisman of Hierarchy, Talisman of Indulgence, Jet Medallion, Pearl Medallion, Ruby Medallion, Sol Ring, Gift of Estates, Weathered Wayfarer, Chromatic Lantern, etc!
I also have a mardu deck, (A Deal With the Devil EDH ⫸PRIMER⫷), so if you want to check out most of the cards I mentioned on a list, feel free to pop in there! Anyways though, I hope this helps, good luck on your deck, and have a wonderful day! Happy tapping!
5 months ago
You should give Battle Screech a try! In a deck like this you can always do the flashback cost as soon as you cast it, so it's 4 fliers for 4 mana, pretty much an additional and slightly costlier Spectral Procession. It's one of my favorite token cards.
Also, on Caves of Koilos vs Godless Shrine, you're definitely taking less damage from the Shrine most of the time, even with fetchlands (and unlike Caves of Koilos it can be fetched). Koilos is definitely easier on the pockets though.