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Creature — Human Druid
When Yavimaya Elder is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, you may search your library for up to two basic land cards, reveal them, and put them into your hand. If you do, shuffle your library.
, Sacrifice Yavimaya Elder: Draw a card.
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Yavimaya Elder Discussion
6 days ago
Hi iatetoomxch i really like your list. I play a similar list. So i will give you some recommendions. Because of your direct impact preference:
- Aura of Silence - hate and destroy one ^^
- Wood Elves - really good with the recursion possibilitys
- Plaguecrafter - best. Only creature Answer for planeswalker
- Ravenous Chupacabra - destroy target creature (an opponent controls)
- Ramunap Excavator - i play this card with - Azusa, Lost but Seeking and Oracle of Mul Daya and Yavimaya Elder to ramp lands or Wasteland or Horizon Canopy
- Grand Abolisher - make your turn save
- Grasp of Fate - sometimes you want more than one thing away
- Massacre Wurm - shave live
- Bane of Progress - destroy all enchantment and artifact
good but not direct impact:
- Underrealm Lich i like him... sure to mana expensive for your meta
- Bounty Agent - idk new try to kill commander i think
- Kambal, Consul of Allocation - soft lock for life
- Mesmeric Orb really good fill for the graveyard and annoys the other ^^
- Caustic Caterpillar
- Bloom Tender
- Helm of Obedience - against my deck all who can play Rest in Peace so this is the answer...
1 week ago
Yo WarriorMagic, based on the list you sent me it seems like you want to go with the value route. Is there a particular budget that you have in mind? Muldrotha has access to a plethora of colors, I can help you get like a defined list of core cards and packages that would be great and than you can add in your particular flair that you like to make it more personalized for your meta or style.
Right away from what I can see these are already a list of cards you can cut due to inefficiency.
- Dimir Locket
- Golgari Locket
- Kodama's Reach
- Splendid Reclamation
- Jarad's Order
- Final Parting
- Vessel of Nascency
- Secrets of the Dead
- The Eldest Reborn
- Journey to Eternity Flip
- Deadbridge Chant
- Ash Barrens
- Blighted Woodland
- Azusa, Lost but Seeking
- Butcher of Malakir
- Hydroid Krasis
- Izoni, Thousand-Eyed
- Underrealm Lich
- Night Incarnate
- Priest of Forgotten Gods
- Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
- Perpetual Timepiece
- Yavimaya Elder
- Liliana, Death's Majesty
Cut these cards away first so we can see the deck in a 100 cards first than we can work from there~
2 weeks ago
I would definitely add these cards: Phyrexian Processor , Phyrexian Rebirth , Slime Molding (better than it looks since paying 11 mana will give you a 3 mana 10/10 each turn after), Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage (populate mana-sink late game), Parallel Evolution , Illusionist's Bracers (populate twice, for the same price!), Acidic Slime (just an awesome green staple), Sakura-Tribe Elder , Phantom General , Angel of Sanctions (INFINITE REMOVAL EACH TURN!), Beast Within (staple removal in green), Budoka Gardener / Dokai, Weaver of Life (mana acc and lategame big tokens in one)
I would consider these also: Worldspine Wurm , Parallel Lives (awesome, but a bit $$$), Rootborn Defenses (stops a board-wipe and pops), Trostani's Judgment (high cmc, but good value), Overrun (probably wins you the game if you have a few creatures out), Hydra Broodmaster , Austere Command (wipes opponents' boards, but a bit $$$), Elspeth, Sun's Champion , Elspeth Tirel (both Elspeths have great board wipes for token decks), Oblivion Ring , Yavimaya Elder , Ajani Goldmane / Ajani, Caller of the Pride (both have great synergy with big lifegains), Baloth Cage Trap (P.S you can play this and populate as combat trick!), Beast Attack (the flashback makes this a good comeback-card in case of board wipe and you need to get the pop-engine going), Blade Splicer (very powerful early-mid game)
I would 100% cut these cards: Take Heart , Centaur Healer , Healer's Hawk , Parhelion Patrol , Candlelight Vigil , Conviction , Noble Purpose , Flight of Equenauts , Siege Wurm , Bounty of Might (no trample=hard to use)
2 weeks ago
I was intrigued and looked for your list, but I didn't see it on TappedOut. We should compare, at the very least!
In any case, sorry it took so long to write this response. I wanted to try and break down what I think are your main points, and, well, I apologize if I misinterpreted you, but here's what I got out of your comment:
The way I read it, it looks like you're saying the deck needs to be slower. This reading is a little unfair on my part, possibly a little too overly hostile, but, I mean, I can't fathom a turn-six kill when I play a card like Peregrination on turn four. Like, that's just not going to happen. And if you're arguing that the deck becomes more able to grind, well, I have two problems with that:
First, I guess I don't know your meta entirely, but do non-optomized tables not just gun for Sasaya immediately? Like, even just reading what she does kind of sets off some alarm bells, doesn't it? I know everytime I play with somebody new, whenever I get to the "So if I have six Forests out, they all tap for six green" bit, the inevitable response is something akin to "Oh, that's not good." And then if the combo does work, all the more incentive to get targeted next game, or next week, or whenever I play the deck again. That's why I aim for speed above everything else, because if I don't, well, I just get run over.
Second, the methods you suggest of becoming more resilient don't really work? Like, yeah, Howling Mine has its uses, but I'd really rather not give my opponents more cards to beat me with, because I'm still the target. It's also why I'm skeptical of Oath of Druids . It's not that I probably won't get free stuff, it's that other people get free stuff first, and when Sasaya's on top of the hill -- a position the deck's going to be in until it's dead -- all that free stuff is headed right at me. I figure you disagree with me about this -- I mean, you did talk about how people want to deal with other people's threats -- but that really hasn't been my experience.
Incidentally, these are the reasons I cut utility lands as well. They do have a use. Of course they have a use. But that use is kind of marginal when just playing them makes the deck slower. If they were named "Forest" or "Snow-Covered Forest", we might be talking, but they're not. The only instance I can imagine where that wouldn't be the case is hitting one off of Oracle of Mul Daya , and that seems kind of marginal at best. I've mentioned this before, but sometimes I'm not even sure Scrying Sheets belongs in this deck.
But, speaking of Utility lands, let's talk Reliquary Tower . Or, I guess more specifically, "no max hand size" effects and why I think they're bad/overrated:
So the consensus as far as I understand it in "real EDH" (read: non-Sasaya) circles is that these cards (Reliquary Tower specifically, though I imagine Spellbook and Library of Leng have similar reasoning (at least Thought Vessel is a mana rock)) are kind of win-more. Like, there is definitely the feel-bad psychological effect of casting a big Blue Sun's Zenith , not finding an outlet for all those cards, and having to discard all the way back down to seven, effectively wasting all that mana, but if you think about it, at the end of the day you're still keeping seven really good cards. So that plus the fact that the graveyard is much more of a resource in EDH than almost anywhere else, and the "no max hand size" effect starts to lose its luster.
But let's talk about Sasaya specifically. As you mentioned, seven lands is a lot of hand space. Under normal circumstances, that means you'll only really have room for one payoff spell, so it better be a good one (put a pin in this idea, we'll come back to it in a bit). But there are alternatives. Last paragraph, I talked about the feel-bad of not getting to keep that big hand, but remember how that big hand happened in the first place: a Blue Sun's Zenith. More specific to my point: an instant.
Continuing this thought experiment a little further, let's ask why a player might cast a 7+ card draw spell in the first place. One might imagine that a player casts such a draw spell hoping for an effect that removes their hand limit, but that's not the only possibility. They could also be looking for a specific combo -- a way to end the game. Compare that to Sasaya's instant-speed land searchers (a special shout-out to Yavimaya Elder !). In Sasaya's case, the payoff effect we're looking for is already in the Command Zone.
In my opinion, therefore, the deck doesn't need its hand limit removed because there are enough effects that ignore that limitation, and cards like Expedition Map that can find these cards aren't actually that good.
But the "why" for that specific claim is a different topic entirely. Let's talk about it!
In your post, you mentioned that cards like Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , and Peregrination were all "ideal ramp spells" for a Sasaya player, as they also added a land to the hand, therefore ending up card-positive. Now, I already dismissed Peregrination out of hand for being too slow, but it's important to include it here as well because I feel it has the same other trappings that might encourage a Sasaya player to play these cards. In short, I posit that these cards are, in fact, card-neutral at best.
This applies to Renegade Map et al. as well, but I'm just going to focus on the sorceries just for simplicity's sake. Let's examine a typical goldfish turn. First, the draw step. Obviously, they're at plus one card. Then, the goldfish plays a land, removing a card, then playing a non-land, which is minus another. If that non-land is a Cultivate effect, that only adds one card back, which leaves the goldfish more or less where they started. Because ramp becomes negligible once Sasaya flips (while there is certainly a difference between, say, eightteen starting mana and twenty-eight, I find it's not enough to worry about, and the difference between twenty-eight and forty is even less), that means the goldfish is spending three mana on nothing much at all (as a sidenote, you might notice Nissa's Pilgrimage and Evolution Charm in the deck, which seem to contradict this point. However, both of these cards have occasional upside potential. It doesn't always happen (and, in Pilgrimage's case, certainly never on Turn 3), but circumstances for it do exist, so they keep their slots).
The solution some Sasaya players offer is to stop making land drops, but that seems so tempo-negative to me. I feel that, if I do continue making land-drops, eventually I'll be able to cast these giant threats without the help of Sasaya, and could easily win the game that way.
Lastly, before I get into specific cards, I wanted to talk about the ramp spells I do play. Namely Azusa, Lost but Seeking and similar effects. I already mentioned the speed aspect of my build, and these cards are a part of that. To be more specific, these cards are in the deck to turn cards like Chord of Calling and Citanul Flute into more ramp if necessary, which, when you're going for a Sasaya flip and a kill in the same turn, is worth having in the toolbox. But these cards also function as pseudo-alternate win-conditions. As I alluded to just a paragraph above, the only difference between tapping ten lands for a Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and tapping one or two is how smug the caster gets to feel. But the caster still gets an eldrazi in either method, so I don't think the difference in smugness is very big.
So now we come back to that pin I made earlier. Let's talk card specifics. Now, I've tried to go through a lot of these already, sifting through to get at your main points, but there are some notable stragglers, so let's take a look:
Summer Bloom : I've tried it. The problem is, because it's a one-shot effect, it's way too dead pre-flip. Azusa and her kin are both tutorable and stick around, so they're just better.
Skyship Weatherlight : This and Book of Rass are my two favorite suggestions, and I definitely want to try playing around with them on paper instead of just theorycrafting. If there's anything you take from this too-long screed, I want to thank you for bringing these cards to my attention.
Goblin Cannon : This was suggested before and I didn't really dismiss it off-hand, though I did ask "What do I cut?" I didn't have a good answer, then, though maybe it's -1 Akroma's Memorial , Hydra Broodmaster , and Kamahl, Fist of Krosa for +1 Goblin Cannon , Book of Rass , and Skyship Weatherlight ? I'm still hesitant because Kamahl at least is fine pre-flip (Broodmaster is bad yes, but not terrible. At least, I think there's a difference there), not to mention in my meta, effects like Crawlspace and Ensnaring Bridge are less popular than Leyline of Sanctity or even Aegis of the Gods . I guess there I'll have to test and see. You're right, by the way, about Akroma's Memorial being pretty dead 99% of the time, but it's the best haste outlet, and specific kill's been good enough for me.
If I didn't mention a card here, it's because it obviously is different from either my strategy as I've listed in various places, or is implicitly against the deckbuilding philosophy of my particular list. Or maybe I missed it, and you can bring it up if/when you respond.
In any case, thanks for the comment, and keep fighting the mono-green combo fight!
3 weeks ago
Off the bat, here are some cards I would cut.
- Yavimaya Elder - Too slow
- Whisper, Blood Liturgist - Same and requires a bit of creatures
- Weaponcraft Enthusiast - Without Nim Deathmantle there's no point in running him
- Soul Harvest - Better CA options
- Primordial Sage - Beast Whisperer is a direct upgrade
- Hornet Queen - I don't hate it, but it's not really a bomb card as well
- Decree of Pain - Better options
- Explosive Vegetation - Skyshroud Claim is better but at the same time 4 CMC there are better cards that can fit in this slot
- Rise of the Dark Realms - Fun but high CMC
Hope that helps!
3 weeks ago
There is not much in your colors for card draw, I don't know if you need it. Here are a couple good options for it though Yavimaya Elder , Nantuko Shaman , Explore , Citanul Woodreaders , and Bequeathal . Explore looks the best to me, but yavimaya elder seems pretty good too.
1 month ago
I've mentioned this before, but I feel its worth repeating. Izoni, Thousand-Eyed is a nice card, but has its drawbacks. The major drawback I see is her high CMC, which is 6. So let's say even if you are hitting ramp every turn to start the game, then you're looking at a turn 4 cast, most likely. If you really ramp hard, let's say turn one, Land drop and Sol Ring, done. Turn 2, Land drop, Dork, tap Sol Ring for let's say Ashnod's Altar. So you'd have two dorks, two lands, Sol Ring and Altar after two awesome turns to start turn three. I think hitting this kind of setup consistently will be difficult to do. And then there's the fact that you likely don't have anything in the graveyard to make Izoni worth casting yet, if your goal is utilizing the Undergrowth mechanic. And then, you likely want to use the Undergrowth mechanic more often throughout the game, and hopefully scaling it with the game, giving you more tokens each time you cast her. But the next cast is 8 CMC, then 10 CMC, and so on with Commander tax. Its a tough sell. Or, you build up the graveyard and hope for one big haul on her first casting, and then go from there, dredging and pitching and sacrificing creatures to the bin in order to get a good ROI. This makes her more situational than anything, and do you want your Commander to be situational, or the centerpiece of what your deck does?
What I think you should consider is focusing more on her second ability, which is card draw and sac outlet on a stick. Focus that with the Aristocrats strategy, and worry about Undergrowth as a secondary measure. Cards like Mycoloth will work great with this, and another peach you could consider running is Deranged Hermit. He'll give you four squirrels each time he hits the board, which is more fodder for the Aristocrats and for Izoni. Verdant Force, Tendershoot Dryad, and Verdant Embrace all generate more tokens for your saccing pleasure. An Elvish Piper can help you in the mid to late game when you start trying to bounce Izoni with Temur Sabertooth or Erratic Portal.
So the token strategy will help set up the Aristocrats theme of the deck. Now you don't have to be quite so creature-heavy to start the game. You can play selective creatures that sac themselves in the early game (Sakura-Tribe Elder, Burnished Hart, Yavimaya Elder, Blood Pet, Blood Vassal, Caustic Caterpillar, etc) and your dredge creatures to help set up the mid game when you want to start using Izoni multiple times. Meren of Clan Nel Toth hitting the board would be huge in the mid to late game, especially if you can protect her. I've mentioned in the past that I'd just rather play Meren as the commander, and let Izoni be a support card, but Izoni can work, with the proper approach and a bit more care. I hope this helps
2 months ago
Yavimaya Elder occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.18%
RG (Gruul): 0.19%
BRG (Jund): 0.27%
BUG (Sultai): 0.1%