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|Premium Deck Series: Fire and Lightning (PD2)||Uncommon|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Uncommon|
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Creature — Elemental
If a red instant or sorcery spell you control would deal damage, it deals double that damage instead.
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Fire Servant Discussion
6 days ago
Garmads I wouldn't take out Aggravated Assault because it's way too fun for that. Kaboom! is definitely a must have because it's so much fun and it adds the randomness that red can give you. Dualcaster Mage, Fire Servant, Tunneling Geopede, Sunbird's Invocation, Stolen Strategy, Thieves' Auction and Bonus Round are also really fun.
for a more budget and casual version. maybe take a look at my deck: Neheb, The Fireflinger (MRB-Ramp)
3 weeks ago
The rest of the cards I have in my burn deck that differ from your list revolved around me emptying my hand to allow ensnaring bridge to protect me. They may or may not meet your criteria (and most probably don't as they just double the initial lightning bolt but some are direct damage) but thought I'd list them anyway:
Cursed Scroll, Isochron Scepter, Firestorm, Fire Servant, Hazoret the Fervent, Masticore, Dual Casting, Harness the Storm, Pyromancer Ascension, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, Increasing Vengeance, Searing Blood, Skullcrack, Thunderous Wrath, Harsh Mentor
1 month ago
The curve feels too high, and some of your card choices are fairly low-impact. Cunning Sparkmage and Vulshok Sorcerer are best in combo lists ( Banishing Knack/Intruder Alarm/Cowardice/Fractured Loyalty/Power of Fire ) where they are a win condition rather than anything playing more linear, because 1 damage/turn for three mana is weak on its own.
They can work in more casual Deep-Slumber Titan lists. With Goblin Fireslinger existing though, (used for the bloodthirst mechanic) they almost never see play. Gorgon's head synergy just isn't reliable enough to see play outside Brigid, Hero of Kinsbaile commander, and is best non-budget for Basilisk Collar.
Looking for that kind of synergy is exactly the right mindset for effective budget deckbuilding, you just need to get used to all the options so you can find the good stuff.
Its best to go hard on exactly what you want to do with a deck, especially as a budget list. Expensive cards are usually the most versatile cards (or cards with no alternatives). So to play budget effectively, you need a strategy that keeps cropping up in MTG and go all-in. A direct damage burst with Quest is a good choice, and so is the incredible efficiency of Shrapnel Blast, so lets build around those. You want to spend a single turn taking somone from 14-15 to 0 with artifacts on the field.
Go to gatherer, advanced search. Search for red enchantments that might sit alongside quest to help hit that 'eight copy reliable' stage. Anything that catches your eye, add it to the maybeboard, so you can see how much each card costs. We can also do a search for 'double damage' and 'whenever a source damage' to pick up other likely options.
Don't grab cards costing 6 or more mana, because unless you build your entire deck to cast them, you'll never cast them. Assault Strobe, Temur Battle Rage, Dictate of the Twin Gods ( Fire Servant ), ( Curse of Bloodletting )Insult,Overblaze, The Flame of Keld all stand out to me.
But with them all sitting in or around the 5 mana slot, or being creatures pump spells, suddenly we have some deckbuilding restrictions. We need either a bunch of damage on the field which we abruptly double and win, or to spend five mana getting one to the battlefield then cast a bunch of spells.
So lets look at the tools mono-red has to do that. For the former, there are agressive creatures like Keldon Marauders, Mogg Fanatic, Mortarpod, , Seal of Fire Zektar Shrine Expedition, Emberwilde Augur etc, for the latter Fling Spark Elemental etc.
Getting a big list of all the options then picking the best, looking at both price and effect is a good habit to get into with deckbuilding- Learning to trim the fat and spot strong options helps immensely with draft formats, and can help massively streamline your lists. If you are having trouble finding options, look into the archived standard deckbuilding discussions for an archetype that might have useful tools, and steal those.
Just remember, redundant copies of any spell makes it good, and casting spells on turns 1-2-3 is very good.
1 month ago
Magma Jet and other lesser known burn cards are essentially in every set. Things like Gisela, Blade of Goldknight exist, and it might be cool to see that as a secondary archetype or whatnot. This can be achieved with more somewhat Giselas or more specific upmost like Fire Servant. Im also wondering if a tok n rout would be possible. I dont know, but I hope this helps.
1 month ago
TheGeneralAdvisor , if I cut Rapacious One, Sin Prodder, Cudgel Troll, Flamespeaker's Will, Clan Defiance, Soul's Fire, Fire Servant, and Nessian Game Warden and considered adding Gruul Signet, Rampant Growth, Birds of Paradise, and Kodama's Reach, along with filling in more lands, do you think that would fix the mana problem, considering Ive already got 3 mana dorks. Maybe also adding in Manamorphose somewhere?
3 months ago
multimedia no worries! Thank you so so much for the help!
I checked out your elf deck, awesome coding! And is that Quenya from Lord of the Rings I see? Respect!
I was wondering if you'd be okay if I posted your comments and my following response on my deck page; I like to have everything in one place and the comments don't delete there as they do on the wall. let me know!
Now, to respond to all the suggestions! Again thank you for the advice!
First off I'd like to mention that I'm not a huge fan of most X-spells, and I wanted to stray away from them somewhat because I know that's what many people are going to to with F&S. I understand the value of X-spells with F&S is huge here, but they kinda need a ton of mana pumped into them, and I don't think Boros can consistently do that. In situations where I can't get Neheb, the Eternal to stick they become less effective, even if X = 10 and I gain 100+ life, it doesn't seem worth it to me because now I've just pissed off the other 3-5 players and will probably be crippled by the clapback. Second, I'm trying to focus on Sunforger and my combos a lot more, as I think that is what will make my deck stand out when all is said and done. So Combo/sunforger first, value/x-spells second. I don't want to strip stuff away from my Sunforger for more X-spells because I feel like I'll want Sunforger goodness more. So there's some thoughts that will hopefully explain my choices and why I will or won't take some of your suggestion :)
- Doubling Cube: I think you over value this somewhat. To make it produce 4 or more mana(making it better than just any mana rock), I already need 10 mana out. So that's a while before I feel it really benifits me. I'll test it though!
Earthquake, Rolling Earthquake: I think I covered these well enough. Again I want to emphasize that I just don't want them personally, and I know that X-spells are a great way to go with this commander. Will definitely keep them in the back of my head :)
Breath of Darigaaz, Hour of Devastation, Price of Progress, Acidic Soil: these are all great damage options, and I'll be testing them out along with all the ones I got in there now, like Flame Rift, Flamebreak, Fiery Confluence, etc. Time will tell which ones are the best.
Gamble: I'm gonna be straight up with you, I hate Gamble. I've used it and It's awful.
- Faithless Looting, Tormenting Voice, Wild Guess: All good draw options. I'll consider!
- Survival Cache: I really like this one, but the fact that it can't be Sunforged was holding it back over options like Ritual of Rejuvenation and Reviving Dose. Yeah I see the rebound but that's just my philosophy getting in the way of good cards lol.
Winds of Change: I don't consider this card draw, but rather card selection. I find wheels usually help my opponents more anyway.
Mark of Asylum: Yeah this is a good one that I should find room for.
- Furnace of Rath: Out due to aggro meta :(
Hopefully all that makes some sense.
Again I definitely see the reasoning for all of the suggestions. Just not the direction I want to go :)
- Expedition Map needed to grab Inventors' Fair and Mistveil Plains.
- Book of Rass mid/late game draw that's a good mana sink more Neheb and a huge lifegain payoff. Also part of my beloved janky combo :)
- Basilisk Collar figured I'd be nice to snipe some big creatures, but I suppose if I'm dealing enough damage in the first place that's not needed. Probable cut.
- Swiftfoot Boots I kinda need the protection. there won't be many creatures out wth me wiping the coard so much so my creatures will be big targets.
- Strionic Resonator Can probably be cut, your right.
Painter's Servant I want my janky value! :D
- Thalia's Lancers gets Neheb or Gisela
- Stonehewer Giant gets sunforger, can also be a sweet combat trick with enough mana; two to find sunforger and two more to use sunforger to cast a life saving spell. Still, he costs a lot so maybe he'll be cut.
- Brass Squire probably cut, but is really good with sunforger.
- Imperial Recruiter gets Treasonous Ogre, Weathered Wayfarer and Painter's Servant
- Weathered Wayfarer gets Inventors' Fair and Mistveil Plains. not sure if you've ever played Boros but this kind of stuff is necessary, trust me.
- Fire Servant probable cut. I agree.
Generator Servant But he's so goooood. Turn 4 hasty F&S. Total pet card.
Teferi's Protection - essential part of my sunforger package. Way too good to now use.
- Tithe - can get Mistveil Plains and helps me hit those land drops. This is usually the first Sunforger target just to get the M-Plains.
- Open the Armory gets sunforger. I need all the consistency I can get.
Again thank you so so so much for the advice! Let me know if I can post it on the deck.
I don't want you to think I don't appreciate all the help and suggestions, I really do! It's just that this time around I have a different vision for my deck that a lot of these can't fit into. Thanks again friend!