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Thrashing Brontodon
Creature — Dinosaur
, Sacrifice Thrashing Brontodon: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
Licecolony on
Mono-Green SuperFriends!
1 month ago
Heck no Lokasa!
If Pir, Imaginative Rascal gets you excited, I think you 'ought to go for it. This is YOUR deck, you can make it however you like. We can work to compensate for the speed by changing out the ramp package!
I will note that with Pir, Imaginative Rascal, you'd also get Toothy, Imaginary Friend as a free second commander which gives you access to cards like Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus, Ezuri, Stalker of Spheres, Ichormoon Gauntlet, Deepglow Skate along with a bunch more planeswalkers and proliferators and duplicators. Since your deck is called mono-green, I'm gonna write the rest of this comment assuming you don't want to add any blue cards.
Accelerated Ramp, these are gonna focus more on getting lands straight to the battlefield and being cheap to use. If possible, having these attached to creatures to block early on:
Nature's Lore
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Three Visits
Rampant Growth
Yavimaya Elder
Fertilid
Topiary Stomper
And that would take place of all of your three mana mana-ramp and your ramp that brings lands to hand (they work best with Azuza, so now we don't need them).
Then we can come up with fast removal to protect you early and give you early blockers:
Cankerbloom
Thrashing Brontodon
Nature's Claim
We can replace the planeswalkers we lost earlier Garruk, Savage Herald, Nissa, Genesis Mage, Vivien, Arkbow Ranger, Vivien, Champion of the Wilds, Vivien, Nature's Avenger with more that'll keep you safe and will give us space for better support cards:
Nissa, Ascended Animist
Wrenn and Seven
Finally, we can think about how to use those planeswalkers more effectively with cards like:
The Peregrine Dynamo doubles up your planeswalker ability
Kamahl's Druidic Vow can be another Genesis Wave in this deck.
I'll also add Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider though will warn you MOST people do not enjoy playing against that card.
Note that my opinion is just as useless as anyone else's and any choices you make will be the right ones for you. I hope you find your fun <3
Licecolony on
NayaDinos
1 month ago
I'd add 6 or so lands. There's just not near enough there. It also seems you're expecting a really long game with cards to reshuffle stuff into your library and gain life. You start at 40 health. If you're taking that much damage, the extra 5 here or there aren't saving you. And reshuffling cards from the graveyard into the library is only going to be useful if you're playing against a mill deck or you somehow draw your entire deck. Both somewhat uncommon situations.
Cards under $3 that you might consider:
Nature's Lore
Rishkar's Expertise
Cultivate
Rampant Growth
Farseek
Kodama's Reach
Colossal Majesty
Return of the Wildspeaker
Beast Within
Nature's Claim
Thunderfoot Baloth
Rootweaver Druid
Reclamation Sage
Cathar Commando
Knight of Autumn
Qasali Pridemage
Thrashing Brontodon
Ranging Raptors
Regisaur Alpha
Shifting Ceratops
Territorial Hammerskull
Territorial Allosaurus
Topiary Stomper
Atzocan Seer
Tribal Forcemage
Naya Charm
Road of Return
Boros Charm
Cards that I would call easily expendable:
Suncleanser
Cacophodon
Looming Altisaur
Imperial Ceratops
Wilderness Reclamation
Verdant Haven
Gift of Paradise
Fertile Ground
Oketra's Last Mercy
Rolling Thunder
Serene Remembrance
Elixir of Immortality
Oketra's Monument
Alhammarret's Archive
Sanguine Sacrament
Slice in Twain
Enter the Unknown
Boros Signet
Gruul Signet
Selesnya Signet
DreadKhan on
Thantis the Warweaver
2 months ago
For Clackbridge, ymmv but I felt like mentioning that I've been burnt by it lots of times. I'm sure there are metas where it's a much better card, where people consistently have nothing they want to sacrifice, in my experience I was giving my opponent a free sac outlet every turn that also turned off my 8/8, which felt legit bad.
I use Deathtouch/Trample in my OG Multani deck, it's not especially rare for him to swing as a 30/30 vs the first opponent I'm going to eliminate, those two together usually means they can't block enough of his power to survive. Having both on an 8/8 is fine, but it's really great when you can get over 20 power with some consistency, I could see Grismold achieving that by the time you're ready to eliminate someone.
My issue with Sunder Shaman is that there are so, so many better ways to remove artifacts and enchantments in Jund, and most of them aren't RRGG to cast, an officially awkward to cast spell. I know he's got Green here, but I remember trying to make Kaya's Wrath work in an Esper deck. It proved consistently impossible to cast, and when I could it held up other stuff because it's just too colour intensive. Something like Kogla, the Titan Ape is probably many times the card, providing a bigger body that fights something on ETB sounds a lot better, add in that Kogla is maybe easier to cast with a bigger board presence and I feel the point should be made. If you want something small that can do something similar, there is Caustic Wasps, which is evasive and kills artifacts, as well as stuff like Thrashing Brontodon and Reclamation Sage, without using a non-creature option. Sunder Shaman seems to combine a so-so body with an ability that isn't particularly easy to guarantee, people can stop your attacks in a variety of ways and Shaman needs to deal damage. Kogla just needs to swing and something is getting blown up, that's much more relevant. If you want something earlier than Kogla you can use Outland Liberator Flip, which can work without attacking and on every attack if you can get it flipped, I'd actually say that's a lot more consistent than Shaman. If anything I'd run more artifact/enchantment removal, there are tons of people who run infuriating stuff like Propaganda and even the dreaded War Tax. If I was building Thantis like this, I think I'd want War Cadence, very politically relevant. I personally love removal in most decks, and I wouldn't hesitate to run some in a deck like this, especially clunky damage based wipes, because Thantis can be huge sometimes and survive a Blasphemous Act.
Haha, I think Duo AND Crown would be pretty absurd, both only hurt your opponents. Still, I do agree he might be trying to do too many things at once here, and that's why it's hard to cut cards.
Monarch is a good way to get people swinging, but Coveted Jewel is the real 'kingmaker' you can run to create utter chaos. It's one thing to turn down 1 free card, but to turn down 3 mana and 3 cards is just madness, and letting someone else keep that 3 mana for their next turn is likewise unacceptable, so it can create a ton of chaos. Something like Kamahl, Fist of Krosa could be pretty interesting, if a land is a creature it either has to get tapped down or swung with, and small creatures die. Jolrael, Empress of Beasts can turn their entire land base into 3/3s. I'm not saying you should threaten people's mana bases, but I'd feel remiss if I didn't bring it up.
Re: running more Green ramp, I like to run more Green mana sources in a deck that runs lots of Green ramp, as long as I have Green ramp and Green mana I can find whatever other mana I want. There are so many decent 2 and 3 mana ramp spells in Green, even stuff like Wood Elves or Farhaven Elf can work beautifully, if you dig out a tapped dual it feels pretty good with Wood, Farhaven just finds whatever basic you need.
ThatWeirdPerson on
It's Just a Flesh Wound (Budget Meren)
11 months ago
So I loved your suggestions but it was hard to find cards to swap them with. I Swapped Krosan Wayfarer for Springbloom Druid and I rlly wanted to add Thrashing Brontodon but I couldn't find something to swap it with. So I turned to my ramp and considered swapping in Neverwinter Dryad for Farhaven Elf but Farhaven Elf requires less mana to execute once you get the Meren recursion going so I looked away from it. With the problems I alr had with the swapping in and out cards I had to leave Manglehorn out because it didn't have as much to offer as the other things you had to offer. I put the other three is the MB so I don't forget them tho
BRAZATO on
It's Just a Flesh Wound (Budget Meren)
11 months ago
Awesome deck!
Many people (like me) play Meren in more expensive / tryhard ways but I love to see people offering feedback for more budget friendly versions, so knew players or just people in casual enviroments can play with her too.
Some ideas: Neverwinter Dryad and Krosan Wayfarer (to have more ramp-sacrifice creatures like sakura tribe elder) Manglehorn and Thrashing Brontodon to artifact hate.
Jack32226 on
Rot and Ruin (Muldrotha EDH)
1 year ago
Thanks for commenting, Lord_of_Cardboard!
This deck would do exceptionally well against a Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger deck. This is for the same reason that cards like Jace's Archivist do so well in the deck: if you have have Muldrotha on the battlefield, any cards you discard might as well still be in your hand cause you can simply replay them from your graveyard. If anything, an opposing Kroxa player is almost helping you by disrupting your other opponents' hands.
As for a budget version of the deck, here's some advice on budget options and replacements. Just note that this is advice specific to my Muldrotha deck, i.e., advice for the big mana and big X-spell strategy. If you'd rather play a more typical creature-based, swing-to-kill type deck, there may be better Muldrotha lists to look at.
The mana base makes up a large portion of the deck's budget, and I would leave that mostly up to your own discretion. Just keep in mind that fetch lands like Evolving Wilds and slow fetches like Bad River are good for being replayed every turn with Muldrotha. Also, for a budget version of the deck, it's important to run more basics than I do since you'll probably need to fetch more with your ramp. Cycle lands like Lonely Sandbar, Tranquil Thicket, and Barren Moor are fantastic, especially with Life from the Loam. Some other good options:
Which brings me to another point: if I had to pick one somewhat expensive card that's worth putting in a budget Muldrotha deck, it's this one. It's a one-card value engine, giving you card draw, mill, and lands. And depending on what utility lands you choose to run, it can do a whole lot more. And if you're worried about Kroxa in your meta, Life from the Loam is a great counter to it, allowing you to fill your hand with lands to discard.
Now to address key cards for the deck's "big mana" strategy. Important cards for generating a lot of mana include Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Cabal Coffers, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Crypt Ghast, and Nyxbloom Ancient. You could just replace these cards with normal ramp; casting X-spells for X=10 is still good and easy to accomplish without these cards. If that's unsatisfying for you, you could consider options like Zendikar Resurgent and Mana Reflection. Unfortunately there aren't many great cheap options for producing a lot of mana. This is an important part of the deck though, so it's up to you if it's worth spending some extra money on it.
To avoid this comment being any more lengthy than it already is, here's an extensive list of some budget alternatives for the deck. The great thing about Muldrotha is that being able to replay removal makes a lot of sub-par removal actually pretty good, so it's pretty budget friendly.
Win-Conditions: What's in the deck isn't too expensive, but here's some cheaper options.
- Mass Manipulation
- Gelatinous Genesis
- Mind Grind
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Other hydras (there's lots of them)
Removal:
- Plaguecrafter / Demon's Disciple
- Seal of Doom / Shriekmaw / Executioner's Capsule
- Night Incarnate
- Outland Liberator Flip
- Thrashing Brontodon
- Kenrith's Transformation / Frogify / Kasmina's Transmutation
- Vraska the Unseen / Ob Nixilis Reignited
- Sidisi's Faithful
Draw / Mill:
- Vessel of Nascency
- Satyr Wayfinder
- Tatyova, Benthic Druid
- Mirror-Mad Phantasm
- Dreamborn Muse
- River Kelpie
- Windfall
- Witching Well
- Courier's Capsule
- Omen of the Sea
- Fact or Fiction
- Forgotten Creation
- Kiora, Master of the Depths
Tutors:
Ramp:
- Springbloom Druid
- Burnished Hart
- Dawntreader Elk
- Fertilid
- Diligent Farmhand
- Kodama's Reach
- Wayfarer's Bauble
- Font of Fertility
- Omen of the Hunt
- Yavimaya Elder
- Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Control and other good stuff:
- Zur's Weirding
- Siren Stormtamer
- Drown in the Loch
- Elephant Grass
- Scribe of the Mindful
- Malakir Rebirth Flip
- Raven's Crime
- Malevolent Hermit Flip
- Energy Flux
- Other counterspells
If you have any other questions about budget options, let me know. I'm always happy to help!
ClockworkSwordfish on
1 year ago
I can't help but notice you have zero ways to deal with noncreature permanents! Trying to win while ignoring them is a possibility, but it would be a major drag to be shut down by something like Meekstone, Teferi's Moat or Grave Pact.
I'd strongly consider making room for a few answers to such cards - some of the premiere choices include Hull Breach, Nature's Claim, Ancient Grudge, Krosan Grip and Shattering Spree. Sticking more to the creature side of things, some good options include Reclamation Sage, Outland Liberator Flip, Thrashing Brontodon, Viridian Zealot, World Breaker and the blanket-answer Bane of Progress. Hopefully some of these cards can help dig you out of tight situations in the future!
DreadKhan on
Because Jared said so, and what Jared says, goes.
1 year ago
I suspect you'd benefit from a few more White mana sources, or things that can find them. Blighted Woodland and Myriad Landscape are readily cast ramp that can find plains for you. Krosan Verge is on colour here, and is probably worth running as well, as it can find non-basic lands for you, like the Kaldheim Snow Duals. There are also ramp spells that can find those Snow Duals, so it's not just about the pricier Fetch Lands. The relevant Snow Duals are Arctic Treeline Alpine Meadow and Highland Forest. Farseek can find Meadow at least, and things like Nature's Lore, Three Visits, Skyshroud Claim can find any that are Forests. These have no other upside, but getting access to White mana off of Three Visits is going to help. Most people just find Shock Lands with Farseek, but Snow Duals are very solid options to have.
The other thing that jumped out is the low amount artifact/enchantment hate. Cards like this are really useful in Commander, there is almost always a target, even if you draw a few of them. Viashino Heretic is good artifact hate on a stick, Devout Witness can hate on either, but is worse at it's job. You can also run Green options, which often sac the creature like Thrashing Brontodon or work as a Comes Into Play effect like Reclamation Sage. Since you have big creatures and love to have Jared get hit, Ulvenwald Tracker can arrange for Jared to get swatted by the biggest thing on the board every turn, either killing it and growing or just growing.
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