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Shivan Reef Discussion
17 hours ago
Not sure 100%; I actually built the deck before they even made Zndrsplt and Okaum (Started off with Ruhan of the Fomori, then Keranos, God of Storms. Printing the coin flip partners inflated the price of the deck a lot. Keep in mind, for a Commander deck, this price is actually considered "budget", but swapping out Ral Zarek, Goblin Bomb, Fiery Gambit, Lightning Greaves, Shivan Reef and Karplusan Minotaur would save you a total of $32 bringing the cost of the deck down to $55. Chance Encounter is $10 and Krark's Thumb is around $6, but they are both pretty much win conditions of the deck (although the deck will still be fun and depending on the power level of your playgroup you might be able to afford keeping them out). Feel free to start off without those cards though, and replace them with something else initially (counterspells and removal probably, or ways to protect your creatures).
If you removed every card that I mentoned and replaced them with cards that you already had, you'd be saving around $47, and even then you could replace Puppet's Verdict, Mystic Confluence, Game of Chaos, Counterspell and Strionic Resonator for cheaper cards, saving $13 extra bringing the total savings up to $61
Basically what I'm saying is that if you really wanted to go budget, you could probably manage to make the deck for around $20-$30 (although I may be missing cards with "unknown" costs and other factors such as rounding error and the extra price that card shops tack on). I can try to make a budget list but I won't be playtesting it so I can't tell you 100% if it works. Hope this helps!
6 days ago
Hey, I saw that you were looking for advice and there are a couple things that I could recommend. I'll go over a couple things, but I'll start off with the manabase since you said it was the thing you were looking to change most. Also, it's a bit long, but it should help you for what kind of a manabase makes a competitive one.
First off, there are several good replacements for duals, first and foremost being shocks, but since it looks like you already have those looks like you're already half way there.
Basically I would focus on removing any and all lands that come in tapped, because if you want your deck to be competitive, you need to be sure that every turn you take is as optimized as possible. A turn where you could be doing two manas worth of stuff you are only doing 1 manas worth of stuff which essentially means you are playing a turn behind. It's a bit of a simplistic way of explaining it, but that is the best explanation why without going into too much detail. Other lands I would highly recommend, firstly, are the pain lands. These are very effective replacements as well. ( Sulfurous Springs, Underground River and Shivan Reef ) find homes in many competitive decklists you will find. The filter lands are pretty good replacements as well, as they get you the colors you need with added fixing. They only issue is that the t1 plays they provide can be kind of awkward, but should only be really taken into consideration the faster and faster your deck is; In your case they should be a good fit though! They are Sunken Ruins, Graven Cairns and Cascade Bluffs. Also, it may seem weird, but adding every kind of fetch that can even get you one of your colors effectively gives you access to all the colors you could need! You could run all 9 fetches besides Windswept Heath, which seems like a pretty good deal to me, though if you have to pick and chose I would focus on the ones that give you your most important color (blue) first. This goes the extra mile in truly "optimizing" your mana base, and over the long run it thins your deck and makes it more consistent.
All in all, the changes I would make would look something like this -Canyon Slough, -Crumbling Necropolis, -Grixis Panorama, -Path of Ancestry, -Smoldering Marsh -Sunken Hollow, -Temple of Deceit, -Temple of Epiphany, -Temple of the False God
and do this
+Sulfurous Springs, +Underground River, +Shivan Reef, +Sunken Ruins, +Graven Cairns, +Cascade Bluffs, +Cephalid Coliseum, also these are pretty good, but the worst of the bunch I've recommended, +River of Tears, +Tainted Isle, +Tainted Peak. Additionally Ancient Tomb is amazing as well, so I would recommend that as a long term investment too. (plus it goes in every edh deck ever so it's non-exclusive!).
Apart from lands, there are a couple of things that I think you could use to increase the consistency of your deck and some of the combos that you seem to be going for. Going over enchantment's first, as there is a short list, I would consider taking them all out personally. Search for Azcanta Flip is a more value oriented card popular in decks that try to attain long term value and want games to go long. Storm isn't quite looking for this, and for that, I think it doesn't do enough for what 2 mana will grant you especially if you are looking to "speed up" the deck. Very often competitive decks can't afford to play things that don't do anything right away, so even though the card is great, it needs to fit a certain role in a deck. I also think that Jace's Sanctum also comes to the "too slow" argument as well, but I think that if you are looking at least for a semi-competitive option, this is fine to keep in. Also for Thousand-Year Storm I have seen some discussion floating around in the competitive community that it could work really well as a win con in a similar oriented style deck, but the huge argument is paying 6 mana for a spell that doesn't do anything, or win you the game right away. Regardless, I think for what your deck has going thousand-year storm seems like it could prove well if it is working well for you.
Otherwise, there are just a couple of cards such as Jaya Ballard, and Docent of Perfection Flip that really stuck out to me. Personally, I don't think that the amount of mana they are is really worth the investment, and I would rather play cards that help setup the win. To go off this, I noticed that you were playing Isochron Scepter, so why not replace those other cards and play Dramatic Reversal which is a near 2 card combo with the scepter? To utilize this combo you would need to play more things that tap to give you mana, but adding mana rocks will make your deck faster and I would recommend adding more anyways. In general this combo is low investment, high reward because none of the cards that you play to make the combo work arn't progressing you towards your endgame anyways. For the mana rocks you could add, I would highly consider cards such as Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox which are the high profile options, but for leaning more on a budget any of the signets are also highly viable (Izzet Signet, Dimir Signet, Rakdos Signet). In general this will increase the speed of your deck and make it more turbo charged. You won't find many competitive decks without these!
Lastly, I'd just like to briefly mention the best counterspells for competitive EDH. In general it is widely agreed upon that for combo decks in general, you want your counterspells to be as cheap and efficient as possible. Some of the most favored are Force of Will (i saw that you have that one), Pact of Negation, Flusterstorm, Delay, Mana Drain and Swan Song (also on the list). Secondarily, people do play Counterspell but it is often outclassed by the ones I mentioned prior. Also, there are other counterspells that people will play for more narrow purposes and should be played specifically for the meta you are expecting to play in. These are Negate, Mental Misstep, Spell Pierce(only for decks looking to win t2-t3 really),Arcane Denial, Remand etc... (here's a useful link if you want to know more: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/5k0tef/a_lexicon_of_cedh_counterspells_and_some/ )
In general I would cut the counters that are 3+ mana, because there are just better options out there if you go looking, and hopefully that page can give you some good insight for what counterspells are the right choice for you. And that will about wrap things up for me without going in too deep.
Yeah, so I could go over every card piece by piece, but that would probably be an entire article on it's own. It really because what makes a deck "competitive" is kind of an ambiguous term in the grand scheme of things. I'm not 100% sure every recommendation I make fits what you are looking for, so it's hard to analyze what cards are truly good/bad without sitting down and discussing it directly. Also, since there are legitimately several different version of a deck that 1 commander could hold, I think I'll just leave you with some resources that can further your cEDHing. Here are some of the competitive edh resources that I like to visit, and hopefully they can serve you well too!
also here is my Kess storm decklist if you want to take a look!: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nekusar-we-legacy-storm-now-cedh/
It's always good to have another person in the community, so I'm glad that your interest has been peaked! Hope to see you around and feel free to message me if you have any other questions!
2 weeks ago
The amount of card advantage that Edric generates for you is worth the downside of giving your opponents cards every now and then. Your deck is built around maximising CA by running a swarm of unblockable creatures. Your opponents might turn sideways wit ha dork every now and then but cannot keep up. Combine this with a bunch of extra turn spells and you just snowball into chaining take extra turn spells.
If you want to make Isochron Scepter do work, you're best pairing it with Dramatic Reversal, as well as running Paradox Engine. The least number of combo pieces you have to assemble, the better. The benefit of that one is that you take advantage of your rocks/dorks (if you're running green) that you would already be playing. And this way, the combo only costs 4 mana to play and start, rather than 9 mana.
When it comes to mana base, you can sink a lot of money into it to make it good. As a general rule for building your mana base, you want to avoid lands that enter tapped. Your primary function for lands is to provide fast fixing. So cards like Command Tower, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, pain lands like Shivan Reef, shocks like Steam Vents, etc. are all good.
2 weeks ago
thanks for the ideas. I think I have a few of the lands you were talking about. I am sure I have a Shivan Reef and a Detection Tower around. I do have Ashnod's Altar in the deck already its just an old one. Other wise I like your ideas thank you eatmygender.
2 weeks ago
Painlands! Painlands are great. Enemy painlands are nice and cheap, so pick up a Yavimaya Coast and a Shivan Reef! Hand Lands also end up useful, but only early on. If you feel like spending a bit extra, pick up a Rootbound Crag and a Hinterland Harbor. Charisma looks like fun here, and Temur Charm gives you a nice toolbox. As for sac outlets, I can't recommend Ashnod's Altar enough, but it's a tad pricey so you should definitely save up before spending money on it. Spawning Pit and High Market are great too! Detection Tower might be important against builds like Sigarda, Heron's Grace if you need Yasova to get through, and Talent of the Telepath fits the gameplan p well. Sry for the pricey cards, I just felt like a good upgrade path was important here, don't rush to get these!
1 month ago
1 month ago
Also Shivan Reef. Fumarole may be too slow for this deck, only run 2 max