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3 weeks ago
Hey, nice version so far for well under $100.
40 lands is a lot, consider cutting some for some more low mana cost ramp for five colors to help gameplay?
- Manaweft Sliver --> Cabaretti Courtyard
- Sol Ring --> Traveler's Amulet
- Fellwar Stone --> Obscura Storefront
- Commander's Sphere --> Maestros Theater
- Unclaimed Territory --> 1x Forest
Unclaimed Territory is a helpful land when playing so many different colored Slivers and it enters the battlefield untapped.
- Yavimaya Coast --> 1x Forest
- Shivan Reef --> 1x Mountain
- Karplusan Forest --> 1x Forest
- Caves of Koilos --> 1x Plains
- Adarkar Wastes --> 1x Plains
- Sulfurous Springs --> 1x Mountain
Some of the Pain lands got reprinted in the newest set Dominaria United and those lands are down to $2 or less each right now. Pain lands enter the battlefield untapped to make colorless or colored mana to speed up gameplay. By replacing some basic lands with more dual lands that can enter the battlefield untapped that can make the color of the basic land it replaced or another color this can improve gameplay as well as color fixing.
- Farseek --> Rampant Growth
- Cinder Glade --> 1x Forest
- Canopy Vista --> 1x Plains
- Sunken Hollow --> 1x Island
The Tango lands are other budget lands that care about basic lands. These lands are good with Farseek, land ramp that can better color fix.
After these land changes, example upgraded budget 36 land five color manabase (20 G, 17 W, 17 R, 15 U, 14 B):
- 4x Forest
- 4x Plains
- 3x Mountain
- 2x Swamp
- 1x Island
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Evolving Wilds
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Frontier Bivouac
- Jungle Shrine
- Mystic Monastery
- Opulent Palace
- Sandsteppe Citadel
- Savage Lands
- Seaside Citadel
- Yavimaya Coast
- Shivan Reef
- Karplusan Forest
- Caves of Koilos
- Adarkar Wastes
- Sulfurous Springs
- Cinder Glade
- Canopy Vista
- Sunken Hollow
This advice was just about improving the manabase and ramp, if you're interested I offer more advice on other areas. Would you like more advice?
Good luck with your deck.
3 weeks ago
Hey, on a budget really well done for your first Dragon tribal deck. On low budget you have good card sense and deck building skills.
There's many excellent Dragons here, but some stand out as subpar, not needed.
- Fellwar Stone --> Scaled Nurturer
- Fierce Empath --> Skanos Dragonheart
- Eternal Witness --> Earthquake Dragon
- Dryad's Revival --> Sapphire Dragon
Scaled Nurturer is lackluster ramp because only green mana and the mana can only be used to cast a Dragon. Can do much better for two drop ramp. Fierce Empath is another budget creature tutor to get a Dragon.
There's one area of deck building that you've left out, recursion and green is the best color for it because it's recursion of any card such as Eternal Witness. In multiplayer Commander your stuff is going to be destroyed a lot having some card recursion can help to get back certain cards that are important to gameplay such as Temur Ascendancy. Witness and Empath can be blinked to be repeatable.
Sarkhan the Masterless is less impactful here for five mana then if you're playing more Planeswalkers or a Commander Planeswalker. Bower Passage can help Dragons to wreck your opponents. For two mana it makes them essentially unblockable. It can stop annoying little Spirits from being blockers against Dragons.
Court of Bounty can be repeatable draw with the monarch and then repeatable cheat Dragon or cheat land from your hand. Dragons don't really need +3/+3 from Crucible of Fire for four mana since they're already high power/toughness and flying makes them good attackers.
- Yavimaya Coast --> Thornwood Falls
- Shivan Reef --> 1x Mountain
- Karplusan Forest --> 1x Mountain
- Mosswort Bridge --> 1x Forest
- Game Trail --> 1x Mountain
- Vineglimmer Snarl --> 1x Mountain
12x basic Mountains is a lot compared to the other numbers of basic lands. Replacing some basic Mountains with more dual lands could improve color fixing from lands to help gameplay. Yavimaya Coast, Shivan Reef, Karplusan Forest Pain lands have just been reprinted in newest set Dominaria United, get them while they're $2 or less each.
Good luck with your deck.
3 weeks ago
Hey, for being new to Magic well done upgrading the precon on a budget having a good amount of cards in each area of deck building (lands, ramp, draw, removal).
What makes Vrondiss, Rage of Ancients a scary Commander is when he has indestructible. Then he can take an infinite amount of damage and each instance of damage he takes creates a Dragon.
- Anara, Wolvid Familiar
- Roar of Challenge
- Tamiyo's Safekeeping
- Withstand Death
- You Look Upon the Tarrasque
- Tyrite Sanctum
Anara, Wolvid Familiar is a budget repeatable source of indestructible for Vronn as long as it's your turn. Roar of Challenge and You Look Upon the Tarrasque forces all defending player's creatures to block Vronn who's indestructible. Each creature who blocks does damage to Vronn which is one instance of damage to create a Dragon. This effect creates Dragons equal to the number of creatures who an opponent controls who blocked. Tamiyo's Safekeeping can also protect Vronn from targeted opponent's removal with hexproof.
If Vronn is indestructible then there's a wincon combo here to create infinite Dragons which is infinite damage to each opponent.
When Vronn creates a Dragon then Scourge does damage to an opponent, then Tempest/Outpost/Surge/Ancients does damage to Vronn or vice versa and repeat.
Some budget lands to consider replacing some basic lands:
Good luck with your deck.
3 weeks ago
Goblinking81 It's a card with high mana value for discarding to Nahiri's Wrath, an it can come in untapped too. Now that Gruul has the painland Karplusan Forest in Pioneer that will also be an option in the mana base.
4 months ago
How not to love cats and dogs?
If so, it is worth investing in an Unbreakable Formation and Heroic Intervention (which is also on flavour with Ajani), since the last thing you want is for all your furry friends and tokens to die to removal or even worse boardwipe.
Speaking of boardwipes, I see why you included Hour of Reckoning, but be careful as it would also hit a lot of the other creature I expect you to have on the board. An Austere Command should allow you to save more of your own board.
As for mana-base, I would advise to get rid of bad taplands like the guildgates, 0Tranquil Expanse and Blossiming Sands. I am not the biggest fan of bounce-lands in deck that cannot make the best use of them with either landfall or untap effects, but that's up to you. As a budget replacement, painlands (Karplusan Forest, Brushland, Battlefield Forge) could be helpful, and you have lifelink effects available so the downside is minimal. A Naya Panorama can help you with generich mana straight away or to fetch the basics you need.
6 months ago
Temple of Abandon, Temple of Plenty, Temple of Triumph, Brushland, Battlefield Forge, Karplusan Forest, Cragcrown Pathway Flip, Needleverge Pathway Flip, Branchloft Pathway Flip could all fit into your manabase. I know you have a budget of about $5 per card, and i believe most of them other then Brushland are at or below that range.
I can see how heavily your deck is weighted toward green, but my instinct is that you have a lot of enter tapped lands that don't do anything when they enter tapped. Temples could at least provide 2 colors and scry you a card, but things like Grasslands don't thin out your deck enough to be worth losing a turn.
My recommendation is to cut 3 forests, Grasslands, Mountain Valley, Aether Hub, Alpine Meadow, Arctic Treeline, Highland Forest for the 3 temples, 3 pain and 3 pathways. With new caperna dropping, you can also cut a forest for Jetmir's Garden when its released.
Apologies for the wall of text, I hope it helps.
7 months ago
Hey, m4rs, I'm back with some spicy tech for your deck, this time regarding the big tokens themselves:
My suggestion, whenever possible, is to run creatures over other spell types for the same effect: they synergize better with your deck, despite being more vulnerable to boardwipes. (It makes you more explosive, which is better the higher you go on power level).
Have you considered Quartzwood Crasher? It is already a trampling beater that gives you even bigger trampling beaters.
Overwhelming Stampede is great when you have a 5+ power creature on the board. Unfortunately it doesn't apply to the tokens created thereafter.
Delina, Wild Mage can copy your legendary creatures as non-legendary, just for Ghired to copy them even further. (Throw in Parallel Lives in the mix and we're salivating already.) Maybe you're lucky enough and roll 15+ three times in a row?
Harmonic Prodigy and Wulfgar of Icewind Dale double your Ghired triggers. The former can be cloned for extra spice and the latter also works with Etali, Primal Storm, Aurelia, the Warleader and Combat Celebrant. (Too bad Isshin, Two Heavens as One is black :-/)
If you're relying a lot on "when-something-enters-the-battlefield" effects, Panharmonicon might be a good friend to you.
In that matter, Hofri Ghostforge gives all your creatures a second life should your opponents dare removing them. (I played against him, and it is ANNOYING to have to kill things twice to get rid of them.) The bright side is that the exiled cards come back to the graveyard after they LEAVE the battlefield for any reason, so you can recur them.
Iroas, God of Victory gives evasion to your creatures while protecting them from blockers.
Marisi, Breaker of the Coil should maybe return to the deck if you're afraid of being attacked when going all-in, since you removed Intangible Virtue. It also has the neat bonus of your opponents having to answer before you declare who you're attacking. (I know it doesn't scream "token" off its textbox, but it is a repeatable Disrupt Decorum effect which clears the board for your next attack).
I believe Selesnya Eulogist might be swapped out for Scavenging Ooze or the recently spoiled Lion Sash. Despite not populating, they exile any card and are cheaper mana-wise. The Sash can also be equipped to a creature to buff a creature and avoid creature wipes.
Since you run the Moxen, Gemstone Caverns fills the same role of exchanging cards for tempo, while being a land. (You can always choose to not go first if you win the dice roll.)
Now, as always, I want to suggest some removals:
I love Mimic Vat in battlecruiser games, but it doesn't pull the same weight on quick games. (It hurts to write it, but my beloved Soul Foundry might also only belong to Christmasland, since, if you don't have the mana to cast AND copy the creature right away, your opponents might see the danger incoming and remove the artifact before you get any value off it.)
Tendershoot Dryad might not belong here, since Ghired cares about quality, not exactly quantity of the tokens.
Esika's Chariot. I understand it already comes with its tokens for crewing, but getting a token copy of TOKEN creatures AFTER combat is too narrow for my taste (and you don't have noncreature tokens). Again, Rionya and Delina are better suited for this job.
Sword of Hearth and Home is good protection stapled to decent blink and ramp effects, but the ramp comes too late for Ghired to care, the blink is unreliable and the protection can be better executed by Shalai, Voice of Plenty, Saryth, the Viper's Fang (trample + deathtouch is nasty), Privileged Position or Asceticism.
What are your experiences with Warstorm Surge? I usually leave it out of my deck if I have access to Terror of the Peaks, since 6 mana is a lot in my games and the Terror is tutorable by cards you already run.
8 months ago
Hey! Kinda late, but I would like to suggest some stuff:
(Disclaimer: I have a budget way lower than yours, but I've been tinkering with Ghired for almost two years - he's my favorite commander. I'll break the suggested upgrades down into categories for better organization.)
- You need them for Ghired and his tokens to attack right away, as well as to use your creatures with tap abilities on demand. Please consider Hammer of Purphoros in addition to Lightning Greaves and Fires of Yavimaya. The Hammer can even create tokens if needed.
Ramp: Run at least 15 ramp cards to make your deck flow smoother and faster.
As an aggressive deck, speed is fundamental. Fellwar Stone, Nature's Lore, Three Visits, Skyshroud Elf, Bloom Tender, Faeburrow Elder, Chromatic Lantern, Coalition Relic, Wood Elves, Skyshroud Claim and Mirari's Wake can ramp and heavily fix your mana, taking the place of Gyre Sage, Solemn Simulacrum, Rampant Growth, Sakura-Tribe Elder and Xenagos, the Reveler - the latter is a win-more ramp, and his 2/2 token is not large enough to synergize with the power-based card draw, while the other four fix for a single color of mana (Ghired decks can sometimes be color-hungry), and this deck can't abuse the sad robot for value.
In the land department, Krosan Verge and Blighted Woodland pull their weight, and synergize greatly with Avenger of Zendikar and Rampaging Baloths. Maybe remove Cascading Cataracts? (Your spells are not THAT color hungry.)
Have you considered Warstorm Surge and Terror of the Peaks as a mean to do damage even before attacking? The dragon can even be cloned with Flamerush Rider, Flameshadow Conjuring and Soul Foundry for extra copies of the same effect (the game ends quiiiickly after that). I'd remove Dragonmaster Outcast for that, since its effect is slow (albeit amazing if he lasts on the field).
Extra combats: You don't have to worry about your opponents' answers if they never get to their turn, so...
- Moraug, Fury of Akoum, Aurelia, the Warleader, Combat Celebrant, Scourge of the Throne (I believe there is an infinite combo involving those two), Savage Beating, Response / Resurgence, Breath of Fury (always attach it to your disposable tokens to keep attacking).
Winds of Abandon might replace Hour of Reckoning. I don't really like to lose Ghired on a boardwipe, since he costs 7 mana to recast. Winds of Abandon also works as evasion for your creatures, since your opponents won't have creatures to block. As for the ramp it offers, an opponent can't do anything with the extra lands if he/she's dead, right? :-)
Card draw: Alongside ramp, it is my main concern with Ghired. I want to be able to rebuild my board after a boardwipe.
I believe that Camaraderie can be substituted for Shamanic Revelation as the latter cost less mana. Mouth / Feed is another option that creates its own big token. Return of the Wildspeaker can either draw cards or buff creatures for an alpha strike.
Keeper of Fables triggers all other power-based card draw, while giving easy draw triggers to all your trampling creatures. Elder Gargaroth is a buffed, more versatile version of it. And remember: both can be cloned for extra juicy draw or extra tokens.
Sylvan Library is an overall great card filter for your regular draws. It gets better with shufflers like fetchlands and tutors.
Since your deck is focused on attacking and getting extra combat steps, Etali, Primal Storm might be a fun way to play your opponents' cards while lowering their life points.
Some cards I suggest you to remove:
- Sundering Growth: you already have enough flexible removal. You will almost never be in a situation in which the token to copy and the artifact/enchantment to remove are optimal choices. Since you're running Eladamri's Call, Reclamation Sage might be worth including (and cloned for the enjoyment of your friends).
- Starnheim Unleashed: one token is too little for a whole card slot in the deck. If you're foretelling, it costs a lot of mana to be worthwhile. The game might be over before that.
- Growing Ranks: waiting a whole rotation to get a token which does not even have haste is not ideal.
- Ghired's Belligerence, Full Flowering: good for a late game play, mostly dead until then. I like those, but I removed them in favor of more mid-game cards, since I might not last until 9+ mana.
- Trostani, Selesnya's Voice: while on-theme, it does little to advance your win condition.
- Thunderfoot Baloth: not an amazing buff. Your creatures are big already, and Garruk's Uprising takes care of the evasion.
- Feldon of the Third Path: all-star when there is a lot of graveyard filling - there is none in this deck. (I really tried to keep him on my deck because I like the card, but most of the time there was no creature in my graveyard.)
- Eldrazi Displacer: are you using it for a combo? I couldn't identify it.
Some cool lands for you to try out: (landbase is my favorite part of deckbuilding)
- Castle Garenbrig: how easily do you have access to a Forest for it to be worth including in your deck?
- Rogue's Passage: can sometimes help you to finish an opponent.
- Scavenger Grounds: if you face graveyard-centric decks (you don't seem to use your graveyard much).
- Hanweir Battlements Meld: another haste enabler.
- Gargoyle Castle: sometimes you need a flying token. (I rarely use it, but I like to have the option.)
- Gemstone Caverns: a turn-0 ramp when the first turn is not yours.
- Bonders' Enclave: card draw on a land (easily accessible).
- Mana Confluence, Battlefield Forge, Karplusan Forest, Brushland, Horizon Canopy, Sunbaked Canyon, Prismatic Vista, Cragcrown Pathway Flip, Branchloft Pathway Flip, Needleverge Pathway Flip: more untapped dual lands.
I hope I've been of some help to you. I didn't suggest many token-related cards because I believe that, as long as you have decent ramp, draw and removal in your deck, you can win to your heart's content. Wanna throw in a Godsire? Do it. Prefer to clone your opponents' creatures with Hate Mirage? Go ahead. But the fundamentals of the deck is what makes it flow consistently. Have fun and smash 'em all (and run Doubling Season for extra fun) ;-)