Creature — Sliver
Sliver creatures you control have "Tap: Add one mana of any colour to your mana pool."
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Manaweft Sliver Discussion
1 month ago
Hey, good start and nice Legion foil pull! Obviously you have to finish the manabase and you should really do that before you make any other changes. That being said here's some Sliver upgrades to consider:
- Manaweft Sliver --> Enduring Sliver
- Quick Sliver --> Scuttling Sliver
- Shifting Sliver --> Lymph Sliver
- Crystalline Sliver --> First Sliver's Chosen
- Winged Sliver --> Reflex Sliver
- Crypt Sliver --> Poultice Sliver
- Bonescythe Sliver --> Bonesplitter Sliver
- Hibernation Sliver --> Cleaving Sliver
- Striking Sliver --> Lancer Sliver
- Sentinel Sliver --> Bladeback Sliver
- Venom Sliver --> Cautery Sliver
- Syphon Sliver --> Watcher Sliver
- Horned Sliver --> Battering Sliver
- Mirror Entity --> Might Sliver
- Realmwalker --> Sidewinder Sliver
Quick is very good with cascade, casting Slivers at instant speed.
What's your budget for the manabase? Would you like some advice on the manabase? Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Ok so the changes i made are-
Out- Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler , Yavimaya Elder , Capricopian , Seedborn Muse , Chromatic Lantern , Darksteel Ingot , Replicating Ring , Gilded Lotus , Opulent Palace , Winged Temple of Orazca
I forgot i wanted Worldly tutor and Parallel Lives in the deck.
Check the new build/stats and gimme yer thoughts.
1 month ago
Seriously though, this looks sweet as hell. The infinite mana angle seems nasty, but not overly pushed, which should lead to good gameplay. Freed from the Real tends to be a surprisingly loud threat and my guess is that it's likely going to be a bit too greedy, especially considering you have fairly limited protection. Pemmin's Aura is good enough because the protection is built-in, and the added evasion will help you close some games. I've also found that cards like this tend to suffer quite a bit to the Chaos Orb s in our meta but YMMV.
The first thing that stood out to me was that you have significantly less interaction than you typically play, and I'd bet that it'll feel a bit uncomfortable having to be so selective with your answers. I'd recommend adding Windgrace's Judgment and Assassin's Trophy to improve your flexible removal, and some number of Erebos's Intervention , Battle at the Bridge , Profane Command , and Black Sun's Zenith to up your creature removal and creature count (Hydra tokens) at the same time. Also, these do really well against indestructible threats (cough Blightsteel Colossus + Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger cough) like gods and such.
You could probably also use another counterspell or two, but if you don't want to lean too hard that direction, that's understandable.
The second main thing I noticed is your mana ramp package—I'd look at it fairly critically and consider your goals. For example, I'd keep all creatures that tap for 2 or more mana ( Bloom Tender , Incubation Druid , Selvala, Heart of the Wilds ) as they give you more paths to going infinite. I'd cut the ones that only make 1 mana ( Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler ) as they tend to be a bit of a liability compared to land fetch spells and you aren't inherently taking advantage of the fact that they are creatures.
I'd also focus on the curve of your mana ramp. I think you should prioritize 2 cost spells like the three on-color signets, and the land fetch spells Nature's Lore , Farseek , Rampant Growth , and Sakura-Tribe Elder . Swapping these for your 3-5 cost mana ramp will give you more chances to cast Zaxara on turn 3 and get the ball rolling on both bigger mana and generating hydras. The way I see it, you could have a signet + Zaxara to use on turn 5 or spend that same turn casting a Gilded Lotus which is the same mana output but a turn slower. Basalt Monolith is the exception here as it goes infinite.
The final thing I'd encourage is to play more land. You really need to always hit Zaxara early for your deck to do it's thing, and maximizing your potential to consistently hit 4 mana on curve is going to pay dividends. At 34 I'd say you're 2-3 short of what I'd recommend for a mana-hungry deck like this, and you're actually at 33 right now because Winged Temple of Orazca starts as a Hadana's Climb Flip and likely shouldn't be counted as a land.
Here are the baseline swaps I'd recommend:
Out - Birds of Paradise - Manaweft Sliver - Leyline Prowler - Yavimaya Elder - Freed from the Real - Capricopian - Seedborn Muse - Chromatic Lantern - Darksteel Ingot - Replicating Ring - Gilded Lotus - Opulent Palace
In + 2 Forest + 1 Island + 1 Swamp + Farseek + Nature's Lore + Sakura-Tribe Elder + Golgari Signet + Simic Signet + Dimir Signet + Profane Command / Erebos's Intervention + Windgrace's Judgment / Assassin's Trophy
These aren't super exciting changes but they'll massively help your initial consistency. I'd play the deck a buch before deciding what swaps would be best beyond this.
Stoked to see the deck in action!
3 months ago
JeanYass, Thank you for your response. Whilst I can see yo reasoning, I must disagree on your analysis. Let me address the points you make:
Training Grounds - I indeed may only have a few targets for Training Grounds to have an impact on. However, one of those is my commander, Sliver Overlord, enabling me to tutor for any Sliver in my deck, for . Also is super good with Sliver Queen, again making each Slivery Baby only cost . Necrotic Sliver is again, gives me the ability to destroy any permanent for and a Sliver Sacrifice. Also, don't forget, Mirror Entity is also a "Sliver". Thats a reduction in that creatures activation straight away. Essentially, Training Grounds enables my deck to "fire off" easier.
Boardwipes - Firstly, boardwipes are kind of a staple of EDH. Sometimes, boardstates get away from you, and you have to reset. Also, with some of the combinations of my boardstates, the effects are way worse for opponents. Sliver Hivelord gives my creatures indestructable. If have a mana producers, such as Manaweft Sliver, Jokulhaups is not as destructive to myself as it is to my opponents, and will leave my enemies mana deprived etc. Blasphemous Act + Spiteful Sliver is a game ender, if I have managed to "go off" and tutor and play all the slivers in my deck (Using Manaweft Sliver/Gemhide Sliver + Intruder Alarm + A haste enabling Sliver) Spiteful Sliver's effect will happen and can kill players off.
The other stackable Slivers - I actually used to run the Slivers you mentioned in the your comment. As my deck mainly wins via combo, not so much combat (although it is perfectly capable of "turning sideways"), taking them out was the best option. the +1/+1 and +0/+1 are kind of incidental, and don't cause a massive swing in advantage. Leeching Sliver i always liked, but it is not super relevant to the deck.
Hope this gives you an explanation as to why I have what I have in my deck. Any questions, just ask
3 months ago
3 months ago
I haven't played MTG Arena, or Paper since late 2019/early 2020. But I stumbled into spoilers for Kaldheim, and I'm a sucker for norse themed stuff. One of the cards that caught my attention was Maskwood Nexus. I also remember building a cheap sliver deck back when M14 was a thing with Manaweft Sliver. So my question here is, is this a reliable combo to run into a dragon tribal? Maybe something with Lathliss, Dragon Queen into lots of little drops? How much of a bastard could I be with this setup?
Or is there just a better tribe to try running than Dragons?
4 months ago
So, let's have a look at the type of things you may want.
Lands: So, I can't afford OG duals really, but have found that shocks and fetches, coupled with the battlebond lands have kind of served me well. Fetches can get pricey, but you by no mean need them all. Having 5 or 6 fetches, all the shock lands (10 to 15 bucks each) and then filling it out with something like the battlebond lands can really sort you out. Cavern of Souls is always good, and can see you have one. Basically, lands coming into play untapped are much better. Quicker access to all that slivery goodness. Personally I would look to change those 3 colour tap lands and things like Rupture Spire piece at a time.
Ramp: So, as we are running 5 colour, we want to ramp and rock efficiently to get our board set ASAP. Chromatic Lantern is good, but I would replace the Pillar of Origins with an Arcane Signet. Its just better and less restrictive. For spells, Farseek, Nature's Lore, Three Visits and Skyshroud Claim all enable you to get land type lands. This will let you get your Breeding Pool or Godless Shrine as it has that land type. This is why shock lands (and to a lesser extent triomes) are so much better. You can even get these with the fetchlands too. Luckily, we also have Gemhide Sliver and Manaweft Sliver to turn all our slivers into our own Birds of Paradise
Slivers: So this is a big list here lol. I'm not going to try and write them all lol. I will say that I would cut several of the ones you have though. I would drop Virulent Sliver and replace with a Triumph of the Hordes. Combat tricks are good. Most of the Megantic Sliver effects I would drop I'm favour of things like Door of Destinies. Crystalline Sliver is great to protect your board a bit. Diffusion Sliver I can't see being relevant in a game of edh, and would rather take interaction like Counterspell etc. I think pairing back the creatures to the key ones is really important. Will free up space for stuff like card draw and interaction. Shifting Sliver is basically unblockable. Defo a good one. Necrotic Sliver means each sliver becomes a Vindicate at the cost of 2 and a sacrifice. Synapse Sliver is good to keep your hand full.
Other cards of note:
So just some good cards to consider.
Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Kindred Discovery card draw is important, The Great Henge your commander makes this cost , Phyrexian Arena again, card draw. Wrath of God, Blasphemous Act or other destroy boardwipes. If your stuff is indestructible, all good. Yawgmoth's Will pricey, but such a good answer if you are boardwiped etc. Patriarch's Bidding you are likely to pay off better than most.
I think that's all I got for now. Please look at other decks with slivers as well to get a good idea of the stuff out there. Hope this is a good start of things to look at
4 months ago
Hey, nice work in progress on a budget.
I'll give some card suggestions only for Slivers and lands and if you would like additional help with other cards than I offer more help in another comment.
Some cards to consider adding:
- Manaweft Sliver: another mana Sliver.
- Cloudshredder Sliver: flying and haste.
- Harmonic Sliver: repeatable artifact or enchantment removal.
- Shifting Sliver: make all Slivers you control unblockable.
- Amoeboid Changeling: combine with Overload to permanently gain control of opponents creatures.
- Quick Sliver: cast Slivers at instant speed which is nice with Overload who can tutor for Silvers at instant speed.
- Mirror Entity: pump all Slivers to huge power/toughness for big attacks.
- Striking Sliver: first strike.
- Crypt Sliver: board wipe protection for all Slivers since regenerating a Sliver protects it from most board wipes.
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Guildmages' Forum
- Cinder Glade
- Sunken Hollow
- Canopy Vista
- Prairie Stream
- Smoldering Marsh
- 5x more basic lands (1x of each)
Changeling are Slivers even when the card is in your hand, library or graveyard. Amoeboid Changeling can change an opponent's creature into a Sliver and then you can gain control of that creature with Overload. Overload's ability to gain control a creature doesn't end at end of turn therefore you gain permanent control of opponent's creature. Mirror Entity is another changeling and it's ability can change all creatures you control power/toughness equal to the amount of mana you pay. This can result in huge attacks with high powered Slivers. Combine Entity with Manaweft Sliver and Sentinel Sliver after attacking while in combat tap each Sliver you control to make mana to pay into Entity.
Command Tower is a staple land in Commander for decks that are two or more colors, it's especially good with five colors. Path of Ancestry can be helpful with repeatable scry when you cast a Sliver with mana from it. Cinder Glade, Sunken Hollow, Canopy Vista, Prairie Stream, Smoldering Marsh are called Battle lands and they have good interaction with basic lands to ETB untapped. These dual lands are also two different land types which makes land ramp spells such as Farseek better since it can search for and ramp with a Battle land.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Spitting Sliver
- Synchronous Sliver
- Lymph Sliver
- First Sliver's Chosen
- Reflex Sliver
- Sliver Construct
- Metallic Sliver
- Bladeback Sliver
- Enduring Sliver
- Frenzy Sliver
- Spined Sliver
- Poultice Sliver
- Rupture Spire
- Bloodfell Caves
- Blossoming Sands
- Dismal Backwater
- Jungle Hollow
- Rugged Highlands
- Scoured Barrens
- Swiftwater Cliffs
- Thornwood Falls
- Tranquil Cove
- Wind-Scarred Crag
- Unknown Shores
- Cave of Temptation
If interested I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.