|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Printings View all
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Zendikar vs Eldrazi (DDP)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2014 (C14)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Jace vs. Chandra (DD2)||Uncommon|
|Tenth Edition (10E)||Uncommon|
|Promo Set (000)||Uncommon|
Combos Browse all
: Add to your mana pool.
1 , , Sacrifice Mind Stone: Draw a card.
Price & Acquistion Set Price Alerts
|Have (15)||ZombieFood , maR2307 , twospires , Dr_Jay , MattN7498 , Sparky41 , gosora , pskinn01 , rockleemyhero , Mousemke , buildingadeck , ironax , Lucretian , GoldGhost012 , LTmiller|
|Want (6)||Turtlelover73 , Gabeph , RedMulligan , Mousemke , PhotogenicParasympathetic , mlouden03|
Mind Stone Discussion
15 minutes ago
It would seem great minds think alike! Nice deck name you have there. ;D
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 12 | 1652 VIEWS | IN 7 FOLDERS
For real, I do have quite a few things I'd like to suggest quite a few things that should hopefully help you out!
The first item I'd like to point out are a handful of outclassed cards. Sylvan Reclamation in GW is for all intents and purposes strictly better than Relic Crush. Subbing one generic mana for one white mana for both exile AND the option to cycle? Count me in! Dreamstone Hedron does provide two colorless mana, but I feel Mind Stone being potentially dropped earlier makes that a more worthwhile option to me. Grappling Hook is nice when you can force your opponent to block how you like, but if you're going for the double strike option I believe there are better options that can come out earlier and work better to your advantage. Fireshrieker is a cheaper double strike equipment, and Duelist's Heritage can boost your opponents' creatures on turns where they are not so inclined to be attacking you to make your opponents finish each other off more quickly!
One thing worth pointing out is that Mirri isn't dependent on cats. While there are plenty of cats and cat-based cards that work well with Mirri, don't be afraid to tip your toes outside of the tribal focus a little bit here. Oketra's Monument is a good example of a card that can boost your strategies with non-Cat creatures. Other cards that work well would be Martial Coup, Secure the Wastes, and Elspeth, Sun's Champion. While a little costly on the mana side of things, Hornet Queen provides great flying defense that this deck typically lacks. These token producers would also allow you to take greater advantage of Skullclamp (or Mentor of the Meek if you choose to add it as well) for some nice card draw.
While Hornet Queen is fresh on the mind, I'd like to point out Sandwurm Convergence as another great defense against flying decks.
Tribal vs non-tribal aside, let's talk about how to tap Mirri outside of combat. You'll want to get her tapped every turn you have her out, but sometimes swinging away just isn't a viable option. Cards like Cryptolith Rite and Glare of Subdual allow you to get plenty of non-combat utility out of Mirri as you enable her. Don't forget lands that tap your creatures, including Survivors' Encampment. Cards with Convoke can also be beneficial, especially with all the token generators you have. Chord of Calling and Obelisk of Urd are probably the two best for your deck.
Fun fact, if you're looking for a cheap and on-theme infinite combo. Combine Cryptolith Rite, Oketra's Monument, Whitemane Lion, and Leonin Battlemage for an infinite number of tokens and an infinitely large creature!
In regards to your manabase, I have two concerns: I believe there are too many ETB tapped lands, and you don't have enough ramp.
For the ramp side, you should look to squeeze in Selesnya Signet and Talisman of Unity - they are great to drop early, and allow you to drop Mirri as early as turn 2! Getting some redundancy in your deck with Kodama's Reach wouldn't be too remiss of you either... wouldn't you want to double your chances of drawing into Cultivate early?
For the lands, the only ones you're running that enter tapped that I'm a fan of are Path of Ancestry and Selesnya Sanctuary. While the other provide solid fixing, being set back a turn on mana when you should be aiming to generate as much as possible to get your token production up can really slow you down. More basics, and cheap duals like Sunpetal Grove, Fortified Village, Canopy Vista, and Temple of Plenty that either enter untapped under the right conditions, or at least provide some extra utility, I believe would be preferential. To put it in perspective, would you rather gain 1 life, or scry 1? Would you rather have a guildgate, or Scattered Groves that does the same thing, but can be cycled AND more easily fetched?
In addition to that fixing, more utility lands would also be worthwhile for you. Hashep Oasis and more relevantly Shefet Dunes provide mana for you while also giving you the option of pumping your creatures. I personally run other cards in my own Arahbo deck like Homeward Path and Scavenger Grounds as well, but you could tailor those to your personal meta.
I'd also like to discuss putting some redundancy in your deck.
When it comes to your commander, Mirri is nice since she locks down combat, but there are other options here that can perform similar roles! Crawlspace provides a similar protection effect, although it allows two creatures attacking and not one. Citadel Siege allows you tap one of your opponents' creatures each turn, so they can only ever attack you with their second best option! On the offensive side, Krosan Vorine is another cat(!!!) that with provoke forces your opponent into bad blocks. Likewise, Odric, Master Tactician provides similar combat control.
I notice you have a pretty heavy equipment focus, but with the amount of token generation that Mirri benefits from, more anthem-esque effects like Mirari's Wake and Marshal's Anthem would be appreciated. Two that I can think of off the bat would be Spear of Heliod and Bow of Nylea. Both provide excellent utility outside of their offensive boosts. If you have Mirri and the Spear out, 3 open mana means your opponent KNOWS that their creature can die that turn. Likewise, the Bow makes blocks even tougher even WITHOUT Mirri, not to mention it's such a Swiss Army Knife otherwise!
The last thing I'd like to cover are you win conditions. Going wide with your tokens is critical to your strategy, so let's find a way to take maximum advantage of that. Throne of the God-Pharaoh and Jazal Goldmane stand out to me as some of your best finishers, but we can add more. If you have the budget for it, Craterhoof Behemoth is one of the best token finishers out there, but if you're looking for a cheaper option (albeit slightly weaker), Decimator of the Provinces provides a similar Overrun effect on a body. I'm a big fan of infect, so Triumph of the Hordes is something I would include in my own Mirri deck, as it's such an efficient blowout card. I can understand if you're not keen on infect, though. Finally, True Conviction can quickly turn games around when you'd otherwise be down and out thanks to the massive lifegain it provides, not to mention board-wide double strike often being enough to end games.
I know I went on and on here, but I do help this was of help to you! Please, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
15 hours ago
GftT: Okay i get it :) if all of you are running Surgical it's good to split :)
Ornithopter! costs ;)
Lightning Bolts are perfect for removing early threats (vs. Aggro) or to push through the last points of damage. 2 hits with Abyssal Persecutor make 12 damage, 2 fetches make 4-6 and then you only need a bolt to finish and steel the game on turn 5 after ramping with Mind Stone
what do you think about Bronze Bombshell instead of Death's Shadow? it fits the strategy and you can throw it at their faces with Harmless Offering or Bazaar Trader. 7 damage for 4 mana is a lot! otherwise it's just a good block-trader on the ground. and if you are really worried about the air just max out on Ornithopters
15 hours ago
Seconding Underworld Connections too.
16 hours ago
Go for the Throat and Terminate are split like that because in my play group Surgical Extraction is played in 8/10 decks. because of that I don't want to lose all my kill, so I keep it split. I am running the Victim of Night Sideboard to bring in and replace the Go for the Throat when affinity comes up.
Will-o'-the-Wisp I do fully admit is a strange card, but I need some form of blocker early, cause I don't want to have to chump with the Bazaar Trader. If you have a recommendation for another 1 drop blocker with flying that is better I am happy to switch out.
Death's Shadow I did address in the description that it is a little bit of an off card in the deck. but I explained it there that "As you don't normally worry about your life total too much you are usually in a position to play Death's Shadow to slow down, or stop an opponents attacks on you. As well as if you pull off a donation with Abyssal Persecutor and your own life total is in the negatives you can get the full value of a 1 drop 13/13 to fight back with." So at this time I still stand by having them in.
Honestly really solid suggestions and I may do a little experimenting in the near future with adding some Lightning Bolt and more Mind Stone. But taking out the Death's Shadow and Will-o'-the-Wisp leaving me with only 8 creatures I would start suffering to more of the aggro decks.
17 hours ago
Why do you split Go for the Throat and Terminate? i would suggest cutting the Go for the Throat and playing a full set of Terminate.. it's just better in general and you have targets when running into anything that looks like affinity :)I mean you play 10 sources of both black and red, that should work out
Also, due to you're running red, I would suggest some (4) Lightning Bolts.
Furthermore Death's Shadow is somehow odd as well, it doesn't really fit in here..
In general I would suggest to stick to the deck's plan and cut everything that doesn't keep that plan going. (except for removal, ramp etc. obviously ;))
I hope you like what I'm suggesting :) really love your take on this..
3 days ago
Honestly, I've been thinking of moving in this direction as well. All of this seems insanely on point. I can't really think of anything I'd change aside from minor things. Maybe a little curious about Relic of Progenitus over Rest in Peace. Easier tutor target and contributes to artifact synergies, but overall weaker card. I'd also consider Prismatic Lens over Mind Stone.
Has my stamp of approval as best arbiter list on the web by a long shot. Nice work mate.
3 days ago
For a deck based around noncreature spells, this sure has a lot of creatures in it. Now, I haven't played a prowess deck before, but I feel like you don't need to run every single prowess creature in here, especially cards like Bloodfire Expert, Dragon Bell Monk, Ingenious Skaab, Jeskai Sage, Jeskai Student, Mage-Ring Bully, Sanguinary Mage, Spellweaver Eternal, Umara Entangler, none of which have any significant abilities. To replace these, I'd run some mana ramp, which you have a criminally low amount of (one, in Chandra, Torch of Defiance). You could run Sol Ring, an EDH staple that every deck needs, also Azorius Signet, Izzet Signet, and Boros Signet, and if you want to get rid of your ramp later in the game, Mind Stone, Commander's Sphere, Hedron Archive, and Dreamstone Hedron will suit your needs. Some other ramp cards that can work really well in your deck are Chromatic Lantern, Coalition Relic, Coldsteel Heart, Corrupted Grafstone, Darksteel Ingot, Dowsing Dagger Flip, Fellwar Stone, Gilded Lotus, Khalni Gem, Primal Amulet Flip, and Pyromancer's Goggles. Obviously, you souldn't run all of these, but you should definitely consider them. The average commander deck should have around 10 ramp cards, though yours may want a few less, considering it's an aggro-ish deck. Also, Ponder's really good.
3 days ago
Extort is a great way to tackle multiple opponents. If I'm right, your main strategy is to use extort AND (s)tax cards to whittle down your opponents' strengths.
The biggest problem I see with your deck is that its average CMC is way too high in order for you to use extort effectively. You will need to make some cuts to make the deck more effective in that area. I would also really find some additional ways to add some ramp to your deck, to make it a little faster. Last but not least, I would lessen the deck's focus on both tax (paying extra mana for stuff) and stax (forcing sacrifices) while also trying to build an extort deck.
Here are my suggestions:
Before suggesting additions, let me first suggest some cuts:
- Abhorrent Overlord: too expensive, bad synergy with rest of the deck
- Ashen Rider; cool creature, nice spot removal, but too damn expensive. Especially when you need your mana each turn to use your extort abilities.
- Darien, King of Kjeldor: too expensive, bad synergy with rest of the deck
- Emeria Shepherd: nice recursion, but too expensive CMC
- razaketh, the foulblooded : this is one of the main reasons that currently makes this deck very ineffective. It's one of two reason (Eldrazi Monument being the other) that you are running so many token generators.
- Dictate of Erebos: this is really not the deck's focus, and not needed if you also use tax cards.
- Debtors' Knell: nice recursion but fucking expensive (CMC-wise); there are cheaper alternatives.
- Grave Betrayal: nice steal card but again, unreal-fucking expensive
- Martyr's Bond: too expensive, there are cheaper alternatives
- Eldrazi Monument: no reason why this should be in here
- Everflowing Chalice: you need ramp but this does not work too well unless you're playing a counter/proliferate deck.
- Godsend: spot removal is nice, you need it, but there are cheaper ways.
- Devout Invocation: nice finisher but this deck can do without such an expensive card.
- Increasing Devotion: you do not need tokens
- Rout: I would replace this with a more interesting wipe (more on that below).
Ok, now that my removal suggestions are out of the way, time for some addition suggestions.
Adding two more lands wouldn't hurt. I would also consider adding Solemn Simulacrum, Burnished Hart or even Weathered Wayfarer. If you feel like spending big, Land Tax might be nice. In terms of ramp artifacts, Mind Stone, Thought Vessel or Commander's Sphere would fit well here.
I'm missing Treasury Thrull. Not just a great extorter, but also nice for recursion purposes.
Norn's Annex is an even better version of Ghostly Prison in my opinion. Especially for you since giving up 4 life to cast this in turn 2-3 is not a problem at all; you're gaining oodles of life anyway. Authority of the Consuls is awesome in this deck too, and so cheap! Since you're so fond of recursion, how about Athreos, God of Passage. His ability synergizes so well with your deck! Finally, Karmic Justice is cheap to cast and is almost as good as Martyr's Bond. And not a (s)tax card perse, but Crawlspace stops any ambitious token player dead in its tracks against you.
In terms of draw, with the amount of life you can gain with this deck, it basically begs for a Necropotence (or maybe an Underworld Connections or Greed). For tutoring, I'd add something like Enlightened Tutor (as enchantments are important to your deck's success). Diabolic Tutor could also be added; even Vampiric Tutor if you feel like throwing money around.
For spot removal, I'd suggest Unmake. For wipes, I'd replace Rout with Fumigate (gain live while wiping; noice :)). Also, Toxic Deluge is simply made for lifegain decks like yours, and it will even get rid of indestructible creatures.
As an afterthought
Well, I hope I did not forget anything and that any of this helped. If not, feel free to curse my name haha. If it did help, I would ask in return if you could peruse a deck of mine and leave your comments and/or likes. Thanks and happy gaming!