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When Fierce Empath enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a creature card with converted mana cost 6 or more, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.
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Fierce Empath Discussion
1 day ago
Fierce Empath is really good with woodland bellower.
possible cuts could include
I have a ramp deck I've been working on as well that could use another set of eyes on if you don't mind, Radha, Butcher of Keld. Thanks!
1 week ago
Nice deck! Very smashy-smashy!
Have you considered some of the "6 or more converted mana cost" cards from Scourge? I think Fierce Empath and Krosan Drover would be right at home in this build. Also, take a look at Drumhunter. It'll get you some card draw and accelerate you a bit.
1 week ago
Consecrated Sphinx (draw engine that hits things)
Decree of Pain (Draw engine board whipe OR uncounterable board wipe with a draw)
Fierce Empath (Creature tutor that tutors creatures)
Forbid (With damia, the buyback isnt even that big of a drawback)
Green Sun's Zenith (ALL THE TUTORS!)
Increasing Ambition (MOAR TUTORS!)
Mystical Teachings (tutors!)
Phyrexian Delver (high value creature; only life point that matters is your last)
Protean Hulk (Stupidly high value creature they unbanned)
Putrefy (more removal because the deck needs it)
Sakura-Tribe Elder (Ramp and a blocker... just good)
Solemn Simulacrum (Ramp and draw... just good value)
Spell Crumple (Get tucked nerd)
Sylvan Tutor (Tutors = consistency = win)
Swan Song (Cheaper counters)
Tooth and Nail (Blightsteel Colossus + Torrential Gearhulk = crazy value; so many options)
Toxic Deluge (Awesome removal spell)
Venser, Shaper Savant (removal/counterspell on a creature)
Volrath's Stronghold (recur creatures with a land. Nuff said)
Vraska the Unseen (removal and a walker)
Worldly Tutor (Tutors = consistency = wins)
Asceticism (just counter stuff)
Collective Voyage (Symetrical, therefore not helpful)
Coiling Oracle (not strong enough)
Consuming Aberration (just a big fatty... but rarely game swinging)
Darksteel Citadel (I have no clue why you would need an indestructible artifact land)
Devastation Tide (Sorcery therefore too slow & you'll have better options)
Dissipate (You only need about 10 counterspells; this one is just a cut to make room for better cards since you had 11 counters)
Dissolve (getting replaced by Forbid)
Evacuation (better options available)
Far Wanderings (Slow ramp)
Horizon Chimera (I'm not sure you need the life gain so badly that he has to stay, and he's not here for any other purpose. I think you have enough gain with Scooze and Obnoxious)
Isochron Scepter (too likely to get you 2-for-1'd)
Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix (not good on its own)
Leyline of Anticipation (Your deck already has a good half of its castable cards at instant speed)
Naturalize (you are adding enough artifact/enchant removal... should be ok to cut)
Neurok Stealthsuit (just counter stuff)
Rewind (Expensive, and that untapped mana is so rarely relevant in my experience)
Rupture Spire (bad land, and your deck is stable enough with land)
Thing in the Ice Flip (too slow/not good on its own)
Thrasios, Triton Hero (you have tasigur and a ton of ways to tutor him up... probably dont need the "2nd copy" of tasigur)
Time Stop (it's just so expensive)
Exploration (to ramp up to Damia and then let her refill your hand letting you play tons of lands all the time)
Exsanguinate (This provides a wincon or a source of lifegain in a pinch... but I'm not sure you need lifegain that badly, and no good deck will let you kill them with a massive exsanguinate... so if you don't need it for lifegain, you just don't need it).
Courser of Kruphix (same lifegain boat... requires testing to see if he might be needed, although at that point it would be worth looking into boarding Horizon Chimera back in, or maybe running a Wurmcoil Engine).
Fierce Empath allows for a lot of stability with fetching, which is where I am trying to cut off some of the lower curve of your creature base when you have more powerful options available at higher costs, and can spend the first turns of the game trying to keep opponents off of pulling too far ahead of any one other player. Early turns can also be spend casting any of your many tutors to set yourself up.
Similarly I am trying to develop the deck with a lot of cards which have high power and also provide a high level of consistency by tutoring in one way or another, examples being Increasing Ambition, Protean Hulk, Mystical Teachings (which can fetch Torrential Gearhulk, Venser, Shaper Savant, Snapcaster Mage, and Teferi, Mage of Zalfir).
So these suggestions are supposed to bring about consistency in the deck and therefore achieve power by method of consistency. It makes the deck very slow and you'll have to get really good at shuffling and making snap decisions for finding cards from teh deck when you tutor, but from my experience playing control sharuum, consistency is king for control decks, and having just a few high power creatures should be enough to win you games.
1 week ago
Hello, multimedia. Thank you very much for you help!
Fauna Shaman & Gaea's Herald : I will definitely look for these cards, they would be a huge help. I would probably replace Weird Harvest, but I'm not sure with Autumn's Veil. I just wanted that extra coverage.
Fierce Empath : I took him out initially because I only had 1 creature with more than 6 cmc (Regal Force). I wanted to keep it pure tribal as possible, but I guess it may not work out... I'll try out Garruk's Horde (extra hand) , Thunderfoot Baloth (extra damage), & Lifeblood Hydra (extra draw/mana sink). On a side note: I've been thinking about using Nylea, God of the Hunt for her mana ability. What are your thoughts?
Lead the Stampede : I never thought about using this spell that way. It does seem like I would rather have creatures than lands later in the game. Maybe I will take that over Gift of the Gargantuan. I'm not so sure about taking out Crop Rotation and Sylvan Scrying, I need them to tutor Wirewood Lodge and/or Maze of Ith for faster infinite mana.
Harmonize : I had this card before, but I felt that it was too slow to include, and it could be countered easily if I didn't have Autumn's Veil, resulting in a waste of mana. However, I do have Momentous Fall, which is an instant, and since I may be including bigger creatures in my deck, I might have a better opportunity to use that draw power.
These suggestions are really wonderful, and it's giving me a much better idea in how I should form this deck. Thank you so much.
1 week ago
If you're afraid of counterspells I suggest Gaea's Herald.
If you're worried about game-ending ability you can adjust your use of Yeva to help with this. Her greatest strength as a Commander is not that she can flash in Elves which is very good, but it's that she can flash in any green creature. Using Elves to make a lot of mana and flashing in big creatures is the power she has. Creatures like Garruk's Horde, Thunderfoot Baloth, Lifeblood Hydra, Hornet Queen, Craterhoof Behemoth, Regal Force who you're already playing, etc. These creatures are not Elf tribal, but they can support Elves while also being finishers. You can use Elves like Fierce Empath or Fauna Shaman to tutor for and get these big creatures into your hand to be able to be able to flash them in.
You've done a really good job building the Elf creature core good card sense I would only add Empath and Fauna.
You can cut some of the lackluster spells such as Weird Harvest, Autumn's Veil, Gift of the Gargantuan, Crop Rotation, Sylvan Scrying for some of these big creatures. However, depending on your budget of course I would first add Fauna Shaman because she's really great with Yeva's flash ability being able to tutor for certain creatures who you can then flash into play, she's also an Elf.
Good luck with your deck.
1 week ago
Aranan That's some good questions. The first two questions kind of answer eachother. One of my most common targets to search for with Fierce Empath is Regal Force itself, which is also one of the reasons why I play it over Shamanic Revelation. But let's go about it one by one:
First is Fierce Empath. It can tutor for Bane of Progress when you need to wipe the board clean, Craterhoof Behemoth when you need to finish off your opponents, Regal Force if you have an established board and need to replenish your hand, Terastodon if you need to blow stuff up (usually lands) or finally, it can tutor Woodland Bellower if you need to get a utility creature like Eternal Witness, Ramunap Excavator or a wincon like Sylvan Safekeeper. OR you can even cast Woodland Bellower to fetch Fierce Empath who can then get a big creature like Regal Force! I think Fierce Empath more than pulls it's weight in this deck and combined with Woodland Bellower, provides a fantastic 1-2 punch where drawing either one of them allows you to tutor up any creature in your deck (notice i have zero 4-5 cmc creatures in the deck).
Now for Regal Force itself. Often times you'll find yourself with a nearly empty hand pretty early in the game and being in monogreen you don't have a thousand ways to replenish your hand. If you're in a position to draw a lot of cards from either Regal Force or Shamanic Revelation, you're usually also flush with mana. In this case I think the reliability of card draw being just a tutor away is much more important than the barely cheaper cost. There's also a few things to consider: You can cheat it into play with Natural Order, tutor for it with all your tutors, provides a body for Gaea's Cradle, Earthcraft, Greater Good, etc. AND don't forget it also counts itself when it enters the battlefield. So you might be paying 2 more than Shamanic Revelation but you're also drawing 1 extra card.
Now for The Great Aurora, that card is ridiculously good in Titania. You say it doesn't win you the game when you play it, but I honestly can't see how you can possibly lose when you play it. Consider this: Every token you have gets counted when you shuffle it into your library, meaning you'll typically have MANY TIMES more cards drawn from it than your opponents. Second, all lands enter the battlefield UNTAPPED, which means you can easily start casting a whole bunch of spells again immediately after it resolves. Not to mention that you could easily produce a massive amount of mana with something like Gaea's Cradle, cast The Great Aurora, keep some mana floating, shuffle shuffle, drop lands, tap them all, then cast every spell in your hand immediately before ending your turn. I almost always find myself in a position to win on my next turn after casting it. Finally there's also the benefit that it completely erases everyone's board and completely randomizes what they get back, so casting it when you're in a bit of trouble will usually be enough to save your bacon.
It's a pretty typical play for me to cast it with 3-4 mana left floating, draw 20 new cards, drop all my lands into play, tap them all, cast a whole bunch of stuff and end my turn with 60+ power on the board. I also often cast it when I'm stuck in a position where I can't do much. Say my opponent has a Linvala, Keeper of Silence in play, or an opponent just needs to untap to win and I can't get lethal damage through, or they have a Moat in play, etc. The Great Aurora will fix that for you. You COULD always replace it with Tooth and Nail but honestly just don't see it being that much better and also doesn't have the same utility. It's a cheap card, I say try it out and if it's not to your liking replace it with something else.
If you have any other questions or comment I would absolutely love to answer them!
2 weeks ago
Fierce Empath has potential too, to help me find one of my non-hydra big creatures. Hard to think what I'd remove for it though.
2 weeks ago
Nice Titania deck, flying_toaster. I love the low average CMC, especially. I found your list while searching some old cEDH posts on Reddit, and I was wondering if you could answer a couple questions about this deck.
What do you usually find yourself tutoring for when you use Fierce Empath? Does it pull its weight for you in this deck?
Do you think Regal Force is better than something like Shamanic Revelation (which costs 2 less and has some incidental life-gain)? The 5/5 body on the Force isn't insignificant, and it's easier to tutor up with green's tutors, but I kind of wonder if the cheaper card would be better.
How has The Great Aurora been for you? That's one heck of an effect, but it's a 9 mana sorcery that doesn't win the game when you play it.