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Rite of Replication
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of target creature. If Rite of Replication was kicked, put five of those tokens onto the battlefield instead.
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Rite of Replication Discussion
23 hours ago
Kamigawa dragons Keiga, the Tide Star and Yosei, the Morning Star are great on their own in this deck. However, along with them, run Rite of Replication because of how you can combo it with these dragons by targeting one or the other with kicker. For Keiga, this means stealing 5 creatures. For Yosei, this means tapping 25 permanents and skipping up to 5 untap steps spread amongst your opponents, and this effect can stack too; say you only have one opponent and you get this combo off, that opponent can't untap for 5 turns in a row while 25 (basically all) their stuff is tapped, effectively giving you 5 extra turns in a row. And you get to keep your original Yosei or Keiga. And with those dragons on the field, using Rite of Replication to copy, say, Sunscorch Regent 5 times is still pure value given Ojutai's effect. Also, I'd run Cyclonic Rift over those blue "wipes" any day. Sleep is better than Icy Blast. Blind Obedience over Kismet which helps snag all players and is more political. As for counterspells, you have a lot of cheap options with this commander. Counterspell should be a staple for control decks, as leaving up 2 islands is not at all an investment. Silumgar's Scorn to get a second one. Stubborn Denial and Swan Song are great for what they do, and Mystic Confluence and Cryptic Command for great utility. Wouldn't run the Gideon because he doesn't offer much for the deck really. Nevinyrral's Disk should probs get replaced by Hour of Revelation for it will only ever cost 3 white mana in a multiplayer game, and Nevinyrral's gives your opponents too much time to prepare for it while also painting a target on your back. I think those are the main points for now. +1 from me. I'm a sucker for anything Ojutai; I used to run a voltron control deck with Dragonlord Ojutai, and now I run a voltron/control/spell-sling with Taigam, Ojutai Master at Ojutai's Mystification.
1 day ago
Now for some cuts:Gamble is bad, and it will make you feel bad. If you want a tutor, you are better off using a cheap black one. Increasing Ambition is a card you can use for example. Cabal Ritual and Dark Ritual are only good for Torment of Hailfire and otherwise they suck in your deck. I'd only keep them if you want your wincon for your deck to be casting and copying cards with big effects like that such as in Cruel Ultimatum, Ribbons, or Exsanguinate, which you could make your wincon, but you'd have to change around your deck. Izzet Charm is a storm card, you don't want this. Secrets of the Dead is way too slow. Just putting in a Sire of Stagnation or something would be most of the time way more efficient.Jace's Sanctum, while not bad, should be replaced by a card coming in Ixalan, Primal Amulet.
I think that the biggest problem with this deck is that it doesn't know how to win. Control with Kess can win in two ways. 1. Infinite Combo (with Laboratory Maniac and Demonic Consultation, Kokusho, the Evening Star and Rite of Replication, or some variation of the Splinter Twin combo). 2. Winning off of either one-shotting or hitting hard over a few turns with cards like Torment of Hailfire that I mentioned before, preferably copying those spells with Increasing Vengeance or Reiterate. You could put an infinite mana combo using Palinchron and Deadeye Navigator in too if you want to go that route.
This should cover most of my complaints. If you still need more things to cut, you probably don't need so many one mana draw spells. They get worse the more there are in your deck. You should really only be using them for the occasional extra draw with Kess when you have nothing to do with her, so only keep the most efficient ones like Gitaxian Probe and Brainstorm, etc.
1 day ago
Here are some suggestions: Talent of the Telepath lets you use the opponents removal (like if you need exile or enchantment removal), generate value, or it can be an emergency cultivate or something against a green player. Also its cheap. Memory Plunder is in a similar vein. Better when you need a specific spell, but it doesn't mill potential combo pieces, etc. Vandalblast is a great one sided artifact removal, and kess can cast it twice. Nightscape Familiar is a great cost reducer I don't see. Dack Fayden should be in your deck. At the minimun it's often ramp (can steal their mana rocks) or looting for what you need. At most it steals their combos. Toxic Deluge is one of the best board wipes in commander.Sire of Stagnation is great draw that makes opponents hesitant to play lands and can exile key cards. Sphinx of the Final Word this might only perform well in a certain meta, but worth considering. Imprisoned in the Moon You can't repeat this but its worth it. Shut down their commanders. Reliquary Tower Pretty self explanatory in edhDesolate Lighthouse is a great looting tool when you want itDemonic Consultation instant wins with Laboratory Maniac.
These next two are probably too expensive right now, but I am mentioning them because they are being reprinted in Iconic Masters which comes out in November so they're price will go down. Consecrated Sphinx great drawKokusho, the Evening Star usually kills all opponents with kicked Rite of Replication
3 days ago
3 days ago
I love using my morph deck: the interactions are great, but winning is a challenge.
Since Animar, Soul of Elements is my commander, my colors are U/R/G.
I'm open to any suggestions, even if they aren't necessarily creature spells.
3 days ago
If you ran Deepglow Skate, you could add more planeswalkers to the deck to allow them to activate the ults immediately. Alchemist's Refuge and Leyline of Anticipation giving you flash is good to use Ramos on other player's turns, plus they go well with Seedborn Muse if you have it. Flameshadow Conjuring, Deadeye Navigator, Eerie Interlude, Faith's Reward, Progenitor Mimic, Stolen Identity, Rite of Replication, and Clone Legion allow you to abuse more ETB effects. Craterhoof Behemoth, Venser, Shaper Savant, Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Zealous Conscripts, Acidic Slime, Chancellor of the Forge, Chancellor of the Spires, Sepulchral Primordial, Luminate Primordial, Duplicant, Dragonlord Silumgar, Sower of Temptation, Hornet Queen, Deranged Hermit, Myr Battlesphere, Angel of Invention, Cultivator of Blades, have great ETB effects to be abused. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Cytoplast Manipulator work really well with the Marchesa, the Black Rose you're running. Necropolis Regent, Master Biomancer, Reyhan, Last of the Abzan, Death's Presence, Experiment Kraj, and Verdurous Gearhulk are great for building up creatures with lots of +1/+1 counters. Greater Good, Prime Speaker Zegana, and Tishana, Voice of Thunder are great card draw sources for this deck. If you reanimate creatures from the graveyard often enough, Flayer of the Hatebound is strong in that department, and if you're looking for more big damage/lifeloss effects, Warstorm Surge, Stalking Vengeance, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord, and Pathbreaker Ibex are good as wel. Conflux is really strong with Ramos in play, especially with Sakashima the Impostor copying him. If don't mind it being janky, you can copy your Panharmonicon by turning it into a creature with Karn, Silver Golem or March of the Machines. Take it a step further by adding Opalescence so your enchantments can be copied too. Ultimately, this is just supposed to be a big list of cards to draw inspiration from, not to all be added to the deck.
3 days ago
Very nice decklist! I've also been trying to create a moderately competitive ur-dragon shell after opening the C17 precon because I've found him to be such a fun commander.
A few questions:
Is there any particular reason you decided to drop Broodmate Dragon? He's actually one of my favorite dragons to play since it counts as a double etb trigger for cards like Temur Ascendancy, Kindred Discovery , Dragon Tempest etc.
It's always nice to find others to bounce ideas off of. Happy deck building!
BrettonTheKid, I've personally found Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund to be more trouble than he's worth. Depending on your playgroup, a lot of popular EDH spells targeting Karrthus can steal a winning board away from you. I'm talking about common EDH staples such as Rite of Replication, Bribery, various reanimate effects, and clone effects (which don't target).
6 days ago
Ghostly Flicker and Rite of Replication both remain because of their different applications outside of the combo, as you said. Ghostly Flicker gets value out of some of our ETB wizards and, in the worst case, is expensive protection for our high value wizards. Rite of Replication can see huge results if we copy or kick copy something valuable.
I would remove Rite of Replication. It's more of a pet card for me at this point; yes, it can be valuable, but often a bit slow. The others are far faster combo pieces and have more inherent value.
Against the dragon deck I will be playing against, the matchup is difficult. Grixis has a tough time dealing with enchantments, and the brew my friend plays utilizes them heavily. I have to mulligan for counters and removal and often wind up losing tempo because I have to be wary of him casting huge fliers such as Scion of the Ur-Dragon that become difficult to get rid of.
I don't think the life loss should be too worrisome. We don't have many effects that drain ourselves, and if you're looking to combo out quickly then life shouldn't matter too much in my opinion.