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Liliana, the Last Hope
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Up to one target creature gets -2/-1 until your next turn.
-2: Put the top two cards of your library into your graveyard, then you may return a creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
-7: You get an emblem with "At the beginning of your end step, put X 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens onto the battlefield, where X is two plus the number of Zombies you control."
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Liliana, the Last Hope Discussion
6 days ago
They all weaken what #1 Black Zombies is trying to do.
Far better to see what you're facing first, then decide whether or not Liliana, the Last Hope is worth swapping in.
I don't think Liliana, Death's Majesty is a better fit.
Liliana, the Last Hope helps to keep herself alive with her +1, her payoff is faster, and her ultimate is just insane in a deck where you can boost Zombies.
6 days ago
After doing some playtesting I found that you really need more fuel for goyf, the Nameless Inversion, and possibly some more sorceries would go a long way. Grim Flayer was great and a smart include on your part, I would consider only playing Liliana of the Veil however as I found I wanted her more so than Liliana, the Last Hope a lot.
1 week ago
Thanks for the upvote and input! I also like Liliana, the Last Hope, but I don't have to deal with many Affinity or Lingering Souls decks, so it's not as important in my meta currently. And as those are prime graveyard removal spells, but Leyline of the Void is so much harder to remove and is better against dredge and Death's Shadow decks.
1 week ago
About the 1/1 that comes from Nest of Scarabs, they can hold the game far enought to your finishers take the game - or they can be finishers itself (not rarely the table become full of them. And by "full" I mean like 10, 12; A single Channeler Initiate with 2 nests in game generates 6 tokens. Westvale Abbey Flip can be easily added in a 2-color deck as yours, using the little 1/1 bastards to transform it.
The cartouche and Trials combo has beem proved not worthy - except in limited formats. The possibility is nice, but in a meta full of fast spot removals, its a risk that we cant afford. But, its just my opinion.
I understood the artifacts point. But I think they are underwhelming cards if compared with others cards with same CMC in your deck. And can be a terrible topdeck. Example: in average, what do you prefer to draw in 4th turn; a Kalitas or a Oracle's Vault? A Kalitas is a good draw when you are ahead or behind in game. Oracle's Vault is better in a very, very specific situation. So, this kind of card only should be used (in a competitive enviroment) in a very, very specific shell. And I dont believe this one is. Sorry if I sound rude or arrogant.
Making a wrap-up, as you asked for, look for these kind of cards (underwhelming). I think;
Oracle's Vault (too situational), Bontu's Monument (life loss at too slow rate), Liliana's Influence (too expensive) can be replaced for better cards, as Liliana, the Last Hope or Ob Nixilis Reignited.
Increase the number of lands.
1 week ago
1+ and I second the inclusion of either Tormod's Crypt and or Nihil Spellbomb. I would personally -1 Liliana of the Veil to +1 Liliana, the Last Hope, however that is in accordance with my meta. It certainly helps me with Affinity & Lingering Souls. It also returns creatures for some good value at times, while making Tarmogoyf larger.
1 week ago
Nice to see someone else trying to keep alive the MBC in Standard (if you want to, take a look at mine MBC - Ideas are welcome! Standard MBC!!)
I'll leave my 2 cents, based in results I'm having these days, facing the current meta:
- A main sweeper is essencial theses days. Ramunap reds, Zombies and UW Monuments have a good share of the current meta. I'm using 2x Yahenni's Expertise and 1x Bontu's Last Reckoning (this one have a strong downside, but was a game changing several times)
- I've tried Doomfall instead of To the Slaughter. Beside the sorcery speed, can be used for discard when facing control opponents. And delirium is something hard to archieve with monoblack.
- 4 copies of Liliana, the Last Hope isnt causing some overdraw sometimes?
- Thought-Knot Seer has been proved very huge. Discard (exiling) leaving a beefy body have put Knot Seer in lots of Legacy lists. Maybe deserves a room in a STD control deck. The con is have to add colorless mana in deck. Nothing that 4x Ifnir Deadlands (very synergic with the deck) not solves.
Asking for advices:
- Harsh Scrutiny or Lay Bare the Heart? I choose the last one for being more wide, but I can see the benefits of a Harsh Scrutiny on turn 1.
- I like the idea of Gifted Aetherborn. Im using Asylum Visitor for card advantage (its commom to run out of cards with so many removals - I use a little bit more than you do). And with 9 discards cards in main, empty my opponents hand happens very often too.
Well, hope the deck increases its share in meta! MBC is an archetype (such mono-red aggro) thats deserves always a place.
1 week ago
I will explain how I think the Sideboard works, but I might not understand it fully.
To see how the rest of the deck works, look up the Amonkhet Pro Tour final match on YouTube.
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is great against aggro decks because they hate your life total going back up, and the mirror match because you stop their Creatures recurring and "out-zombie" them
Aethersphere Harvester is a great blocker due to its five toughness and flying, and stalls aggro decks due to its Lifelink
Liliana, the Last Hope helps to face off against other decks that go wide (get lots of little Creatures on the field), such as Servo decks, White Weenies, etc.
Never / Return kills Planeswalkers
Skysovereign, Consul Flagship repeatedly picks off little Creatures, provides another Flying blocker, is good against decks not packing many Instants, and makes life difficult for Control decks that rely on Essence Scatter
Liliana, the Last Hope is expensive because it is the best Planeswalker in this deck. Making unlimited Zombies in a way that can't be stopped, then giving them all a boost due to either Liliana's Mastery or Lord of the Accursed is very difficult to play against.
1 week ago
I put together the typical Mono Black Zombie deck to start playing at my local FNM and Standard Showdowns. Would someone please help explain the deck tech to me, especially the sideboard? I've never really played standard, and I'm not familiar with the meta at the local shops. I'm an admitted novice, but I've been playing about 2 months, mostly commander.
Here's the deck list:
I have Liliana, Death's Majesty in there instead of Liliana, the Last Hope. How crucial is The Last Hope to make the deck work? I just didn't want to drop $45 on 2 cards that rotate out in 7 weeks haha. I can use the other Lilianas for commander.And other things I can sideboard are Westvale Abbey // Ormendahl, Profane Prince, Torment of Hailfire, Abolisher of Bloodlines Flip, and Plague Belcher.
Would appreciate the help. Thanks!