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Raven's Crime Discussion
4 hours ago
alright, so i'm not greatly familiar with creature based mono-black decks in modern. There's a good handful of black control strategies out there. most of them either use The Rack and Shrieking Affliction alongside a heavy dose of discard spells like Raven's Crime, Liliana of the Veil, Smallpox. What you're trying to do with this is interesting, but actually pretty darn good.
I can only think to make some tweaks to it since you already have most of the essentials. Idk if you're aware, but modern is packed to the brim with combo decks ever since blue control fell even further out of favor last year, so i'm pretty happy to see you already have Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughtseize.
anyway, tweaks. I think your creature choice is spot on. I might consider Vampire Nighthawk, and even Gravecrawler could be good. Decks where things just dont want to die can be very frustrating to deal with, so the combination of Gravecrawler, Bloodghast, and Geralf's Messenger could be very potent.
on the flip side, i love your idea of using Relentless Dead for recursion. same idea as using Gravecrawler, but it could bring back any of your threats, including (as you said) a way to drain twice with gary.
your removal could use some upgrades. Fatal Push is excellent. Go for the Throat is a good budget kill spell, but affinity decks are likely something you'll end up facing. it's pretty awkward staring down an Ornithopter with lethal sized Cranial Plating, and all you have is a Go for the Throat to defend yourself. that said, Dismember kills just about everything in modern. look at your deck for example. see anything that survives? =P lastly, Surgical Extraction. Honestly one of my favorite cards. it can rip lands right out of somebody's hand if they have 2 of the same fetchland in their opening hand. it can cripple combo decks into conceding games, and take the foot off the gas of just about any graveyard strategy. that said, unless you're playing a dedicated mill deck, it should realistically be in your sideboard. most decks dont care about their graveyards, and pulling some redundancy from somebody's deck doesn't make the card worth having over another threat or removal spell.
now for lands. Arena is interesting, but i cant say im a fan. personally not something i would run. i'd rather just have a swamp and guarantee ill have mana. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth can make up for Arena's shortcoming, but it wont happen consistently. it also covers nykthos. the key change here would be to add some fetchlands. I'd say around 8 fetchlands that go into black would be plenty to help filter your deck. this really isn't a big deal, and honestly you could save the money and run 20 swamps. I think the deck is consistent enough that it wouldn't even be an issue, but if you want to make the upgrades, i think a few fetches are ideal.
As some other ideas for you to consider: Dark Confidant is an option in place of Phyrexian Arena, although i actually like the arena since it wont get killed as easily. however, bob also acts as another threat. it's a tricky choice. I saw in your maybeboard you were considering Liliana of the Veil and Liliana of the Dark Realms. Liliana of the Veil is arguably the most powerful planeswalker in the game. right up there with Jace, the Mind Sculptor, she can win games all by herself. 2 or 3 copies will cost you a kidney and your firstborn child, but i promise you'll see some success with her. dark realms i wouldn't recommend. she doesn't synergize with your deck very well. another that might interest you instead is Liliana, the Last Hope. she acts as removal, psuedo-draw, and recursion. 3 things your deck already does, and would be happy to have more of. Also, she's rotating out of standard at the end of September, so her price is sure to drop when that happens.
Well, i hope that helps. I actually had to do a little research for you, but this deck has a lot of potential. even if you played it as it sits right now, i think you'd be pleased with its performance. I really like this deck. it's super old-school, and reminds me of the older black control decks with Hymn to Tourach, Necropotence, Drain Life. you've got a lot of very similar cards in here, and it's pretty sweet!
anyway, let me know what you think, and if you need help with sideboarding
5 days ago
Raven's Crime is also extremely good. Turns all your top deck lands into discard.
5 days ago
Thanks for the suggestions, G.
Agree that Crib Swap is fantastic, although the choice not to include it was a meta call. If more folks at my LGS ran Dredge, or EldraTron, or anything with tough to kill creatures, then those would definitely be in there. Although lately, Devoted Vizier Company seems to be enjoying its popularity... so all the Finks & the Restoration Gearsmiths have been making me consider some Crib Swaps. We'll see how long that deck stays hot.
I hear you about Raven's Crime & seeing the opponent's hand. CoBru is so versatile, too... thing is, too often I find myself not having a 1CC/1st turn play. And I'd considered swapping out a Raven's or two for an Inquisition or two. But Knight of the Reliquary would complain about not enough lands in the 'yard.
I tried out Funeral Charm for a bit, too. Love those things; never a dead draw. But they were traded out for the CoBru's. Again, better for filling the yard full of lands.
5 days ago
also i would go something like -2 Raven's Crime and go +1 Collective Brutality + 1 else (2nd Syphon Life maybe).
I have tested both Raven's Crime and Collective Brutality a lot and the bonus you gain from looking at your opponents hand is wayyyy better than being able to spamm discard. You need to know what to expect from your opponent so you can play around it.
1 week ago
1 week ago
Sweet first deck! I'd add Shrieking Affliction as an additional "Rack", and maybe even other Mind Rot effects over some copies of Dreadbore/Terminate. After all, if they have no creatures in hand, they can't be played. Smallpox, Raven's Crime, and the like might be helpful.
Let me know if I can be of more help! Best of luck!
2 weeks ago
There's the option to play a BUG shell with Kiora's Follower, Arbor Elf, Utopia Sprawl, Garruk Wildspeaker, Kiora, Master of the Depths, etc. With that much ramp, you can easily get a turn 3 New Perspectives. You then cycle through your deck and go for the kill via Laboratory Maniac.
The other thing I was thinking of is with Shadow of the Grave, it's not just when you cycle cards, but whenever you discard anything. This opens up options for things like Worm Harvest, Greater Good, Raven's Crime, Cathartic Reunion,Conflagrate, and so on. The only downside is needing mana because they don't benefit from New Perspectives.
1 month ago
Blightning is a must have if you want to get an opponent too!
And if you draw lots of lands after you don't need them you can run Raven's Crime You make someone else discard and discard a land both at the same time.
Why protect yourself from your opponents spells when your opponent can't cast them? :D
Good luck and +1