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Skycloud Expanse Discussion
3 months ago
Would rather just remove the creature than Armament of Nyx
There are better lands than guildgates that are still cheap (like life lands)
Leonin Sun Standard is ok, but I'm not a huge fan.
Removal: Bant Charm Treva's CharmArmy of Allah is meh. Misthollow Griffin is too costly. Hovermyr won't block too much with 2 toughness, so vigilance isn't too great, making 2 mana cost, too much. Aven Sunstriker cost too much for its power.
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7 months ago
Jeffjames, since each one of them can find Hallowed Fountain, Irrigated Farmland, and Prairie Stream, they each work as dual lands. Even after all those are gone, they can still get basics, but you might be wondering why the lifeloss could be worth it. Each of them can be used to have or on turn one (with Hallowed Fountain). Mystic Gate, Skycloud Expanse, and Nimbus Maze, the three lands you suggested as replacements, all lack that important ability. That is the main reason, but there are other reasons, such as being able to shuffle cards that I don't want on top of my library after activating Sensei's Divining Top or making Weathered Wayfarer see one less land.
I hope this clarifies why I wholeheartedly believe that fetchlands are the second best type of colorfixing land, especially in a deck like this one.
10 months ago
A couple of budget lands I would recommend adding to your deck are Terramorphic Expanse,Temple of Enlightenment, Azorius Chancery, Temple of the False God, Adarkar Wastes, Skycloud Expanse, and Rogue's Passage
1 year ago
Dredge4life, I'm going to give a breakdown of what I would do with this deck if I wanted to add an additional $200-$220 like what you're doing at Breya, Combo Carapace. Hopefully this gives you some ideas.
The key areas of interest for improvement here are the ability to tutor for combo pieces, the manabase and the creature base. Making all these areas better will dramatically help this deck. Additional costs broken down like this:
- $60-$70 to improve the manabase.
- $140+ to improve combo with tutors as well as adding other strong combo pieces and additional card upgrades, especially to the creature base.
Making the manabase better would be my first step; using an entire land base that doesn't come into play tapped except 1-3x Tri lands with an emphasis on lands that make blue because blue is the dominate color, the rest of the colors can be splashed.
- Tri lands: Arcane Sanctum, Crumbling Necropolis, Mystic Monastery
- Shock lands: Blood Crypt, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, Steam Vents, Watery Grave
- Pain lands: Caves of Koilos, Shivan Reef, Underground River, Sulfurous Springs, Battlefield Forge
- Check lands: Glacial Fortress, Sulfur Falls, Drowned Catacomb
- Odyssey Filter lands: Skycloud Expanse
- All five Arifact lands including Darksteel Citadel
- Lands that can make any color of mana Mana Confluence, City of Brass, Reflecting Pool, Command Tower
- Inventors' Fair
- 4-5 Island and 1-2x of each other basic land colors.
This is the $103 manabase I would use:
- 1x Ancient Den
- 1x Arcane Sanctum
- 1x Battlefield Forge
- 1x Blood Crypt
- 1x Caves of Koilos
- 1x City of Brass
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Crumbling Necropolis
- 1x Darksteel Citadel
- 1x Drowned Catacomb
- 1x Glacial Fortress
- 1x Godless Shrine
- 1x Great Furnace
- 1x Hallowed Fountain
- 1x Inventors' Fair
- 5x Island
- 1x Mana Confluence
- 1x Mountain
- 1x Mystic Monastery
- 1x Plains
- 1x Reflecting Pool
- 1x Seat of the Synod
- 1x Shivan Reef
- 1x Skycloud Expanse
- 1x Steam Vents
- 1x Sulfur Falls
- 1x Sulfurous Springs
- 1x Swamp
- 1x Underground River
- 1x Vault of Whispers
- 1x Watery Grave
Both our decks are trying to win with combo, but the biggest problem I'm having with combo is having enough unconditional tutors to find the combo pieces. Additional tutors I would add are: Demonic Tutor, Enlightened Tutor and Reshape. This gives a better tutor base of:
All these changes/upgrades/additions would make this deck cost ~$320.
1 year ago
Changes made today are added the Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek combo, Omut thanks for the suggestion. Sphinx of the Steel Wind was cut and replaced with Steel Hellkite because Hellkite has better synergy with Grand Architect and is cheaper. Made some lands changes as well adding Darksteel Citadel, Azorius Chancery and Arcane Sanctum.
I like that Citadel is an artifact land, I can find it with both Glint-Nest Crane and Trinket Mage if I need a land. It also has better utility with many cards in this deck including Breya, Kuldotha Forgemaster and Thopter Spy Network because it's an artifact.
I didn't think I could fit the Sword/Foundry combo into this deck without cutting Eldrazi Displacer and Time Sieve which I didn't really want to do, but I made it work. All changes today added a whopping $2 to the deck.
1 year ago
Suggestion from Reddit I am posting here for future convenience
Okay so you definitely need more lands. In total you probably want to run somewhere between 32 and 36. I think I have 36 but I'm playing a much more control oriented deck. Some lands I like which I notice you are not running: Seaside Citadel Glacial Fortress, Sunpetal Grove, Hinterland Harbor Calciform Pools, Saltcrusted Steppe Skycloud Expanse, Sungrass Prairie, Command Tower I don't know if you feel like you want to spend a lot more money, but if you do you could always go for shocks and fetches which are very strong land types but quite expensive.
I would also definitely suggest a Sol Ring.
As for cuts, I would probably consider: Altered Ego, Champion of Lambholt, Crowned Ceratok, Ivy Lane Denizen, Medomai the Ageless, Sun Titan, Amulet of Vigor, Skeleton Key, Strionic Resonator, Unbender Tine, Oath of the Ancient Wood, and Primeval Bounty.
I don't know your playgroup, and I might have missed reasons why these cards work for you so those are just considerations, but that's what I would look at if the deck were mine.
Good luck! Let me know if you have any questions
1 year ago
My problem was not with lowlands downside. I personally think the fetch has essentially no downside, so its just a strict upgrade. It does not thin in commander, the percentage change is negligible. As for Skycloud Expanse, keep in mind it can filter colorless mana.
1 year ago
Id cut city of Brass for Skycloud Expanse. No damage, plus it can filter colorless mana.