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Enchantment Creature — Hag
Whenever an opponenet draws a card, Fate Unraveler deals 1 damage to that player.
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Fate Unraveler Discussion
3 weeks ago
Your deck is conceptually similar to the Owling Mine deck. That deck uses cards like Boomerang, Eye of Nowhere, Remand and the recently printed Unsubstantiate to disrupt your opponent and keep their hand full. The other cards that play a major part in the deck are Exhaustion and the already suggested Ebony Owl Netsuke.
Now without using blue the best way for you to disrupt your opponent is discard, extraction and potentially land destruction or denial. I'm guessing you are wanting to stay reasonably budget, so maybe Blood Sun could help or the Aftermath effect Rubble on Reduce / Rubble. I suspect that both Fate Unraveler and Teferi's Puzzle Box are too slow, for a 4 drop I might be more tempted by Barbed Shocker or Sudden Impact. I also think you might be able to use Liliana's Caress, Molten Vortex or Wheel of Fate depending on how you want to shape the deck.
1 month ago
Hi there, i'll share all the knowledge i've gathered after playing discard decks for more than 5 years (i've built monoblack creatureless discard, monoblack creature discard, UB discard, RB discard, Grixis discard, specter discard, etc.).
The first i see here is that you don't have anything to deal with the board, so you'll more than probably die to anything that hits the board, even a simple 3/1 two-drop. Your deck relies too much on damaging your opponent through giving him many cards and forcing him to discard not that many; the only card in your deck that punishes him this way is Liliana's Caress and that's it, it's not reliable. You also run two copies of Painful Quandary which it's ideal mechanics are to punish your opponent for having no hand, but since you are forcing him to draw so many cards, he'll always have the option to discard while playing a spell (only taking 2 damage from Liliana's Caress and only if you have the enchant on the battlefield).
You have many cards that allow you or your opponent to draw and discard cards, but you only have Alms of the Vein to exploit this mechanic, so get rid of those or stick in more madness cards.
The description says "the goal of this deck is to get your opponent as low as possible", but you can't do that quickly by relying only on 4 copies of Liliana's Caress while you'll be recieving lot's of threats and hits. Master of the Feast will for sure get destroyed by any of the thousands removal spells you'll force your opponent to draw, so it won't be dealing too much damage if any.
Let's work on the solution. First of all, you need your deck to have more consistant way to deal damage and you also need to get rid of your opponent's threats until you've reached mid-late game and you can develop your winning mechanics.
Since you have almost no creature, let's take advantage of that so that you can trade one card of yours for many cards of your opponent. Good cards to do this, depending on the money you want to spend are, for example, Drown in Sorrow , Yahenni's Expertise , Languish and Damnation.
You also need to be faster or at least to be able to delay your opponent's strategy. A way of doing this is by disrupting his early moves to wreck his plan. Cards like Inquisition of Kozilek , Thoughtseize , Duress and Despise excell at doing so.
To strenghten the draw and discard engine you have many cards at your disposal. I don't know if you want to keep the deck in the modern format or to build a casual free of legal restriction deck, so I'll recommend a variety of cards like Chains of Mephistopheles , Probe , Wheel and Deal , Ill-Gotten Gains , Urza's Guilt , Anvil of Bogardan , Whispering Madness , Dark Deal , Font of Mythos , Forced Fruition , Geier Reach Sanitarium , Memory Jar and Temple Bell.
You need more cards than Liliana's Caress to punish your opponent for discarding or drawing cards. All of these are good for the task, suit yourself: Underworld Dreams , Psychosis Crawler , Fate Unraveler , Waste Not , Megrim and Words of Waste.
Since you and your opponent will be drawing lots of cards, you will be able to discard cards too or abuse your card-drawing. This does not only work well for madness, but also with delve, retrace and other cards. Consider some of these: Chain of Smog , Last Rites , Big Game Hunter , Raven's Crime , Syphon Life , Cunning Lethemancer , Necrogen Mists , Psychotic Haze , Call to the Netherworld , Dark Withering , Gibbering Descent and also Sphinx's Tutelage.
You'll be forcing your opponent to draw many many cards, so you'll need cards that make him discard more than one to win the trade. Consistant massive discard cards are for example this ones: Brink of Madness , Mindstab , Mind Twist , Mind Shatter or Delirium Skeins.
Which ones and how many
Pick the ones you like the most according to their mana costs and their price. Also consider the ammount of black mana symbols in their cost, because you'll be playing a two colors deck.
Try to keep it as balanced as you can in terms of cards functions. Maybe 30% draw/discard engine - 30% draw/discard punishment - 20% massive discard - 10% 1drops quality discard - 10% board whipe. You'll have to test and adjust the numbers.
I know most of those cards are black, but you can keep it UB if you want to. Best version I've made of this strategy was using Grixis (Blue Black and Red) because there's a lot of red cards that force both players to discard and draw like Burning Inquiry and Reforge the Soul for example. Grixis also enables the use of Nekusar, the Mindrazer , Blightning , Sedraxis Specter , Blazing Specter and Dack Fayden.
I hope it's helpful! Best wishes!
1 month ago
I notice your not splashing red (for Sudden Impact or as you mentioned Runeflare Trap and Wheel of Fate might be amusing) or running Kami of the Crescent Moon, is the Ebony Owl Netsuke alone able to provide enough damage?
I guess either splash would raise the cost of the deck a fair bit as you would need fetches and shocks... Have a +1 for a different deck that looks fun.
3 months ago
5 months ago
I've been playing Commander for sometime and of all the commanders out there Nekusar, the Mindrazer is my fav. I know I know he is tier 3 and very much hated (just because some people run infect) but I do think he may be competitive, so I just wanna try him in a competitive scenario. (I also acknowledge that there are "better" Grixis commanders like Kess, Dissident Mage and Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge but I don't like them). I don't know if there are other posts already made regarding this subject and I'm not really into searching because I am lazy to spend some time searching in forums but so far, I got these cards:
Underworld Dreams, Liliana's Caress, Megrim, Wheel of Fortune, Windfall, Molten Psyche, Dark Deal, Wheel and Deal, Chains of Mephistopheles, Teferi's Puzzle Box, Reforge the Soul, Winds of Change, Timetwister, Day's Undoing, Fate Unraveler, Magus of the Jar, Memory Jar and Mindcrank.
I need help to build a Nekusar deck based not only on wheeling but also milling so I got this card Mind Grind for some epic group milling and Mindcrank is amazing. I'm wondering: what other cards must I include in my deck? Should I put stax cards? Pillowforts? What about the mana rocks? And cards like Cabal Ritual, Dark Ritual, Pyretic Ritual, High Tide, Drain Power? How many tutors and fetch lands I must put? - Thanks in advance.
5 months ago
More forced draw/damage you can run are Dictate of Kruphix, Seizan, Perverter of Truth, Fevered Visions, Ebony Owl Netsuke, Howling Mine, Font of Mythos, Well of Ideas, Otherworld Atlas, Underworld Dreams, Fate Unraveler, Kami of the Crescent Moon, Iron Maiden, etc.
I personally do not see how Notion Thief synergizes at all with Nekusar, he may just be control, or I may just be completely stupid.
6 months ago
+1!!! Sheoldred, Whispering One, Elixir of Immortality, Fatal Push, Rise of the Dark Realms, Deathbringer Regent, Eater of Hope, Phthisis, Malakir Cullblade, Abhorrent Overlord, Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet, Fate Unraveler, Consume Spirit, Cabal Ritual -I COULD GIVE YOU MORE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE- JUST TRYING TO HELP OUT!?!