Fist of Suns

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Fist of Suns

Artifact

You may pay rather than pay the mana cost for spells that you cast.

legendofa on Eldrazi Rampage

8 months ago

Welcome to the club, BIAxKatana!

Obligatory caveat that I'm not a Commander expert, so I might be missing some details. My first thought on looking at this deck is that there might be too many payoffs and not enough support. While cards like Exploration and Burgeoning are generally good ramp, with only 33 lands, minimal land searching, and not much repeatable draw, I don't expect this deck to get more than a couple of extra land drops each match.

How reliable are Fist of Suns and Jodah, Archmage Eternal for you? They combo well with Morophon, the Boundless, so how quickly can you get them and a full color suite active? Is it better to play Esika, God of the Tree  Flip or The Prismatic Bridge  Flip?

There could be some bad interactions between your counterspells and Mana Maze. Mana Maze supports your colorless creatures, but unless an opponent is playing heavy , countering one of their spells basically resets Mana Maze.

What is the role of Luxior, Giada's Gift and the assorted Jin-Gitaxias  Flipes?

Vessiliana on BakingIsPunk13

10 months ago

Let's see. Well, one easy adjustment is to cut some of the more money-expensive angels. Lots of big bomb angels are not very expensive money-wise, so that is one cut. Another is to cut some of the fetch-lands for cheaper substitutes. Adding in Jodah, Archmage Eternal and Fist of Suns can help, too. The important thing is to stick the Bridge as soon as possible. Then it helps smooth out anything else.

MusicGoat18 on Progenitus EDH

1 year ago

Thanks again TheoryCrafter! I made cuts and changes based on your suggestion. I did my best to keep a balance while adding more cards for Zaxara, the Exemplary and Unbound Flourishing.

Cuts made:

Forgotten Ancient, Jodah, Archmage Eternal, Fist of Suns, Bootleggers' Stash, and swapped a few lands.

Cards added:

Shivan Devastator, Steelbane Hydra, Unbound Flourishing, and Bonfire of the Damned.

I still want to implement Progenitus' commander damage strategy on top of the hydra tribal idea, so I kept many of the exalt cards and mana fix/ramp. Another reason is that the ramp cards assist with values too.

MusicGoat18 on Progenitus EDH

1 year ago

Also, since I have Fist of Suns, Jodah, Archmage Eternal, and a few other relatively similar cards, Jegantha might not make the cut. Another reason is not maximizing Jegantha's mana ability due to the color imbalance and how my deck is mostly green, but I will consider it since it DOES half Progenitus' cost without the tax.

thegreatgodloki on Dragon Legion of Earth

1 year ago

Forgot to mention in my previous comment. Fist of Suns is an absolute godsend in decks like this. Definitely worth checking out

msimcoe on G.I. Jo(dah)

1 year ago

If you find that you have fixing problems I think Cascading Cataracts would be a good include to really benefit off of your commander and Fist of Suns to guarantee you have perfect 5c fixing on turn five or off of Chromatic Orrery. Although it does seem you have a hefty amount of fixing already between the fetches and treasure tokens, so it might not be necessary. Nice looking build tho!

kirbysan on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*

1 year ago

Guerric

Last game of the year! Sorry I've taken over your comment board, hope all these gameplay interactions help!

Opponents: Koma, Cosmos Serpent, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools / Armix, Filigree Thrasher

Starting Hand: Marsh Flats, Plains, Sol Ring, Serra Ascendant, Serra Avenger, Court of Grace, Breathkeeper Seraph

T1 - Marsh Flats into Plains into Serra Ascendant

T2 - Plains into Sol Ring and Luminarch Ascension (drew into), swung in for 6 damage

T3 - Plains into Court of Grace, drew on endstep, swung in for another 6 damage

T4 - +1 Angel on upkeep, Plains into Giada, Font of Hope and held up mana to make 2 Angels, drew on endstep, swung in for another 6 damage

T5 - created 2 Angels (6 power & 7 power) on opponents end step, +1 Angel (8 power) on upkeep. Cast a Tome of Legends getting ready for the boardwipe. Swung in for 21 damage, drew on endstep.

T6 - nobody at the table had the boardwipe so I cleaned up next turn with Sigarda's Vanguard knocking out each other player simultaneously. I think this was the fastest this deck has ever performed in a 4-man pod and all the damage was dealt by me.

Opponents: Koma, Cosmos Serpent, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools / Armix, Filigree Thrasher, O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami

Starting Hand: Windswept Heath, Arid Mesa, Plains, Bonders' Enclave, Serra Paragon, Gisela, the Broken Blade  Meld, Archangel of Thune

Thought about not including this one either as it was a slow hand and a fast game. Muldrotha comboed out turn 4 making 2 million squirrels and nobody had any interaction so we were dead on turn 5.

Opponents: Koma, Cosmos Serpent, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools / Armix, Filigree Thrasher, O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami

Starting Hand: Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Plains, Plains, Pyre of Heroes, Gisela, the Broken Blade  Meld, Battle Angels of Tyr, Angelic Curator

I had played Battle Angels of Tyr but it was quickly removed by Tevesh before I could swing with it, which is fair given a 5-man pod.

Instead I went for the slower play with Giada, Font of Hope, Angelic Curator and Angelic Sleuth on the field. I held Pyre of Heroes in hand thinking I would go for the Inspiring Overseer / Serra Paragon line to draw into some cards and get some clues.

However, Muldrotha again was a huge problem turn 5. They had Scute Swarm and cracked some fetches and played green ramp spells bringing up their total to the low 100s but they only had 32 they could attack with. They decided to swing all of them at me as I was the only one with any sort of board presence. O-Kagachi let the table know they had a fog effect but we elected to use it on the next turn.

At this point I had Giada, Font of Hope, Angelic Sleuth, Righteous Valkyrie and Pyre of Heroes on the battlefield. Once Muldrotha had started producing massive amounts of Scutes I knew they were coming at me. Also I had drawn into Archangel of Thune which I played and swung in bringing me back up to the low 20's.

On turn 6 O-Kagachi used the fog and Muldrotha just set themselves up better for the next round. They cast a Sandwurm Convergence to stop me from knocking them out.

Tevesh decided this was the best time to go off so they tapped out for a Peer into the Abyss. A lot of artifact shenanigans happened and they ended up at 4 life due to Bolas's Citadel, nearly wiped the board with Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and killed Muldrotha with an artifact creature with Cranial Plating and Lightning Greaves. Unfortunately they didn't see that O-Kagachi was out and only -5 for Ugin so they were dead to the dragon on their turn.

I was able to build back relatively quickly as I drew into a Thorough Investigation and cracked some clues. O-Kagachi became the new archenemy as they had their commander out and a Fist of Suns so they were casting high-costed cards with the limited mana they had. Koma used Kiora, the Crashing Wave to negate the damage of O-Kagachi's commander. They also countered a Conflux which could've ended the game.

I tried to swing in once but was stopped by a fog. I also made another misplay with Oblation targeting their Myojin of Seeing Winds as I misheard thinking it was a 10/10 flying indestructible when it was a 3/3 that didn't even fly. They removed the divinity counter drawing 12 and drew another 2 off Oblation. Next turn they cast a Morophon, the Boundless and dropped all the spirits they drew off those 14 cards. If I had held up my Oblation for their fist of the suns instead they would have had no mana for anything else and I could've swung in for the win.

Luminarch Ascension finally popped off! When unanswered it just ends games. Even with a boardwipe it can refill the board with mana. With Giada out it adds lethal threats quickly. I understand that it may not have the surprise factor but I think the resiliency is more important here. As you've mentioned before, not a lot of people run enchantment removal as creature removal is preferable which means this has staying power.

Court of Grace was also amazing here. While 1 card a turn is not the best for 4 mana, 1 card and 1 angel for 4 is amazing. Obviously the Sol Ring did work in getting it out early but against slower decks they had no way to attack me regardless.

Pyre of Heroes was actually useful this time! Pitching the 2/2 body of Angelic Curator into a Righteous Valkyrie is a strong move. I was only able to use it once before the Ugin exile but it helped keep me in the game. Without it, I would've been dead right after Tevesh finished off Muldrotha, perhaps even in the same turn.

Sigarda's Vanguard was also great again. However if I'm not planning out dropping my angels out in the correct turn order then I'm not always getting the full benefit from her. Akroma's Will would save us the headache of counting and planning while also providing the evasion to get through flying creatures. I think I'll still stick the Vanguard as the light recursion package allows us to bring her back on another turn for additional value whereas Will would just languish in the graveyard.

We had a turn 0 discussion before games 2 and 3 and agreed on playing more mid-tier decks as I only brought Giada. The Muldrotha player typically durdles with nothing to do and decided to add in some spicy cards not knowing how they'd perform. Tevesh doesn't always go off like this but Peer into the Abyss is usually a card that gets countered. The table let it resolve due to needing to knock out Muldrotha first.

thefiresoflurve on Corrupted Azorius

1 year ago

Nice brew!

In case you run into anyone who cares, Fist of Suns and Morophon aren't technically legal here due to having and in the text boxes. You could honestly probably do better than Morophon here, anyway - Shared Triumph also gives +1/+1, although it has the downside of not being an otherwise vanilla 6/6 for 7 mana.

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