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: Gain or . Shivan Reef deals 1 damage to you.
|Have (2)||metalmagic , Bluboltar|
|Want (3)||ephemeralAubade , Littledude7654 , RylexandertheFriendlyGOth|
Printings View all
|Commander 2020 (C20)||Rare|
|Duel Decks: Elves vs. Inventors (DDU)||None|
|Magic Origins (ORI)||Rare|
|Magic 2015 (M15)||Rare|
|Tenth Edition (10E)||Rare|
|Ninth Edition (9ED)||Rare|
|Ninth Edition Foreign Black Border (9EDFBB)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Shivan Reef occurrence in decks from the last year
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Shivan Reef Discussion
6 days ago
Commander Legends Update 11/21/2020
Reasons for Changes:
With the release of Commander Legends Jhoira got a lot of new toys. I did miss the update on the inclusion of Riverglide Pathway Flip, but with the release of Training Center it let the land changes be all inclusive. I decided to remove 2x Snow-Covered Mountains and Shivan Reef and replace them with Training Center, Riverglide Pathway Flip, and Jeweled Lotus. I haven't been able to test if cutting a land for Lotus is the right choice yet, however I think in the long run it will be the right cut. The decision to cut Shivan Reef instead of the last Snow-Covered Mountain comes out of necessity for cards like Fabled Passage and Prismatic Vista. There will be games where finding a basic Mountain will be necessary so I decided to leave one in the deck at the cost of a pain land.
Next up the one for one swap of Narset, Parter of Veils for Hullbreacher. This is a swap I am very excited to see in future games. The ability to leave up mana on other players turns yet still have a Narset like effect is very appealing. Wheel of Fortune's and Timetwisters now give the deck mana instead of ripping our opponents hands apart. I see this as one of two potential downsides to the change. However by swapping we are able to hold up potential counter magic on other players turns, instead of possibly tapping out for Narset. Wheel and Twister also become net positive in mana when Hullbreacher is played EOT on an opponents turn. I am very excited to see how this change plays out.
The last change is Impulse for Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh. This is a change I danced around in my mind for a bit before deciding to pull the trigger. I have had very few games where Impulse really made a difference for me. Cutting a card for a 0 cost card that potentially draws me a card as long as Jhoira is in play seemed like a reasonable trade off as Impulse usually had been used to attempt to find another way to trigger Jhoira's ability. Another reason for the inclusion is that Rograkh can help us go infinite with Words of Wind. As long as we have Mana Crypt or Mana Vault in play we can remove every other players boards. This doesn't net us infinite mana but opponents with no boards seems very appealing.
Let me know what you think of the changes. Wild to think this deck is coming up on its 3rd year of me tinkering and making it more and more powerful. Its definitely getting to a point where finding cards to cut is getting near impossible, though the next cut will most likely be Teferi, Master of Time and it might be taken out to put Impulse back in and lower the curve. Thanks to everyone who has viewed and liked the deck.
1 week ago
Hey, nice budget version of Brass.
Some budget upgrades for Pirates and lands to consider:
- Spectral Sailor > Wanted Scoundrels
- Changeling Outcast > Daring Buccaneer
- Impulsive Pilferer > Dire Fleet Hoarder
- Departed Deckhand > Goblin Trailblazer
- Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator > Kitesail Corsair
- Merchant Raiders > Siren Reaver
- Breeches, Brazen Plunderer > Dire Fleet Neckbreaker
- Coastline Marauders > Storm Fleet Spy
- Command Tower > Traveler's Amulet
- Exotic Orchard > Renegade Map
- Unclaimed Territory > Vivid Crag
- Path of Ancestry > Vivid Creek
- Shivan Reef > Highland Lake
- Smoldering Marsh > Cinder Barrens
- Sunken Hollow > Jwar Isle Refuge
- Izzet Boilerworks > Swiftwater Cliffs
- Dimir Aqueduct > Bloodfell Caves
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
See, you'll either be using Vannifar as a card quality engine -- making sure u get the perfect card for the situation(within limitations) -- or you'll want a different engine. Cards like Teferi, Hero of Dominaria are extremely good at grinding out tons of cards. There are a lot of them though, so don't think it's only this $30 card.
Now, a couple points:
Grazer is best if you have high land counts. And when I say high land counts, I mean 25+. You absolutely need that third land by turn 2 -- so three lands in the top 8 or 9 cards. If you cannot afford 25-26-27 lands, or think that is far too many, please do not run Grazer. There are good decks for it, but not everything.
I find it funny you're talking about a fast tempo... when you still have Chromatic Lantern and Sylvan Caryatid and all sorts of bad tempo. Dude, Chromatic Lantern isn't even good tempo in EDH. It's only good for fixing, and trust me, the painlands will provide enough fixing.
1 month ago
Hey, interesting start on a budget version of Kess.
Some cards to consider adding:
- Baleful Strix
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury
- Arcane Signet: at TCGPlayer can get it for less than $3.
- Izzet Signet
- Dimir Signet: can get it for less than $1.
- Rakdos Signet
- Crumbling Necropolis: Grixis Tri land.
- Shivan Reef: can get it for less than $1.
- Smoldering Marsh
- Grixis Panorama
- Opal Palace
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Izzet Boilerworks
- Rakdos Carnarium
Cards to consider cutting for these:
- Temple of the False God: it will not tap for mana until your fifth turn which is really bad.
- Vivid Marsh: when it runs out of two counters it can only tap for black.
- Dimir Guildgate
- Swiftwater Cliffs
- 4x Mountain
- Guard Gomazoa or Fog Bank
- Sage's Row Denizen
- Izzet Chronarch
- Mnemonic Wall
- Salvager of Secrets
- Possessed Skaab
Baleful Strix is a two drop who draws a card when it ETB, that way you can blink it with Deadeye to draw many cards. When you assemble Deadeye + Drake for infinite mana then being able to infinite blink a creature who draws can draw your win condition or draw and cast all cards in your deck. It's possible you could have a win condition already on the battlefield or in hand or graveyard with Kess, but if not then infinite blinking Strix lets you draw it.
Gonti, Lord of Luxury can be a win condition with Deadeye + Drake. It's not opponent mill, it's better, it's opponent exile their libraries and with infinite mana you get to cast all your opponent's cards. Arcane Signet , Izzet Signet, Dimir Signet, Rakdos Signet are some two drop mana rocks so you're not only relying on lands to have enough mana to cast cards.
I don't think you need to play so many creatures who recur an instant or sorcery because isn't that what Kess is for? That's the advantage of Kess, you get to cast an instant or sorcery from your graveyard on your turns, but once you resolve that spell is exiled. An exiled spell is no longer in your graveyard to recur to your hand. Archaeomancer is the only creature you want for this effect because you also have blink spells as well as Deadeye and creature recursion/reanimation spells for Archaeomancer.
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Hey, nice start on a budget.
Consider expanding on instants/sorceries trimming creatures? The power of Kess comes from being able to cast an instant/sorcery from your graveyard on your turn therefore you want to take more advantage of this especially draw and dig. Could start by cutting half the creatures from the creature base and adding mana efficient spells that Kess can cast from your graveyard:
- Dark Ritual
- Frantic Search
- Ignite the Future
- Chaos Warp
- Feed the Swarm
- Liliana's Triumph
A powerful repeatable effect on a budget with Kess because she has flying is Whispering Madness. Cipher Whispering to Kess and then when she does combat damage to an opponent everyone wheels their hands for no mana cost to you. A repeatable wheel fills your graveyard up with spells to then cast with Kess. Can even cast Whispering from your graveyard with Kess and then Cipher it to her or another creature you control. The act of discarding a card to Whispering means that if the card has a madness cost you can pay that cost. This is a way to discard a lot of cards with madness while at the same time able to pay the madness bonus cost.
A wheel makes all players discard their hands and draw cards, but you can prevent your opponents from drawing with Narset, Parter of Veils and Notion Thief. Notion is $0.50 not $2. With one of these cards in your control then your opponents don't draw cards after they discard their hands.
For the manabase you would be better off playing more basic lands then lands that always ETB tapped such as the three Vivids, Transguild Promenade, Cinder Barrens, etc. Exotic Orchard could replace Promenade. My advice for the manabase on a budget is build it around more basic lands and include dual lands that have interaction with basic lands or are good budget dual lands:
- Shivan Reef: less than $1.
- Grixis Panorama
- Sunken Hollow
- Smoldering Marsh
- Sulfur Falls
- Dragonskull Summit
- Graven Cairns
- Choked Estuary
- Foreboding Ruins
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
It also looks like you're sort of trying to storm off maybe? Or are you aiming for a token horde?
I'd recommend a primary Storm plan with a secondary token flood with cards like Young Pyromancer. Empty the Warrens is great regardless of if you want to take the storm path, but Grapeshot and Brain Freeze, as well as Haze of Rage, are pretty solid win conditions.
Use to look for 1-mana red spells that draw a card. With those and Kykar, you can chain together a crapton of spells in a single turn.
Also, Battlefield Forge, Shivan Reef, Cascade Bluffs, Mystic Gate, Rugged Prairie, Skycloud Expanse, Sulfur Falls, Glacial Fortress, Clifftop Retreat should fix those 9 taplands you've got. They are all about $3 or less on TCGPlayer last I checked, so they shouldn't be too expensive.
1 month ago
When playing four or more colors, it's always handy to have some more lands that can give you any color! City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Tarnished Citadel, MAYBE a Gemstone Mine or Gemstone Caverns could work! You also really should include shock lands. The fetch lands say search for a x or a y, but they do NOT say basic. Thus, if you had a Wooded Foothills you could search for a Breeding Pool, etc, giving you two color choices. Thus, it might be nice to add more fetches, even if they aren't in your exact colors! Why? Well, there's two reasons. 1, a Bloodstained Mire can still give you virtually any color you need if you include the shock lands, as it could search for a Stomping Ground, Sacred Foundry, or Steam Vents. These also will give you TWO landfall triggers, because the fetch land enters and then the shock land! Thus, adding some more fetches might prove to be very useful! Maybe fabled passage too, because it will also give you two triggers. Also, if you are going to include pain lands (like Shivan Reef) and filter lands (like Wooded Bastion), I would consider putting the rest that are in your colors in the deck as well. Also, you may want to consider cards that can get you extra triggers for landfall like Burgeoning, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, and Oracle of Mul Daya! And before I forget, Ramunap Excavator is like a second Crucible of Worlds, and lets you use a fetch land infinitely, meaning two landfall triggers per turn without needing any more lands: just one fetch and itself.
In the end, I mainly think you should add other fetches that are not in your colors, adding shock lands because they are good and can be searched for with the fetches, adding multicolor lands like City of Brass, and possibly adding the rest of the filter lands and pain lands! This may have been a bit confusing, sorry I'm in a rush, but either way hope it helps and have a great day!