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(1), Tap, Sacrifice Esper Panorama: Search your library for a basic Plains, Island, or Swamp card and put it into play tapped. Then shuffle your library.
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Esper Panorama Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hi there, I'm from the advertise your commander thread.
I used to have a Nin, the Pain Artist deck based on stealing and copying your opponents stuff. I always liked to win using your opponents cards, so its nice to see a deck with a similar theme.
I think your current build has a lot of room for optimization as there are many cards that have strictly or subjectively better counterparts. These are some suggestions for cards I would replace and what with:
Other cards that fit the theme of the deck: Clone, Stunt Double, Phyrexian Metamorph, Clever Impersonator, Roil Elemental, Vesuvan Doppelganger, Cackling Counterpart & Rite of Replication (Non budget: Bribery & Gilded Drake)
I would probably drop the flicker subtheme you currently have because you dont run a lot of creatures and go down a few lands (37 should be fine) in favor of more draw (Rhystic Study & Mystic Remora are nice). Also, one of the good things about black is the access to tutors. By adding tutors you increase the consistency of your deck, as they effectively serve as an extra copy of all the other cards in your deck. Lim-Dul's Vault, Beseech the Queen and Dark Petition are some good relatively cheap ones. (If you want to invest a bit of money in it, Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are great.)
I hope this helps and good luck with deckbuilding!
PS. Dont forget to comment on the previously posted deck in the 'advertise your commander deck' thread. ;)
1 month ago
That's a cool interaction, hadn't thought of that. I tend to stay away from lands like Vesuva that ETB tapped (unless their stand-alone ability is amazing), this one enters tapped, and requires an "enabler" land. In the scenario I have a Flagstones of Trokair it works great (but remember too that Flagstones of Trokair also puts the plains in tapped.). It's much less utility (especially T1-T4 when trying to win) than a Fetch land. Plus no tutors for land to pull the combo (like Expedition Map) even if I draw into 1 or 2 pieces of it. Crucible of Worlds + Vesuva + Flagstones of Trokair too much random drawing needed, and Vesuva isn't strong enough to stand on it's own.
Thespian's Stage enters untapped for colorless, so it's a bit better. Still has the same 3-card combo requirements, and it's CMC to pull the plains. Warped Landscape can do it for same price (but only 2 targets in my build), Terminal Moraine, Myriad Landscape, Esper Panorama, Etc. Only pull basic, which i don't have many because of Tainted Pact.
Too much uncertainty for me to test. if i had lots of basics could run the Panoramas that pull , , or .
1 month ago
I haven't done a lot of research on zombies, but I learned from my old token deck that it takes a lot of trial and error to get the balance between token producers, pump spells, and abusers.
I think you haven't taken as much advantage of the colors you have. Green has a lot of cards that syngerize with tokens and white has the best removal and board wipes
I haven't looked at prices with these suggestions. Also, you don't have to listen to me at all
Josu Vess, Lich Knight - With green to help you ramp, this deck has a better chance of kicking him than other zombie decks. Open the Graves - More Tokens. Underrealm Lich - Card draw is always good. Varina, Lich Queen - Card draw, more tokens, and some lifegain to help keep you healthy for those life costs. Kodama's Reach, Rampant Growth, etc - I always feel like land ramp is more reliable than artifact ramp, especially in green, but this is just preference. You do seem to be lacking a bunch of ramp to keep those activated abilities from slowing you down. Death Baron - Another lord, but gives deathtouch too Carrion Feeder - Free sac outlet, if you are looking for one.
Pontiff of Blight - If you have solid ramp, giving all your creatures extort can get really dumb. Graveborn Muse - Might kill, but you will draw your entire deck with the right board state. Risen Executioner - Another lord with recursion Corpse Harvester - Tutor a zombie and a land. Noxious Ghoul - Could be spicy 1 sided board wipe Phyrexian Crusader - Possible 1 shot, but only if you have the right amount of pump. Shepherd of Rot - Could kill everyone. Good way to get around pillow fort and fogs. Raving Dead - Fun spice. Balthor the Defiled - Pretty good recursion. Right now Archetype of Imagination is the only non black creature. Dralnu, Lich Lord - You don't have that many instants and sorceries, but what you do have is strong. I think it reduces Army of the Damned's Flashback. Boneknitter - Tribal protection. Anguished Unmaking, Swords to Plowshares, Counterspell etc - some single target removal is always useful, and you are in amazing colors for it. I have this problem with my dragon deck. Second Harvest, Parallel Evolution - One time token doublers Craterhoof Behemoth, Overrun, Triumph of the Hordes - Ends games. Bramble Sovereign - Not a zombie, but this can do WORK. City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Reflecting Pool - 4 colors needs as much color fixing as possible. Esper Panorama - OK fetchland Krosan Verge - Underestimated fetch imo Fecundity - Crazy card draw Austere Command Merciless Eviction Cleansing Nova - A few more wipes. But these let you interact with artifacts and enchantments that this deck does not seem to do well.
Stronghold Assassin - effects like Dictate of Erebos, Grave Pact, and even Attrition are just better. Archetype of Imagination - I appreciate that you are trying to deal with a weakness in the deck while giving your creatures evasion. But, aren't zombie's looking to die for LTB effects? It also costs a lot. Grave Betrayal - Costs a bit too much for me, but a strong effect. I'm up in the air about this. Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord - Might be rough to cast in 4 colors Conspiracy - I might be missing something, but almost all of your creatures are zombies already. Skullbriar, the Walking Grave - Just seems like a beat stick that is hard to pump up. Vulturous Zombie - easier to pump up, but still feels like just another beat stick.
1 month ago
For your lands, I would recommend you run 38. This number should be a mix of utility, mana fixing, and basics.
P.S. Hour of Devastation is not allowed in your deck.
2 months ago
Pretty sweet list. Always happy to see another superfriend ;D
For the mana base, I'd first get rid of your monocolor taplands. The scry 1 on New Benalia doesn't make it better then just running a plains imho, and in a deck with only 6 creatures Mortuary Mire and Sejiri Steppe just end up without targets too often. Blighted Woodland comes in untapped and can find you whatever you need. Krosan Verge enters tapped, but activating it is cheaper and it finds nonbasics. Things like Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse are often better than tapped duals, because they find you whatever color you need (once you add some basic forests) and thin your deck. Ash Barrens as well as Bant Panorama and Esper Panorama do the same, but they can also serve as untapped lands once you have all your colors. The Vivid lands (Vivid Grove, Vivid Meadow, etc.) enter tapped, but they fix for any color and synergise with proliferate. All of those are very cheap.
Next you might want to look for the cycle duals from Amonketh (Fetid Pools, Irrigated Farmland, etc.). The cycle ability is way more relevant than gaining one life imho, and they have their land types which means things like Krosan Verge or Liliana of the Dark Realms can find them. The fact they still enter tapped makes them pretty cheap moneywise. Also keep your eyes open for the Battlebond lands (e.g.Sea of Clouds), and the shockduals from Ravnica (Overgrown Tomb etc.). Those are a bit more pricey, but the fact that they are recent (and, for the BB ones, only playable in multiplayer) means that there are quite a few of them sitting in tradebinders, and they are relatively affordable. This only goes for the shocks that have already been reprinted, for the Azorious and Orzhov ones we'll still have to wait a bit. I upgraded the landbase of my Atraxa list pretty much the same way and it worked quite fine throughout.
Something else I'd definitely add to your list that helps with fixing your mana as well is some ramp. Your deck has an avg cmc of 4+, and you want to get to the point where you can cast a walker and a boardwipe / something to protect it with on the same turn asap. The fact that you have green in your color identity gives you access to some of the best ramp/fixing available. Farseek and Nature's Lore can find nonbasics if you have them, but are fine without them. Cultivate and Kodama's Reach can fix you in 2 colors. Grow from the Ashes is a bit more manaintensive, but its kicked form brings the lands in untapped and you might find it in draftchaff-boxes at your LGS. Thaumatic Compass Flip costs a bit more, but it finds you basics in a pinch and transforms into a land that taps for mana and can protect your walkers.
Then there's manarocks. The guild signets (e.g. Dimir Signet) both ramp and fix you, without requiring colored mana to cast and are very budget friendly. Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chalice are very good with Atraxa, and not expensive either. I'd try to run ~10 ways to get ahead in mana, maybe even more in a deck as a manaintensive as this one.
Some other budget friendly things i can recommend are:
Primevals' Glorious Rebirth: Absolute blowout card in a planeswalker deck.
Oath of Gideon: Blockers, and a very sneaky buff to your walkers that people are reluctant to use removal on but generates a lot of value over time.
Oath of Teferi: Not as abusable as The Chain Veil but also less expenive both mana- and moneywise, and still very powerfull. The etb effect can bring a walker back to starting loyalty or reuse something like Djeru, With Eyes Open. If nothing else it untaps one of the lands you used to cast it.
If you have any questions feel free to ask, good luck and have fun building and playing!
2 months ago
Here's some land recommendations to both speed up the deck and give them more utility. All recommendations are under $20.
Lands to swap:
Sunken Hollow instead of Rupture Spire
Underground River instead of Shimmering Grotto
Morphic Pool instead of Transguild Promenade
Drowned Catacomb instead of Grixis Panorama
Tainted Isle instead of Esper Panorama
Since you don't need to fetch a lot of basics, I'd swap a few basics for dual lands to ensure you always have your colors, ~10 basics is more than enough for a deck
Creeping Tar Pit
Utility Lands worth including:
Temple of the False God
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Field of Ruin
Tolaria West (Transmute this land, to fetch another one you need)
Crypt of Agadeem
Spire of Industry
Shizo, Death's Storehouse
Hall of the Bandit Lord
2 months ago
Hey, Raff as a commander basicly gives you a Vedalken Orrery for most of your deck if done right. I enjoy building budget EDH decks for myself and my friends so I will gladly give advice.
To start with, it seems that you have listed Padeem, Consul of Innovation into your deck twice. Into that matter, playing that card means you are going into artifacts so i would recommend more of them. Metalwork Colossus is both a budget creature and a little bomb at flash speed. Being able to cast it easily as a 3-5 mana creature at the eot of your opponent basicly giving haste to a 10/10 which includes self recursion. Into that plan Chief Engineer, Filigree Angel, Foundry Inspector, Myr Retriever, Sanctum Gargoyle, Scrap Trawler, Soul of New Phyrexia and Sharding Sphinx would bring a lot of gimmics into the game and Treasure Mage as a handy tutor. This cards ain't too expensive too so they miught come in your budget.
Regarding your mana base, I can't help but wonder why haven't you included Sol Ring. Sure it is around 3,5$ but it is such a good card at any stage of the game I just can't think of a commander which wouldnt want it. I discourage the use of Gold Myr and Silver Myr thou their vulnerability towards removal and instead I would propose the addition of Sky Diamond and either Commander's Sphere or Darksteel Ingot. If it is in your budget, Burnished Hart and Thaumatic Compass Flip could help a great deal, as well as Esper Panorama or Bant Panorama.
GL and wish you good luck
4 months ago
If your maybeboard consists purely of cards you own/can obtain, these are my suggestions:
- Submerged Boneyard --> Sunken Hollow
- Meandering River --> Prairie Stream
- Dismal Backwater --> Drowned Catacomb
- Forsaken Sanctuary --> Hallowed Fountain
- Tranquil Cove --> Temple of the False God
- Jwar Isle Refuge --> Exotic Orchard
- Scoured Barrens --> Esper Panorama
- Arbiter of the Ideal --> Eldrazi Displacer
- AEthermage's Touch --> Coalition Relic
- Dead Reckoning --> Conjurer's Closet
- Lavinia of the Tenth --> Kaya, Ghost Assassin
- Mastery of the Unseen --> Eerie Interlude
- Haunted Crossroads --> Gonti, Lord of Luxury