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|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
|Pauper Duel Commander||Legal|
Enchantment — Aura
Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, its controller gains one mana of any colour. (In addition to the mana the land produces).
3 weeks ago
Zoni on Junk Rhino
2 months ago
Cheap-o flicker shenanigans with two beast of cards (quite literally). Basic idea is to get either Siege Rhino or Thragtusk on the field, protect them with flicker effects from Restoration Angel and Ephemerate or use them offensively. Removal in form of Despark and Mythos of Nethroi to get rid of basically anything. Grisly Salvage to fuel the graveyard, dig for a Rhino or Thrag (most of the time) or early game land drop to stay on the curve. Unburial Rites to make use of the Salvage's graveyard part. Turn 3 is the weakest, which we hopefully either skip with Fertile Ground or make use of with Underworld Connections
3 months ago
I'm not an expert in Pauper, but it seems like your X/X creatures will be vulnerable to removal and chump blocks. Since your average mana value is so low and you can generate mana freely, would it make sense to drop a couple lands and maybe one each Fertile Ground and Voyaging Satyr for something like Rancor and Tamiyo's Safekeeping?
4 months ago
kamarupa - great suggestions!
I agree with you on Tamiyo's Safekeeping and I'll make that swap. The extra life from Sheltering Word is nice but not necessary. Tamiyo's Safekeeping is a fairly new card, right? I probably missed it when I skimmed through Kamigava: Neon Dynasty.
I play Draconic Disciple mainly as a versatile mana dork but you bring up some fair points. The problem I see with Llanowar Elves is that it produces only green mana and the dragons need a lot of red mana. Ignoble Hierarch, however, looks very interesting and Fertile Ground is another good suggestion. You make a good case for T1 spells which puts Ignoble Hierarch as the stronger candidate at first glance. I'll playtest and see what I end up with.
Great land suggestions as well! I'll likely add copies of Haven of the Spirit Dragon when I make tweaks to this deck. Lands are honestly the card type I have the least knowledge about, which is why my decks all play essentially the same set of lands xD
4 months ago
A few suggestions: Tamiyo's Safekeeping seems better than Sheltering Word, providing Indestructible in addition to Hexproof while also working on any permanent you control instead of just any creature and all for only half the MV. The only downside is less lifegain, which I acknowledge may be a big attraction for you.
Fertile Ground seems as good or better than Draconic Disciple. If you had more Forests and a higher budget, I'd suggest Utopia Sprawl. That said, Ignoble Hierarch (and of course Birds of Paradise) would be great fit(s) as well. I think even a plain old Llanowar Elves might be better than the Disciple. It's seems like the game would have to go on a long time before you have 7 mana best spent on a 5/5 token, and 3MV seems steep for a dork. I also get that it can be more about flavor than efficiency.
On that note, I notice you don't have any 1MV spells. Now I myself have a number of decks without any 1 drops and I think scrying T1 is about as good as it gets without any spells to cast, but it's a tough pill to swallow that a ramp deck isn't going to start rolling until T2-T3. Since none of the ramp spells are dragons, your best ramp card doesn't help you get more ramp into play. I'd really like to see a 1MV ramp spell here, but even a Lightning Bolt would be useful.
Alpine Moon could be useful in your sideboard.
4 months ago
Have you thought about tossing Harrow in? It's usually better Roiling Regrowth, as long as nobody counters your ramp spells. Stone-Seeder Hierophant has to tap to ramp you, but if you can hit multiple landfall per turn it can be a lot of mana.
This is pretty out there, but Simic Growth Chamber and Guildless Commons are interesting cards, they offer access to an extra land drop as a floor, but technically you can bounce the land itself and replay it if you've got ways to do it, like Skyshroud Ranger for example (there are others, not all low budget, but several are), it can let you hit potentially infinite land drops using a card like Retreat to Coralhelm, which is pretty powerful in Tatyova. Retreat also interacts positively with Tatyova and Dreamscape Artist, which is pretty budget and is a source of tons of landfall over time even without Retreat. Oboro Breezecaller is a nifty way to keep hitting land drops, even if you're not really gaining ground you still draw cards. She can ramp you nicely if you have lands that tap for more than 1 mana, which can be via the Growth Chamber, Commons, or via an aura like Wild Growth or Overgrowth or Fertile Ground, and they are some of the more efficient ramp as long as people don't run enchantment hate/wipes, you can enchant an untapped land often and gain that ramp the same turn, which is usually better/safer than a ramp rock. I also like Soratami Mirror-Mage and Meloku the Clouded Mirror, all three can readily go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm and a creature that taps to put a land into play, and all 3 make it very easy to hit your potential land drops. Not really sure why, but while everyone agrees Thrasios is amazing, very few people seem to care about Parcelbeast, but it's a good card in Tatyova. If you have Retreat out obviously you can untap when you hit a land, and if you have extra landfall available, you can use a separate landfall to untap the Parcelbeast so you can keep trying for another land, but it's not like 1 mana and tapping your Parcelbeast is a big ask. Also, if you can manage to put a Parcelbeast (or any other Mutate creature, including something like Sea-Dasher Octopus could be decent, there are some huge bodies) onto a Scute Swarm, you'll clone the mutated creature, which can be a 7/7 potentially. Most Mutate creatures seem to just give you a buff when they mutate, but some offer useful abilities that you'd like cloned. This will weird people out, but it's a nice play in budget I suspect.
A bit random, but Tatyova decks should usually be running the card Gush, you might not even mind bouncing the lands, the card draw is a nice perk, with the cost being the main upside of the card. It interacts nicely with Mystic Sanctuary and the aforementioned land-into-play dorks and Retreat to Coralhelm to draw as much as you want, and have other landfall benefits. Even if all you do is draw 2 cards and hit 2 more land drops you would have missed, that's a huge payoff for literally no mana IMHO.
I like having Primal Command in budget Green decks, it's a lot of mana but it can do a lot of stuff technically. If you throw in anything that can recur it, you can keep reshuffling your graveyard back in, which can be useful. Curse of the Swine is a nice juicy removal spell for Simic, it not only exiles, it can hit tons of targets, allowing you to compete with recursive decks more readily.
Cool deck, hope some of this is interesting/helpful!
5 months ago
Hey Eldmoi, thanks for the info. There's a quite a bit I would recommend optimizing. The long story short is that most of the dragons I'd recommend are already on my budget primer that you've seen and my super budget deck list that was part of the primer but is also available here if you're interested here.
First of all, you need to make sure your deck has a decent amount of ramp to cast your awesome dragons within a reasonable amount of time. If you are on a budget then I'd recommend Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, and Sakura-Tribe Elder at the very least. Other options for cheap ramp are Farseek, Wild Growth, and Fertile Ground. If you want to further optimize ramp, then adding in Nature's Lore and Three Visits on top of some forest based shock lands (e.g. Stomping Ground or triomes (e.g. Ziatora's Proving Ground would be ideal.
Second, you want to optimize your mana base by minimizing the number of taplands and ensuring you have the colors you need. Any tap lands that tap for only 2 colors (e.g. guild gates) could safely be dropped for basic lands. Tri-lands like you mentioned are decent enough to start off, because they can tap for 3 colors, but even those are suboptimal in the face of options like Dragonskull Summit and Blood Crypt. Furthermore, almost 50% of your deck requires red mana, so I'd ensure your lands reflects that.
Some things off the top of my head for instants and sorceries: I would consider Crucible of Fire to be a win more card. Lozhan, Dragons' Legacy is almost a strictly better Sarkhan's Unsealing. Damn and Farewell are really good board wipes that aren't as mana intensive as some you're running. Garruk's Uprising is a very potent form of card draw. Monster Manual is probably better than Thran Temporal Gateway in most cases.
Finally the dragons. There are so many good dragons to consider, many of which I've mentioned in my deck primer, and many of which are available on most dragon lists online, that I'll focus on highlighting dragons I would recommend removing:
Acid-Spewer Dragon - Overcosted and doesn't do much. Deathtouch isn't as useful on a dragon that should be big enough to kill most thing it hits in the first place.
Backdraft Hellkite - Most instant and sorceries you have are too expensive or are simply aren't as immediately useful (e.g. don't want to board wipe your own dragons). The most useful ones you run are removal, but at that point you can just play dragons that can inherently remove things like Steel Hellkite.
Crosis, the Purger - Hard to save mana to take advantage of its effect. It'll feel bad to take advantage of its effect in casual metas anyways. If you really want to run a dragon like this then Teneb, the Harvester might be more fitting but even then I wouldn't really recommend it, because of the mana investment needed to make it work.
Dragonmaster Outcast - Not a good early game play and easy to kill later on.
Kargan Dragonlord - Costs too much to do too little. We have so many dragon options, even in budget decks, that vanilla dragons simply aren't worth it.
Malfegor - Discarding our hand isn't good to do unless it involves redrawing more cards (e.g. Knollspine Dragon).
Necromaster Dragon - Summoning vanilla 2/2 zombie tokens for 2 mana isn't good value in a dragon deck, and you have to go through combat to get it off. In a world where Ancient Gold Dragon exists, it's hard to justify an effect like this. Dragon Broodmother and Lathliss, Dragon Queen and Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm would be far more effective token generators.
There's always more we could do to optimize any deck, including mine for sure, so I'd be happy to comment more later if you'd like. But I also want to emphasize that as long as you and your playgroup are having fun, you really can't go wrong :)
8 months ago
I've found that having that +3 +4 +5 from Primal Bellow and Blanchwood Armor sinergizes nicely with Dungrove Elder; they are also a nice pump to have against -something/-something in case i don't happen to have a vines to keep a Talara's Battalion down Harrow is also another way to put down Talara's Battalion on turn 3. Always loved the fact that you put lands untapped. Tried to use Cultivate but it's definitely not the same - lmk what i could change it for!
Fog has been a recent addition that i actually have not tested yet (but wanted to post the latest "version" of the deck here), so i could ditch it. i was running 3x Sylvan Caryatid but found them kinda useless both as defense and/or for mana.
Basically, i have run 3x Sylvan Caryatid instead of 3x Silhana Ledgewalker and 1 extra of Rancor Vines of Vastwood and Primal Bellow instead of the 3x Fog. Also a single Fertile Ground for an Abundant Harvest but i feel like the second ones are more useful and flexible. Found that often i have extra Rancor in my hand and that feels meh but agreen Fog might be on the useless side.
What would you change those cards for instead?