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Creature — Dinosaur
, Sacrifice Thrashing Brontodon: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Thrashing Brontodon Discussion
2 days ago
I also mainboard 4x Thrashing Brontodon although i'm not sure that is correct. Ensnaring Bridge is running around in a lot of decks. I realized if you are budget then unfortunately Once Upon a Time is not feasible which is ok. I don't think it makes the deck much better. I use Birds of Paradise as another mainboard Ensnaring Bridge hate card with Aspect of Hydra . Also 3 Yorvo seems kinda sketch. I think balloth can be an upgrade to yorvo in some cases as well. Treetop Village seems bad mainboard. You need your mana in the early turns and it will be too small late game to do a ton. I don't use Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx for the same reason.
2 days ago
I went 3-1 at my LGS last night. I'll try and have a more detailed write-up in the next couple days. Beware Solemnity in the sideboards - many players are running those against the Hardened Scales and Aetherworks Marvel decks. Some good sideboard options for enchantment removal are Cindervines and Thrashing Brontodon .
3 weeks ago
You are probably right, my main ideas regarding the reanimator targets are simply to slow. I have only exchanged a End-Raze Forerunners and Cavalier of Night against a Dream Eater and Massacre Girl maindeck. The first does a good job to support our gameplan by surveiling 4 and bouncing a permanent to clear the path for the death strike. Having flash does also help in this regard. I still like Lochmere Serpent but Eating dreams does sure fit the theme. Massacre Girl should help to reset the board in case we get flooded. Scaling down to singles as reanimation targets does offer a bit more flexibility I think.
My main changes to satisfy my combo and control urges are a Fae of Wishes and Murderous Rider . The Fae and Rider themselves can be helpful blocker against aggro to stall until we stabilize. One with high toughness and the other with lifelink. Having a a removal against pesky Planeswalker and dangerous creatures while providing a possible body in the cauldron is perfect. The Fae on the other hand can also provide additional discard, which is quite nice. Therefor I cut Eye Collector and scaled down Tomebound Lich .
But now onto my favorit part: the wishboard. While the Fae does provide several intresting properties to enhance the gameplan and guard against aggro, this is the real fun part.
Against aggro there is Cry of the Carnarium (although keep in mind this does exile, which can be counter productive) and Ritual of Soot . Also Legion's End and Witch's Vengeance are possible candidates.
Additional reanimators are also present to have one at hand when needed. Also I have put one cauldron in the wishboard to have it at hand as well as protected against Unmoored Ego for example. Notably I decided to test Bond of Revival and Connive / Concoct in the mainboard as the bond does provide haste, to immediatly get value even above the etb. The latter has juicy properties all around - surveil stapled onto a reanimator is great in itself, otherwise having the opportunity to steal something if the cauldron is already running. However, Blood for Bones is also interesting, as you get two creatures back and its one mana cheeper. Both properties are however somewhat more useful when the engine is already going and I would fetch it with a Fae, therefore I put it in the wishboard.
The remaining spells in the wishboard are just fun stuff. We have powerful ETB effects, why not repeat these on demand using Quasiduplicate and Teferi's Time Twist . You correctly mentioned the risk of accidently milling planeswalker, not anymore! I will definitly maul some poor soul with a 12/12 Karn, the Great Creator animated Cauldron. Ashiok, Dream Render is there in case the graveyard does not fill quick enough, also a security measure against Arclight Phoenix , and other graveyard friends. Flood of Tears can clear the board, opening the door for a hasty Forerunner, stuck in hand. Enter the God-Eternals is also in there, just to get a bit more life against aggro pressure or get rid of a creature, while providing another roadblock to stall until the cauldron gets going. You could also target your own creature to get the life and another cauldron in the body, possibly upgrading a 0/4 wall to a 4/4 Zombie.
To make room for all of these, I had to cut into the artifact theme a bit, running only 3 Vantress Gargoyle and Emrys.
Fabled Passage : Despite mana fixing and minor deck thinning, it does also provide a possibility to shuffle your deck at will. Although this might be minor, being able to get another chance of seeing Murderous Rider and creatures after the cauldron is running again, could be helpful.
I will test this list and see what I like and what I do not like. It should be possible to cut a bit of fun stuff and make room for a little sideboard for Bo3. I think I have been able to keep original spirit alive, while giving my own spin. Especially maximizing all my options just makes games soo interesting. I have essentially two wishboards with the sideboard and an filled Cauldron.
P.S: Do you have a plan what we could do against Grafdigger's Cage ? As real artifact destruction is not in color, I am a bit at a loss. With having the Faes, I could picture splashing a little green and a copy of Return to Nature would do it, alternativly Thrashing Brontodon could be reanimated, but only if the cage is not already in play. Assassin's Trophy and Bedevil are also options, but all requiere to splash off colors. An enemy Ashiok would also suck, but could atleast be targeted with the removals already at hand.
3 weeks ago
jonmaior I will do my best to address all of your points, if I miss anything or want more clarification just ask.
First up Thrashing Brontodon might be a decent sideboard card (my sideboard is quite locked in so I dont think I'd use it) but I don't think it's great in the main. My biggest reason is we want our 3 drop to have triple green for devotions sake. I dislike playing anything more than a playset of a 3 drop as we want our curve to be as tight and low as possible.
Birds of Paradise is very cute tech against Ensnaring Bridge but I prefer my Deglamer as it's also useful against Wurmcoil Engine and other such artifacts you dont want to "destroy" but still need gone. Also the Deglamer can hit enchantments which doesn't come up often but can matter. As for running Birds itself, I would suggest changing over to Noble Hierarch (assuming budget isnt and issue) as you would get the same Bridge workaround with use in situations where their are no bridges.
Third: When it comes to 4 drops I try to avoid them. I used to play Surrak, the Hunt Caller but I found him to be dead in hand too often. Even when he did hit the board he was low impact and was chump blocked pretty easy.
Finally I'm not a huge fan of effects like Lead the Stampede as we are not looking for any creature in particular, just value in undercosted generic beaters. I'm not even a huge fan of Once Upon a Time for that same reason, but it allows us to trim on lands which is awesome so I'm tolerating it.
So many new toys to play with!!
If I missed anything let me know!
P.S: my combo comment still stands. The reason we are any good is consistency so yes we can pressure stumbles from combo decks that do so. But combo decks are built to mitigate stumbling and if they go off we ain't stopping much.
4 weeks ago
Groundbreaker , I main 4 Thrashing Brontodon because it fits in the 3 cmc spot pretty well and is very useful against ensnaring bridge (I really hate ensnaring bridge.) I also run x2 Birds of Paradise to get past ensnaring bridge with 2 in the side as well. how do you sideboard? I find that I almost never want to sideboard anything. I really only go out 2 Surrak, the Hunt Caller for 2 Collected Company against bridge/prison decks to find brontodon more. Im not even sure if lifegain is good against burn because we are just as fast and our base list pretty much always destroys burn. also my list is obviously different but yeah. I think less combat tricks is usually a good thing. My deck is actually fine with going into the late game sometimes because my creatures are so big and there is such a steady stream of them. I think Lead the Stampede also has a lot of potential although it is slow so idk in what matchups we would want it. it does seem super good overall though especially if you have a lot of 1 drops and your opponent doesn't have many wraths. Also I disagree, I think our combo matchup is very much in our favor. this deck will win on t4 very consistently, something that glass cannon type, all in combo decks can't really say. overall if we lose t2 we lose t2 but we make sure that our opponent can't mess up at all or we win. nice deck!
1 month ago
You might need more card advantage/draw. You have a good amount of search, but it is hard to rely only on Greater Good and Zendikar Resurgent for great card advantage. Probably only get to use those when you are already in a good position in a match.
1 month ago
Other than that, it looks sweet. Please do share how it fares against other "meta" decks. +1.
1 month ago
First off, I'd like to say that I enjoy your take on Abzan for the new standard meta. I think that this color combination is positioned to be a strong mid-range deck. However I'd like to make a few suggestions that might steer your deck making into a more refined direction.
Note: Bear with me as I realized I wrote a lot more than I planned to. I tried to do my best to explain all changes rather than just tell you what cards I would add.
Standard recently has been very polarized, between hyper-fast aggressive builds like Mono-Red Cavalcade (which is getting better with Torbran, Thane of Red Fell ) and slow value-based decks like Temur Elementals and Field of the Dead variants. I think that this deck, as it stands, needs a more refined and focused build to be able to compete against those archetypes.
To start, I'd suggest running all four copies of Gilded Goose . The ramp it provides is necessary to keep up against fast builds, it can block against creatures like Scorch Spitter , and will fix your mana which is important when going into 3 colors. With 2 of your 8 ramp creatures on the board early, you're able to play Nissa, Who Shakes the World on turn 3. This will completely overwhelm your opponent if they can't handle the planeswalker, and propel you into your late game plays. To add 2 more Gilded Goose , I would cut Yorvo, Lord of Garenbrig . It is an easy-to-kill creature with no key word abilities, leaving it easy to block as well.
Transitioning from my last point about ramp, I think that you would be best to maximize this by playing all 4 copies of Nissa, Who Shakes the World The likelihood of playing her on turn 3/4 in a game with 8 ramp creatures is fairly high, and having extra copies will help make that game-plan more reliable. To do this, I would cut Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord . As you will see with my later points, I think you would be best to take advantage of the stronger non-creature cards in this build, and paying 4 mana just to give lifelink to creatures isn't the best use of these slots. I can imagine a deck that leans more into creatures use this as a way to recur cards like Gilded Goose , however it looks to me that you are building more of a control shell at the top end. Additionally, to take full advantage of Nissa, I would make sure to include all 4 Temple Garden for the Forest sub-type.
I like the inclusions of Assassin's Trophy , Oath of Kaya , and Murderous Rider . They are very versatile removal, and in the case of Murderous Rider double as a threat to apply pressure. I would play 3/4 of each of these, as they are your best ways to remove threats low on the curve. To do this, I would cut Realm-Cloaked Giant , God-Eternal Oketra , and a copy of Duress . I think Duress is going to be good to main deck in the new standard, so dropping to 2 in the main deck seems like enough for my taste. God-Eternal Oketra is better when maximizing her ability to create tokens, and having less than 25-30 creatures really will negatively impact her ability to perform. I would rather use these slots to main-deck removal spells. Realm-Cloaked Giant is a decent safety valve, but will only hurt you when transitioning into using Nissa and small creature ramp.
I like the inclusions of Shifting Ceratops and Thrashing Brontodon , however I think they will be best to stay in the sideboard. They are good creatures to play against control when they side-in planeswalker removal, as well as things you can bring in against agro/midrange while taking out some of your high-CMC plays. They are great silver bullets against certain strategies, but I think they should be reserved for only those cases. I would instead choose to main-deck 4 copies of Questing Beast . I think that overall this creature is better in most situations than the previously stated ones, and provides a much higher-value threat for its mana cost.
I would suggest cutting 1 copy of Liliana, Dreadhorde General in favor of Garruk, Cursed Huntsman solely for the purpose of diversifying your end game plan. You don't really want to be stuck with a second copy of Liliana in the later turns, and Garruk will provide additional support on the ground to finish out a game quicker as well as sacrifice fodder for Liliana and another inclusion I encourage you to look into: Vraska, Golgari Queen . This planeswalker is removal, and can also be card draw when sacrificing unneeded lands or food tokens. Consider sideboarding the copy of Legion's End in favor of Vraska, Golgari Queen .
Finally, as a shift away from a "catch-all" board wipe, I would suggest running Find / Finality instead of Kaya's Wrath . If all the changes made in this comment were applied, the only two white cards would be Oath of Kaya and Kaya's Wrath . I think the wrath is a great card, but with the amount of creatures you will have on board, running Find / Finality instead will allow you to at least retain something. This can also bring back a Questing Beast or two in the late game. I would probably push this to the side board in favor of a 2nd copy of Vraska, Golgari Queen .
Overall, I think the planeswalker package in is VERY strong. They provide strong removal and card draw, and can be easily ramped into. 3/4 of the planeswalkers I suggested make creatures to protect themselves as well, meaning that you're able to still provide pressure at a lower main-deck creature count. The deck crafted in this comment is more of a control build splashing for Oath of Kaya . I think that Oath of Kaya along with Murderous Rider and Vraska, Golgari Queen are enough life gain for the deck to make it to the late game, and the planeswalker suite along with Questing Beast will be strong enough to overpower any midrange you face up against.
I would dedicate the sideboard to combating control. 2 Duress , 2 Thrashing Brontodon , 2 The Elderspell , and 4 Shifting Ceratops are perfect to substitute in. The last few slots I would use for 4 Legion's End and 1 Find / Finality , as they are great against aggro as well as Field of the Dead .
I hope you enjoy my take on this build, and possibly include some of my suggestions. Like I said, I think this is a great start to a strong build that just needed a bit of focus. If you have any questions or need further explanation for any of my choices just let me know!
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