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Temple of Enlightenment
Temple of Enlightenment enters the battlefield tapped.
When Temple of Enlightenment enters the battlefield, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
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Temple of Enlightenment Discussion
6 days ago
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Thanks for helping out kamarupa. I decided to have less lord effects like Always Watching and Signal Pest in favor of more interactive spells such as Spellstutter Sprite and Spell Queller ; tempo cards like that reduce the need for buffs every game since you'll be able to win with incremental value from countering threats and removal; having a board of big fliers that dies to an Anger of the Gods or Damnation is worse than a board of smaller fliers that doesn't, imo. As I said in an earlier comment, the reason I'm not playing Squadron Hawk is because the Spellstutter Sprite s (ie the interactive spells) take up their spots. As for Segovian Angel vs. Healer's Hawk , I personally think it's pretty even. The angel can attack and leave a body to crew Smuggler's Copter and block (though I don't think that situation comes up too often) while hawk is more useful with buffs; either way, I might just replace those 4 cards with Siren Stormtamer since it's EVEN MORE protection and it seems fun to screw with interactive decks with it and the other tax-counter 1-drops.
In regards to the land count, I opted to go under 20 because the deck has a significant amount of drawing power with Smuggler's Copter , Curious Obsession , and Faerie Seer , plus the curve is low enough (with only four 3 cmc cards in the deck at the top end) to handle the lower land count. In testing, the deck doesn't often have trouble getting to that third land or even the fourth. I'm hesitant to add colorless lands to a budget 2-color mana base, and I probably won't. Temple of Enlightenment is a tapland so that's a no-go, Remorseful Cleric is a better answer to graveyards than Scavenger Grounds since it also serves double-duty as a threat. I won't play Immortal Servitude either since it costs a bit too much for this deck and the WWW casting cost is pretty hard to get.
I don't think any of those are substantial reasons to cut Vesperlark , Curious Obsession , Spell Queller , or Smuggler's Copter ; especially the last two. First, Curious Obsession . If you followed standard at all recently it's pretty evident how good it is, but to summarize the good things about it: it is usually able to replace itself immediately (therefore isn't a 2-for-1), gives a little bit of extra damage, and can easily run away with games (through card advantage) if left unchecked. So I really don't get what you mean when you say it's "too narrow."
Vesperlark is, I'd argue, one of the least narrow cards in the deck. As you said, Pride of the Clouds is a prime target for removal; if they have it, they'll kill it. But as long as it's not exiled, Vesperlark can get it back. The same goes for Mausoleum Wanderer or Judge's Familiar , which you can reuse for 2 mana if you've sacrificed them once and are in need of some protection again. Basically, it can serve as copies 5 and 6 of pretty much every creature in the deck. It's also a great value-generator in longer games: a full-cost Vesperlark is able to block, kill something, and leave a body on the battlefield, kind of reminiscent of Kitchen Finks but potentially better if you get a Pride of the Clouds or protection 1-drop back. If you play it on a full board and your opponent sweeps it, you'll still have a board presence afterwards which reduces the tempo swing a little bit. In short, it's a pretty flexible card.
If you search around online, Smuggler's Copter is played in nearly every Favorable Winds deck, and for good reason: it's an undercosted flier that also lets you cycle through your deck, discarding extra lands or dead removal spells and finding more threats. Some people even play Copter in Merfolk, a deck that has no apparent synergies with the card, because the ability to find gas in exchange for useless cards you draw is so good. As for Spell Queller , the mana cost is never a problem. 18 lands is plenty to get to 3 mana on curve, and add the card draw/cycling/scry from Curious Obsession / Smuggler's Copter / Faerie Seer it's even rarer that I don't get a third land eventually.
I haven't put any thought into a sideboard yet since this deck was honestly just a 10-minute draft (budget deckbuilding practice) that I had no intention of sharing with others, but I'll keep those in mind. Sanctimony 's a cool card I didn't know about :D
3 weeks ago
Looks very close to my deck "Sand Flies." A few spells I run in that I recommend here:
Always Watching . I've found a full set of AW along with a full set of Favorable Winds drastically improves the consistency of pumps hitting the battlefield.
Signal Pest - The big problem with this creature is that Favorable Winds doesn't apply. I think it makes up for that by essentially being another pump, and for only 1CMC! In mine, 2x SP, 4xAW, & 4xFW means there are 10 pump spells to make all my little 1/1 flying creatures often become 3/3's and bigger.
If you include Always Watching, then Segovian Angel isn't needed. Also, I completely disagree with DefectiveDwarf regarding it over Healer's Hawk . While a 1/1 HH might not be all that meaningful, a 3/3 HH is a menace. And it's not that uncommon to get 2 or even 3x HH down in a single game - 3x 3/3 flying, lifelink is good enough that you can let your opponent hit you.
I really like Squadron Hawks in my deck, mainly because I see it as pseudo draw-card. It's just a really solid way to keep creatures hitting the battlefield turn after turn. I've playtested my deck quite a bit and the Hawks have been better than I'd hoped.
Even if you don't add Signal Pest, I'd still suggest adding 1x Buried Ruin . Just playing it can make opponents second guess the wisdom of removing an artifact you control. Other lands I'd suggest considering: Temple of Enlightenment - shifting a scry ability into the mana-base means more room for other utility effects. Scavenger Grounds - it's pretty useful to be able to exile some people's graveyards.
I think Immortal Servitude is better than Vesperlark and worth the extra casting cost. It tends to hit right at the point opponents think they've got you licked, which also tends to be devastating for them.
Over the years, I come to realize that no matter how low a deck's AVG CMC is, 20 is really the lowest number of lands a deck can scrape by on. Of course, there are sure to be exceptions to such a rule of thumb, but generally speaking, 20 is the bottom number. Good decks can get going with 3-4 spells and 2-4 lands in an opening hand. A lot of decks try to do too much or over-kill opponents when it typically takes a lot less to win. If we consider 4 spells and 3 lands a good opening hand, that means statistically, about 57% of a deck is spells (34-35) and 42% lands (25-26). Now I've always been a bit rebellious and for years have tried to build decks with 16 lands, but I'm sad to report it doesn't yield great results. I'm typically trying to include as much as 25 lands in most the new brews I work on, but it usually ends up being more like 22. I think 20 is enough here. Another way to put all this would be to say I think you need to cut a couple creatures or other spells.
Spells I'd suggest dropping: Vesperlark (too narrow), Spell Queller (too high CMC), Curious Obsession (too narrow), Smuggler's Copter (not a creature, resource demanding, not great to discard).
As crazy as it sounds I'm actually considering dropping Pride of the Clouds . It's a major target that almost always get removed. It seems like I've had better games when all my creatures were close to the same power/toughness. It's hard for opponents to deal with decks that don't have singular wincons.
Other spells to consider: Dovin, Grand Arbiter - it's really fun to +2 him and add another 2-4 loyalty counters. It's actually pretty easy to ultimate and that ultimate is pretty good. Serra the Benevolent - another pump for fliers and a Worship ultimate is not bad at all. Sideboard/utilities: Generous Gift , Faith's Shield , Blessed Alliance , Negate , Oblivion Ring , Celestial Purge , Disenchant , Revoke Existence , Nevermore , Ratchet Bomb , Elixir of Immortality , Pithing Needle , Teyo, the Shieldmage , Witchbane Orb , Sanctimony , Shalai, Voice of Plenty , Leyline of Sanctity , Tormod's Crypt .
3 weeks ago
Hey, man! I looked into your deck and I would probably go with a decklist that is a little more consistent. My primary deck is Azorius artifact-control, so this is up my alley.
Essentially, it looks like you are trying to hit infinite mana ASAP. I bumped up your Isochron Scepter 's to max, and dropped all your Sol Ring s in favor of Basalt Monolith s. While at face value the monoliths look lesser, they go infinite on their own with Isochron and Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth are a complicated, but instant two-card-combo.
Azorius is awesome at control, but can run a little slow compared to some other color combos. A little stax/pillow fort components like Propaganda and Ghostly Prison should keep people from swinging at you as often and you have mana for days.
I trimmed down your creature base so that you had a higher probability of going infinite and added two Palladium Myr s to help that process along. Render Silent and Supreme Verdict can save you from other control decks, and you shouldn't have consistency issues at all, so I pulled a few copies of Tinker .
Your win cons are Infinite Mana + Sands of Delirium , swinging with a Metalwork Colossus , or just hitting that 0 button on Tezzeret, Cruel Machinist and swinging for lethal. I know you are put against mill semi-frequently, so I tossed in a Leyline of Sanctity (which is being re-printed in M20!) and I pumped up your land-base to just below the standard for a 60 card deck (24 lands).
I did not go through and hyperlink everything, just new cards I have added.
- 4x Isochron Scepter
- 1x Prototype Portal
- 1x Rings of Brighthearth
- 4x Sands of Delirium
- 1x Sensei's Divining Top
- 4x Basalt Monolith
- 2x Azorius Signet
- 1x Mystic Speculation
- 1x Tinker
- 1x Supreme Verdict
- 1x Academy Ruins
- 7x Ancient Den
- 1x Inventors' Fair
- 8x Seat of the Synod
- 1x Tolarian Academy
- 1x Temple of Enlightenment
- 1x Azorius Chancery
- 1x Reliquary Tower
- 1x Buried Ruin
- 1x Maze of Ith
- 2x Metalwork Colossus
- 1x Urza, Lord High Artificer
- 2x Palladium Myr
1 month ago
So I'm trying to make a deck for my friend for his birthday and he likes Greek Mythology, specifically Poseidon, Hades, and Zues in this order. I'm wanting to stay in the Theros block and have 3 deck ideas but I need some advice and criticism because I don't want to make him a weak deck.
Here are what I've made:
The first one is using Heliod because I made this first and forgot there is a god that looks like zues but in MTG Heliod is the "Leader" or Highest ranking or whatever.
The second one is using Keranos and white humans so its 4 colors instead of 3.
The third one is sticking to the block and theme but also sticking to heroic and scry.
I have always been bad about including a safe amount of land in my decks so that is something i really need help with. I also wasn't sure if this was the best way to show the decks or if i should've just copy and pasted each text.
Sorry for the long post. Wasn't sure how to do this.
1 month ago
The first thing I notice when looking at this list is that you run 41 lands. I strongly advise against this. In my experience, unless you’re a green landfall deck like Azusa, Lost but Seeking , there is little utility in running more than 34, maybe 35 lands. There are budget options for fetching, such as Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse , which you might find helpful for color fixing. Also, you might consider running the shock lands in your colors ( Hallowed Fountain , etc.). These can be grabbed by slow fetches like Flood Plain , and add a level of consistency to your mana base without breaking the bank. Hall of the Bandit Lord is also a consideration, though it can be pricey. Temple of Epiphany , Temple of Enlightenment and Temple of Triumph may be helpful to find more/fewer lands early, before Narset is down, and remove ‘dud’ lands from the top of your deck after she is ready to attack. Command Tower , Mana Confluence and City of Brass are also good additions.
My second piece of advice is to add top deck manipulation. While many of these kind of cards are expensive, like Jace, the Mind Sculptor , Scroll Rack and Sensei's Divining Top , card’s like Ponder , Brainstorm and Preordain are very affordable. I especially advise the first two, as they permit stacking up to two spells on top of your deck before attacking with Narset, where Preordain only stacks one. However, all three are great in an opening hand looking for lands or action cards, and I would run all three in virtually all blue decks. Telling Time and Serum Visions are also contenders for this slot, though I don’t think as highly of them.
Mystical Tutor , Enlightened Tutor and Personal Tutor are also great ways to stack cards you need on top of your deck before a Narset trigger resolves. These are in the $20-$30 range though, so they may not be super accessible.
Strionic Resonator copies your generals ability... just sayin’.
If you don’t want to run counter magic, you should at least consider counter counter magic measures like Defense Grid or Price of Glory . These will make it way more difficult for your opponent to counter your general on her way down, or your free spells during the resolution of her trigger. Silence is also a good card from that view. Some interaction is always good, though. Here, I recommend Wrath of God , Supreme Verdict and/or Swords to Plowshares . The first two are board wipes that will hold back wide decks and give you time to cast your general; Swords is just the best spot removal in the game. Wear / Tear is another great piece of interaction in RUW.
With respect to your ramp: I see you’re running all three cluestones. I think the signets ( Azorius Signet , Boros Signet and Izzet Signet ) are better. In my experience there is a tremendous difference between 2- and 3-mana rocks in EDH. Similarly, I advise Talisman of Progress , Mind Stone , and Thought Vessel as ramp options. Coldsteel Heart is also a good idea.
Depending on your board presence during each game, you might consider Restore Balance , as a Narset trigger allows you to cast it immediately. This may be helpful if you can’t go off that turn, and just want to keep opposing boards in check.
Card draw and selection is a premium in EDH and decides most games. Chart a Course , Faithless Looting and Dack Fayden all come to mind when viewing your list. Ancestral Vision is about $10 these days, and is a fun flip off a Narset trigger, though Concentrate may be just straight better, as you can cast it from your hand as well. Mystic Remora is a good enchantment for drawing cards. If you choose to run a counter counter magic package, Dictate of Kruphix or Howling Mine may help; however, be weary of playing them when you have no counter protection, as they are symmetrical effects.
Finally, depending on how mean you are, Ravages of War , Armageddon and Cataclysm are possibilities. Nuke-ing all the lands means that Narset is very likely to take over the game, and resolving one of these spells may win the game on its own. Cataclysm is, in my experience, even more brutal than the other two, as it kills walkers and removes armies of blockers.
I hope you find this helpful; let me know if you need clarification on any of my comments.
Good luck with deck building!
1 month ago
Been super busy lately so sorry for the late replies!
@Limo: Thanks for the upvote! I'll be sure to take a look at your deck!
@: If you had read the deck description I've put the relevant ruling for auras there as many get confused by them; basically auras only target when cast so if they are put into play as part of an effect (ie. Zur, Replenish , Open the Vaults , etc) they can be attached to a legal permanent of your choosing (as defined by the enchant ability) without targeting that permanent. As MtgMaster02 pointed out Triclopean Sight is indeed both backup to Daybreak Coronet as well as an effective means to get Stasis up and running.
@SlowMoon17: I'd say both yes and no. I've slightly drifted away from the straight 1v1 environment to make it more resilient and able to at least hold its own in multiplayer as well (due to the local meta). I feel like there are faster ways of combo winning ( Doomsday , Phyrexian Unlife , etc) but that's just boring. There's something about playing land destruction/ Stasis and seeing the light drain from your oppenents' eyes that just makes it oh so worth it haha.
@MordMetal: It really depends on how budget you want. Obviously don't foil it lol; but in all seriousness you can save a ton on the land base alone. Add more basics and tap lands ( Arcane Sanctum / Vivid Creek / Vivid Marsh / Vivid Meadow ), use Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse instead of fetches, etc. If your overall CMC is still low swap Dark Confidant for Dark Tutelage , Snapcaster Mage for Archaeomancer / Mnemonic Wall . As for Timetwister it really depends on what effect you are looking for... GY shuffle: Elixir of Immortality , Card draw: Windfall , both: Time Spiral although it costs double the mana (and untaps!) and is still expensive although still cheaper by a phenomenal amount. These are just some examples. I'd recommend doing an advanced Gatherer search (https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Default.aspx) for specific effects you are looking for in a cheaper card variant.
@Dankey Thank you! I like running Jace, the Mind Sculptor for the Brainstorm effect (and Unsummon effect if needed) to filter away any enchantments that find thier way into my hand (so i can tutor them up for free). In 1v1 Jace basically lets me know what my opponent is drawing most of the time too; so for now I think he is just too versatile to get rid of.
@cango35: I really like Winding Canyons in most creature based decks but i think it'd be kind of a waste here for a few reasons. Firstly I overall barely have any creatures. Secondly the additional 2 mana is killer... it'd mean i'd need 6 mana PLUS the land to get it off and that's just not worth the luxury of flash in my opinion. Thanks for the suggestion though!
@Auraprime1984: There are a few options. The rest of the mana base is pretty solid, so to be honest it doesn't matter a whole lot. You could add more basics, the third painland ( Caves of Koilos ), Exotic Orchard , maybe Tainted Isle / Tainted Field , Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , Prairie Stream / Sunken Hollow , Choked Estuary / Port Town , etc. You could also use some tap lands like Arcane Sanctum , Celestial Colonnade , Fetid Pools / Irrigated Farmland , Temple of Deceit / Temple of Enlightenment , etc. Signet lands are also an option Darkwater Catacombs / Skycloud Expanse . You mostly just have to figure out what would work best with your build. Hope that helps!
Temple of Enlightenment occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
WU (Azorius): 1.75%
WUB (Esper): 0.53%