Caustic Wasps

Creature — Insect

Flying

Whenever Caustic Wasps deals combat damage to a player, you may destroy target artifact that player controls.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Premodern	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (6)

DreadKhan on Thantis the Warweaver

1 year ago

For Clackbridge, ymmv but I felt like mentioning that I've been burnt by it lots of times. I'm sure there are metas where it's a much better card, where people consistently have nothing they want to sacrifice, in my experience I was giving my opponent a free sac outlet every turn that also turned off my 8/8, which felt legit bad.

I use Deathtouch/Trample in my OG Multani deck, it's not especially rare for him to swing as a 30/30 vs the first opponent I'm going to eliminate, those two together usually means they can't block enough of his power to survive. Having both on an 8/8 is fine, but it's really great when you can get over 20 power with some consistency, I could see Grismold achieving that by the time you're ready to eliminate someone.

My issue with Sunder Shaman is that there are so, so many better ways to remove artifacts and enchantments in Jund, and most of them aren't RRGG to cast, an officially awkward to cast spell. I know he's got Green here, but I remember trying to make Kaya's Wrath work in an Esper deck. It proved consistently impossible to cast, and when I could it held up other stuff because it's just too colour intensive. Something like Kogla, the Titan Ape is probably many times the card, providing a bigger body that fights something on ETB sounds a lot better, add in that Kogla is maybe easier to cast with a bigger board presence and I feel the point should be made. If you want something small that can do something similar, there is Caustic Wasps, which is evasive and kills artifacts, as well as stuff like Thrashing Brontodon and Reclamation Sage, without using a non-creature option. Sunder Shaman seems to combine a so-so body with an ability that isn't particularly easy to guarantee, people can stop your attacks in a variety of ways and Shaman needs to deal damage. Kogla just needs to swing and something is getting blown up, that's much more relevant. If you want something earlier than Kogla you can use Outland Liberator  ^Flip, which can work without attacking and on every attack if you can get it flipped, I'd actually say that's a lot more consistent than Shaman. If anything I'd run more artifact/enchantment removal, there are tons of people who run infuriating stuff like Propaganda and even the dreaded War Tax. If I was building Thantis like this, I think I'd want War Cadence, very politically relevant. I personally love removal in most decks, and I wouldn't hesitate to run some in a deck like this, especially clunky damage based wipes, because Thantis can be huge sometimes and survive a Blasphemous Act.

Haha, I think Duo AND Crown would be pretty absurd, both only hurt your opponents. Still, I do agree he might be trying to do too many things at once here, and that's why it's hard to cut cards.

Monarch is a good way to get people swinging, but Coveted Jewel is the real 'kingmaker' you can run to create utter chaos. It's one thing to turn down 1 free card, but to turn down 3 mana and 3 cards is just madness, and letting someone else keep that 3 mana for their next turn is likewise unacceptable, so it can create a ton of chaos. Something like Kamahl, Fist of Krosa could be pretty interesting, if a land is a creature it either has to get tapped down or swung with, and small creatures die. Jolrael, Empress of Beasts can turn their entire land base into 3/3s. I'm not saying you should threaten people's mana bases, but I'd feel remiss if I didn't bring it up.

Re: running more Green ramp, I like to run more Green mana sources in a deck that runs lots of Green ramp, as long as I have Green ramp and Green mana I can find whatever other mana I want. There are so many decent 2 and 3 mana ramp spells in Green, even stuff like Wood Elves or Farhaven Elf can work beautifully, if you dig out a tapped dual it feels pretty good with Wood, Farhaven just finds whatever basic you need.

mmcgeach on The Great Radhaggro

5 years ago

@deakmana, Thanks for the comments!

Its cool to get some comments from an actual competitive perspective.

Re: Crop Rotation : The card disadvantage is real; and it might not be obvious from just reading this list, but it doesn't really need Gaea's Cradle, it's just sort of nice to have. Most of the time you want a Blood Moon effect anyway, so the Cradle gets turned off (and Scavenger Grounds, and Spinerock Knoll). Although Boseiju, Who Shelters All is an interesting suggestion.

Spinerock Knoll has been good so far. It's a nice way to get more gas at a pretty minimal cost; in many cases it doesn't even cost a card.

I'm never sad to see a one-sided wipe. Literally every competitive deck except maybe Jeleva and Teferi have creatures in play. I'm not sure if you've played any competitive EDH in the last 18 months, but there's these two commanders called Thrasios and Tymna... And those decks tend to be loaded with creatures. It's sort of a bummer that most decks actually do have a few creatures in play, frequently with stats like 1/3 or 2/2, which makes it hard to get clean attacks with the hatebears. Ezuri's Predation is just about as easy to cast as Mizzium Mortars, and is vastly superior. Not only is it disruption and mana destruction, it's nearly a game-ending threat!

re: Gamble. I tried this and cut it quickly. If you want to use it to get something you're not going to discard, then you have to do it off your opening 7. That means you're spending turn 1 playing gamble instead of a mana elf, which is just terrible. Or your spending turn 2 playing gable instead of a stax piece, which is also terrible. Then if you want to play it turn 3, you've got 3 cards left in hand. One of the benefits of this deck is that it doesn't use the graveyard... so if the tutor target gets discarded it's gone for good. In a lot of decks Gamble is good because it's a second copy of Entomb. As you can see, the opposite is true here.

Incidentally, Chrome Mox has a similar problem: basically its likely that you don't have enough spare cards to come back from the card disadvantage. The general doesn't provide card advantage, so we're not reliably ramping into something that refills the hand.

I've tried Orcish Lumberjack. It's really bad to play a turn 1 dork that might not actually make mana, which happens, if you don't have a forest. It can be strong tho. Perhaps its worth using. Have you tested it in this list?

Re: By Force. Could you talk about why By Force would be superior in this list to Artifact Mutation, Vandalblast, Reclamation Sage, Bane of Progress, Release the Gremlins, and Caustic Wasps?

I've also tried and cut Skullclamp. It's just slow and not good. I don't have a reliable 1-toughness token producer (like in a Tana, the Bloodsower deck), and basically token-making isn't a great route to victory. It doesn't draw off commanders and the only thing that leaves is using it to draw off mana elves after the mid-game when you don't need the mana anymore. That's just not a winning plan, anyway.

Root Maze, Hall of Gemstone, Imperial Recruiter, and City of Traitors are all decent suggestions, Worth considering! Have you tried any of them in this list, or a similar one?

hosshughes on Bugs - Thriss $40 Budget Infectious Insects

6 years ago

@turnedexpery81: Thanks for the comments! Swarmyard is in the upgrade section due to its price. Nantuko Vigilante was in an original build of this but I already had Caustic Caterpillar, Caustic Wasps, Rust Scarab and Viridian Corrupter which I think are all better, so it found the cutting room floor.

mr_funk on Multiplayer G/W splash shenanigans

7 years ago

i would recommend against Brimaz, King of Oreskos because it will kill the copies when it has myriad. and for that matter, all the "when ~ attacks..." triggers dont happen for the miriad copy since they enter already attacking, so i would shift to a more "when ~ does damage to a player.." effects. i really like the idea of Hydra Omnivore with myriad. that is pretty awesome.

side idea: creatures with Renown. you get the trigger when it deals damage, and you could use Valeron Wardens to draw mad cards.

otherwise, Slith Predator, Slith Ascendant, Spawnwrithe, sword of ___ (basically any of them), Wayfaring Temple, Augury Adept, Blinding Angel, Caustic Wasps, Celestial Mantle, Dawning Purist, Lightwielder Paladin, Living Hive!!!, Ohran Viper, Precinct Captain, Quietus Spike, and Relic Seeker .. to name a few. also, all the old inistrad vampires like Bloodcrazed Neonate have that interaction as well, although you arent playing red.

and with this "whenever ~ deals damage to a player.." trigger, you could use stuff like Rancor or Primal Rage

or you could use cards with Exalted like Sublime Archangel because the trigger happens on declaration of attack before the copies come in with myriad.

raider2473 on Excuse for Artifact Hate

7 years ago

I'll have to agree with you on the Gleeful Sabotage. I love the Viashino Heretic and will put 4 copies in. However, I'm not as impressed by Goblin Tinkerer and Caustic Wasps so I only put 2 of each in, replacing the caterpillars. Thanks for the suggestions.

Liscom on Excuse for Artifact Hate

7 years ago

Wow, I really really like this idea!

I have some more cards you might think of, if you have not done so already:Goblin Tinkerer -> Lands have no mana costsViashino Heretic -> put some more damage inCaustic Wasps -> needs to be unblocked, but would destroy artifacts "for free"