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Bant Panorama
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, : Sacrifice this: Search your library for a basic Forest, Plains, or Island card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library.
DreadKhan on
Ur-Dragon (Recs. Needed)
6 days ago
I'll give you a few tips from my limited experience with 5 Colour decks and how they achieve their mana requirements.
My first point is that combining the Bounce Guild lands with numerous ETB tapped lands will feel incredibly bad, I would definitely throw in more untapped lands if you're going to use that many Bounce lands. I love the Bounce lands, but they should be played mostly with other lands that ETB untapped, like Basic lands, bouncing an ETB tapped land is not fun in my experience.
I would encourage you to lean into Green ramp, there is lots of it that's very good, including options that find dual lands that have Basic types (or even Triomes if your budget permits, but there are budget fetchable duals out there). To make that Green ramp work you probably would want more Forests because a Forest and ramp spell can fix your mana for you.
Another thing I noticed that helps 5 Colour decks is the fact that you can use budget fetchlands of all sorts. The worst of my favourite 3 is Myriad Landscape, followed by Blighted Woodland and Krosan Verge. Krosan Verge can technically find all 5 colours by itself if you use Triomes, because it can find non-Basics, but there is also Murmuring Bosk to help. In addition to these types of fetchlands, you might find some use for the old Panorama cycle from Alara, Esper Panorama, Jund Panorama, Bant Panorama, Grixis Panorama, and Naya Panorama. None of those are truly great cards, but in a pinch they both enter untapped while eventually offering good fixing. A nice perk to using more Basics is that you are better at enduring non-Basic hate, not sure if people use stuff like that in your area.
Their is the odd good land worth looking at if you want budget mana fixing, the pain lands Sulfurous Springs or Adarkar Wastes are very strong fixing options that are relatively cheap, people use these in budget cEDH builds, they're perfect if you want good non-Basics for a low price, the Enemy pair from that cycle (Shivan Reef and Caves of Koilos are generally quite cheap, the Ally pairs are pricy). There is also the odd land like Exotic Orchard that can fix pretty well, but most 5 colour lands that enter untapped are pricey.
My final suggestion is that I found it helpful to run more ramp than usual in my 5 Colour decks, as well as more lands total. My 5 Colour Sisay deck has 39 lands and iirc over 20 ramp spells/effects (some work as combo pieces), and my Reaper King deck has 38 lands and around 15 ramp sources. It's a big hassle to get 5 colours consistently, but if you straight up run extra lands and ramp it becomes much easier.
A few more general pointers, I noticed you don't have Crux of Fate in here, it's usually pretty good in a Dragon deck. You also might like Stinging Study as a big draw spell. It's usually not as good as Stinging Study, but Imposing Grandeur also exists. Bring to Light and Wargate are two pretty strong tutors, perfect if you want to power your deck up a bit.
DreadKhan on
Fear of The Deep
6 months ago
Here are a few ideas, maybe something will work for you?
One of my favorite cards in Tatyova is Oboro Breezecaller, this can easily be made mana positive, which makes it very easy to go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm, or to just make mana for you (it helps if you can untap a land that taps for 2, be it Temple of the False God, Guildless Commons, Simic Growth Chamber, or Jungle Basin there are better lands but these untap fine. Another old favorite of mine is Soratami Mirror-Mage, this is also mana neutral at worst (1 mana per land to bounce), and you get to bounce a creature via it. For a bit more money (but you require Islands), you could try Flooded Shoreline, this card is bonkers if you can replay lands/count on hitting 2 Islands. Finally, Tatyova probably shouldn't leave home without Gush, even without Mystic Sanctuary shenanigans it's still a very strong draw spell.
I could be wrong, but I feel like Gretchen Titchwillow is a better card than Zimone? Both are decent fits, but it's very hard to combo off with Zimone in my experience as the lands enter tapped, Gretchen lets you use spare mana to ramp/draw cards at the same time. I think you could easily justify both if you wanted.
At the moment Crop Rotation is pretty cheap, it's a very good card in Tatyova, if you replace a land with a 2 mana land like Temple of the False God you actually ramp yourself (right away with Temple).
Stone-Seeder Hierophant is a really good version of Lotus Cobra if you have lands that tap for more than 1, but it's also another budget Lotus Cobra either way. This card is much better on a higher budget (with stuff like Ashaya, Soul of the Wild especially, or Lotus Field/Lotus Vale), but it should do work here too.
A few more budget fetchlands you could run include Bant Panorama, Terminal Moraine, and Warped Landscape, any of these enters untapped and can find whatever land you want if you have nothing better to do with your resources.
If you've got a lot of lands (and tend to put out some tokens, but not an infinite number), The Great Aurora offers a weird-but-useful board wipe option. As long as you've got a decent board (and run more lands), you'll get enough lands that you aren't hurt very much, spikier decks that are thin on lands get hurt badly, while decks with too many tokens just draw themselves to death.
As Tatyova decks tend to have a fair bit of mana, you might look at Curse of the Swine, and/or Mass Manipulation. Another bigger mana card that can do a huge amount of stuff (almost anything you need really) is Primal Command, I use that and Elixir of Immortality to recycle my graveyard, but I tend to end up in infinite loops pretty easily, so YMMV without strong discard outlets like Mind Over Matter.
If you want a high budget card that has ridiculous synergy, you might take a look at the aforementioned Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, this makes all your creatures into lands, meaning any non-token creature that ETBs will draw you a card, but it also forms various combos. It's hard to find a card that Tatyova wants more in my experience.
It was mentioned already, but 40 lands isn't exactly a ton in Tatyova, you've also got a lot of creatures that benefit from having extra lands in hand. At 40 lands you are at a real risk of missing your 5th land drop, let alone your 6th to draw a card. I run 45, and I often feel like I should run more (keep in mind, at 45 lands you still only 'expect' to have 3.2 lands, so if you have even 1 less than normal you almost certainly have to mulligan, 40 means even more mulligans). In my experience, many ramp spells that normally are worthwhile just aren't in Tatyova when you could just run a land instead (and not have to pay mana for your land drop).
Max_Hammer on
Shorikai go vroom
10 months ago
So, right now, Commander included, you've got 126 cards. Seeing as you're only 26 over the cap, this shouldn't be too bad.
You might also want to include more fetch lands, too. Flooded Strand, Fabled Passage, and Flood Plain all come with a pretty high price tag, but they're all good.
On the other side of the coin, Brokers Hideout, Obscura Storefront, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Myriad Landscape, Esper Panorama, and Bant Panorama are all cheaper fetch lands that you could use.
Drawing mana late game can be a dead draw a lot of the time, so being able to remove that excess from your deck can be a really nice tool to have, so you can draw just what you want. Maybe take out cards that are fast, but not necessary such as, Skycloud Expanse, Sea of Clouds, Mishra's Factory, and Crawling Barrens.
Potential Land List Show
Changing it to this (or a list of just 35 mana), should bring us down to 122 cards.
118 left.
For the rest, I’d say Ondu Inversion Flip, Access Denied, Tezzeret the Seeker, Tezzeret, Artifice Master, Phyrexian Metamorph, Cultivator's Caravan, Invoke Justice, and An Offer You Can't Refuse, all mostly because they’re too expensive.
That leaves you with 109
Okay, so, this decklist is surprisingly tight for being 30~ cards over and I don’t know where to kick the last 9 off. Maybe Artificer Class? Maybe some of the creatures/vehicles? Idunno, good luck.
multimedia on I want this deck to …
10 months ago
Hey, this is by far your best deck of the decks you've asked for help on. There's good deck building with a purpose.
The area that needs improvement is the manabase. 16x basic Plains is not going to cut it compared to many less Forests and Islands. The color pie of your deck shows primary white, but it's deceiving since you want a more balanced amount of land sources for each color to consistently cast Arcades. I say consistently because you need to control Arcades or most of your defenders are really not worth it.
Because you're playing green defenders who ramp and green ramp spells then it's important to have green mana more than the other colors in the early game, this isn't shown by the color pie. White and green are the two most important colors then blue. The majority of blue sources should come from dual lands that way the land can make another color except just blue. 8 sources of blue is not enough sources, you want more sources of blue which at the same time will increase sources of each other color.
On a low budget to balance the manabase for equal color fixing play some more always ETB tapped lands. This can unfortunately slow the game down some which means you want to make up for it with card quality.
- Yavimaya Coast --> 1x Plains
- Adarkar Wastes --> 1x Plains
- Fortified Village --> 1x Plains
- Port Town --> 1x Plains
- Vineglimmer Snarl --> 1x Forest
- Bant Panorama --> 1x Plains
- Path of Ancestry --> 1x Plains
- Krosan Verge --> Myriad Landscape
- Tangled Islet --> 1x Forest
Why are you playing so many cards that give you hexproof? Leyline of Sanctity and Shalai, Voice of Plenty are second and third most expensive price cards, but they don't help the strategy or have really any interaction with Arcades. If playing Leyline and Shalai then Ivory Mask and Aegis of the Gods aren't needed. Teyo, the Shieldmage is fine since it at least does something else, creating up to two defenders for draw with Arcades. Honestly, keep Shalai for this effect plus other effects and cut the others?
multimedia on
Phantom Premonition Customizations
1 year ago
Hey, well done so far upgrading the precon on a budget.
Some cards from the precon to consider adding.
Windfall is a powerful draw spell in multiplayer Commander where opponents can have huge hands of cards. Empty your hand of spells quick then Windfall to draw a whole new hand. Ghostly Flicker is one of the better instant blink spells since it can target two permanents not just a creature. Ghostly Prison can be a helpful effect to have in multiplayer Commander.
I don't think many of the Spirit anthem effects are needed. Some anthems are helpful, since Ranar is a Spirit cards that give him other abilities such as hexproof or flash, but cards that only increase power/toughness are subpar. Coat of Arms is the exception, no other little anthem effect can compare to it.
You're best game plan is to create infinite Spirits on an opponent's turn and then attack with them on your next turn. Infinite Spirits don't need an anthem to be a wincon. Infinite attacking Spirits are however shut down by opponent's Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Windborn Muse, etc. thus it's important to have consistent removal for these cards. Cutting most of the anthems for more repeatable draw could help gameplay. Consider more repeatable draw options when you create a 1/1 Spirit?
Palace Jailer is powerful with blink, it's a unique card that makes you the monarch when it ETB, you draw a card at your end step and it's repeatable as long as you are the monarch. Only one player in the game can be the monarch at one time and it can change players.
If an opponent does combat damage to you or plays a card that makes them the monarch then that opponent becomes the monarch and you lose the monarch. You can get the monarch back by doing combat damage to the opponent who's the monarch. Flying Spirit tokens are fine fodder for blocking and flying makes them good attackers. Use Spirits as defense to keep the monarch for repeatable draw?
Jailer also does something else when it ETB, exiles an opponent's creature and the only way for opponents to get back their exiled creatures is if you lose the monarch. Each time Jailer is blinked you get to exile an opponent creature.
Skyclave Apparition is a Spirit and is another powerful blink target since it exiles any opponent nonland permanent 4 CMC or less which covers a huge amount of targets in multiplayer Commander. It's a good way with the strategy of blink to get rid of Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Windborn Muse, etc.
Like with all precons the manabase is subpar and it's going to be difficult on a low budget to make many land upgrades, but here's some lands to consider.
Good luck with your deck.
DreadKhan on
Gretchen Titchwillow counter-ramp
1 year ago
I could be wrong, but I think more lands would be an asset here, in particular how about some utility lands on top of what you've already got? War Room is a nice draw effect, if you can bounce and replay it you get access to extra activations. Bant Panorama can find either a Forest or Island and counts for extra landfall. Blighted Woodland and Myriad Landscape are nifty lands that offer another mana sink you can turn to if your Commander is removed. Castle Vantress is a pretty big mana sink that's never bad to have around, and you're likely to have Islands out.
Tatyova, Benthic Druid nets you extra draw when you hit landfall (as does Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait), stuff like Scute Swarm and Rampaging Baloths can make an army for you to help serve as a win con.
This is pretty out there, but stuff like Oboro Breezecaller and ramp on landfall creatures like Stone-Seeder Hierophant in particular can generate enough mana to go infinite with Gretchen if you have a land that taps for 2 or more out, infinite mana and card draw and ramp sounds really good to me, you might even deck yourself. Flooded Shoreline in particular seems like a nice land bounce effect, as long as you're not particular about the specific land you bounce, it even works with Mystic Sanctuary.
eliakimras on
Obuun big lands
1 year ago
If you're still upgrading this deck, you might consider some more fetch lands to increase your landfall triggers: Bant Panorama, Jund Panorama, Cabaretti Courtyard, Brokers Hideout, Riveteers Overlook, Mountain Valley, Grasslands.
DemMeowsephs on
First Is The Best! (An EDH First Sliver Deck)
1 year ago
Hey there! Not sure how your mana-base is faring, but here are a few suggestions, as manabases in a five color deck can be very difficult.
Tri-Lands
Run all of the tri lands! I hate tap lands, trust me, but with the first sliver at the head I'm willing to bet you want him out as fast as possible. You're running most of them, but I'd recommend getting your hands on the others: Arcane Sanctum, Jungle Shrine, Nomad Outpost, and Sandsteppe Citadel.
Of course, the Ikora triomes would be awesome, but they can be a bit much per land if you have a smaller budget. For reference, here they are: Savai Triome, Ketria Triome, Indatha Triome, Raugrin Triome, Zagoth Triome.
Not sure how you feel about these, but something else to consider would be the 5 panoramas from wherever it was they were first printed. Having that choice of fetch without spending money on the big fetches can be a really big asset in many games: Naya Panorama, Jund Panorama, Grixis Panorama, Esper Panorama, and Bant Panorama.
Semi-Expensive Side
I'm sure you're aware of these, but in case you aren't, there are of course the expensive duals and fetch lands. The fetches (like for example, Bloodstained Mire) are incredibly powerful. They give you the power of choice between yes, the two colors, but beyond that virtually any color you wanted if you ran all the shock lands (like Stomping Ground). If you drew that Bloodstained Mire and needed a green, you could fetch Stomping Ground and boom, you have it. Of course, that is quite a lot of money, but if you weren't aware of them, it's a good thing to keep in mind. On a side note, the fetches are even more extremely powerful as they go to your graveyard, allowing you to recur them (with say, Ramunap Excavator) and get tons of landfall triggers per turn.
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There's also Prismatic Vista and Fabled Passage, two also possibly out of budget but good cards that are great fetches as well.
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Some others are ones that add any color- like these are probably by far the best. Here's some that come to my mind. Ancient Ziggurat, City of Brass, Mana Confluence. Cascading Cataracts/Crystal Quarry are also definitely worth it for the big ol Sliver.
Ramp
You don't seem to have too much ramp in the deck besides the 3 green guys and a bit of Artifact ramp. Not sure how much you need more, but some I'd recommend are Fellwar Stone, Ornithopter of Paradise, Three Visits/Nature's Lore if you add the shock lands (like Stomping Ground, etc., then you can use these to find any color), Noble Hierarch, Ignoble Hierarch, Bloom Tender (adds one of each when big sliver is out!!), Birds of Paradise, definitely Arcane Signet, Sylvan Caryatid, etc. The dorks aren't slivers, but they are really really crucial in adding any color. It is a bit much of green though, which is probably not something you want to do, so maybe pick and choose wisely- especially if you replace the green ones I mentioned before (maybe not all of them). Let me know if you'd like some more of these kinds of ramp suggestions.
Anyways, I've got some stuff to do so I'll leave it at that for now- I'm not gonna read through this so sorry for any grammar errors too. Hope some of this is helpful, and insightful. Feel free to check out some of my decks (main one is Double Trouble EDH ⫸PRIMER⫷), and let me know if you have any questions or want some help. Best of luck with your deck, and have a wonderful evening.
edit: most of the slivers and all look good there's a couple things I'd swap no biggies, small things like maybe consider Kindred Discovery or Toski if you like Bident of Thassa) but that looks all good!
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