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|Guilds of Ravnica: Mythic Edition (GRNMED)||Mythic Rare|
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Liliana, the Last Hope
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Up to one target creature gets -2/-1 until your next turn.
-2: Put the top two cards of your library into your graveyard, then you may return a creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
-7: You get an emblem with "At the beginning of your end step, create X 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens, where X is two plus the number of Zombies you control."
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Liliana, the Last Hope Discussion
2 days ago
I love me some mono-black. What're your thoughts on including some Liliana, the Last Hope in here?
on BG Midrange
6 days ago
Thanks for the feedback Toak83! I swapped out Birds of Paradise for Liliana of the Veil and Liliana, the Last Hope like you suggested. I agree that Arena is a not so good idea. It's more of a Mono Black devotion card. Too clunky for this build. I swapped 2 Bob for 2 Grim Flayer to lessen that brutal instant death combo Bitterblossom + Dark Confidant
1 week ago
How do you feel about Liliana, the Last Hope over Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip? Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip feels much better in decks with sac effects where you can immediately trigger her, like aristocrats, vs a midrange deck playing the most disruptive and powerful cards possible.
I also still like access to 1-2 Maelstrom Pulse despite the greater flexibility of Assassin's Trophy, random 2 for 1s and killing swaths of Lingering Souls or Young Pyromancer tokens is high utility. I like it more than a random Abrupt Decay anyway, whose targets are much more limited in modern.
1 week ago
Living End is actually the more expensive of the two. Call the Bloodline is really interesting. I will see about making room for it. Cradle of the Accursed and/or Dunes of the Dead would be on theme but I would need some serious convincing because they aren't really all that great. I really like Colfenor's Urn! It pairs really well with Krav's ability. Liliana, the Last Hope is sooper expensive. She's definitely on theme and going in at some time but I can't afford one right now.
Thank you for your suggestions!
2 weeks ago
Would I really need 3x of Liliana, the Last Hope, though? That seems a bit excessive. I agree that Graverobber Spider is a little clunky, and its mana ability comes at a high cost. I mostly like it as a way to diversify the mana cost among my creatures, so I don't just have high mana cost ones and very low cost ones. It also has reach which is very nice. If I took it out of the deck completely, I would just have Abrupt Decay, Bone Splinters, and Fatal Push as ways to get rid of flying creatures other than just blocking. So I'm not sure that it's really worth to completely replace Graverobber Spider with Liliana, the Last Hope. I would maybe consider taking 1x of Graverobber Spider out to make room for Liliana, the Last Hope. Maybe I could take out 1x of Traverse the Ulvenwald and 1x of Graverobber Spider? How does that sound?
2 weeks ago
But is needed at least 2x of it. So the best thing that comes in my mind is to cut all of them and put a 3x of Liliana, making it easier to get in hand or in the graveyard
This would reduce the number of total creatures up to 18 (from 21), but, since the spider isn't there anymore, you have no need to get tons of them in the graveyard, you just need a maximum of 7 of them (1 for the delirium's activation, 7 if you really want to easy cast Molderhulk). So cutting it could be a very good idea.
And, for Mulch, I also agree that it's a bit counterproductive for delirium
For the choice between Birds of Paradise and Stitcher's Supplier, I'd probably choose the birds if you plan to take out the spider and put in liliana, cause with it you could cast liliana on turn 3 instead of 4
2 weeks ago
Hmmm. I think you've offered some good suggestions, but I'm a little attached to the flexibility Birds of Paradise offers. I'm also not entirely sure that I need those extra self-mill cards. Although, I do REALLY like Mulch even though it may seem a little counterproductive to Grim Flayer and Traverse the Ulvenwald. I may replace Grisly Salvage with that. I also do enjoy a good planeswalker, and Liliana, the Last Hope seems to fit well here. I'm just not sure where exactly I would fit her in. If I put her in, I would at least want a 2x set of her. And I'm not sure what I can take out. The only place I see where I could fit her in would be in the sideboard or if I took 1x of Traverse the Ulvenwald out which doesn't seem worth it for a card I would only be able to draw with pure luck. I would love to use her, but I don't see a mainboard place for her with the deck as it is. Let me know if I'm overlooking something, please. I do appreciate the suggestions, and I'll give the mainboard a look-over to see if I can fit Liliana, the Last Hope in anywhere.
2 weeks ago
Sorry to come in on your guy's deck creation but I really like the idea of this deck! I think now that you have the colors sorted Birds of Paradise can be substituted with the before mentioned and mayboarded Stitcher's Supplier. As it keeps the curve low and can allow you to dump creatures into the graveyard. And with cards like Stitcher's Supplier , Grisly Salvage , and Glowspore Shaman this next suggestion just might not have room. But one of my all time favorite self mill cards is Mulch. Lastly, I do like a few main board ways to get your creatures back from the graveyard. A few were already mentioned and if budgeting isn't a problem a card like Liliana, the Last Hope Could be good, she can remove creatures like Phantasmal Image which is popular right now, stops attacks from Spell Queller and much more! she also is the alternate win-con you liked before in door to nothingness she can just plus up and ult some games, especially against control as dealing with planeswalkers is kind of difficult. And a little sidenote her emblem gets you an extra zombie with Stitcher's Supplier, Ghoultree, and Molderhulk as they are all zombies, probably wont be relevant just a neat trick