Needle Spires
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Needle Spires

Land

Needle Spires enters the battlefield tapped.

: Add or .

: Needle Spires becomes a 2/1 red and white Elemental creature with double strike until end of turn. It's still a land.

StopShot on Two rules change suggestions to …

3 weeks ago

[My EDH Background]

I used to be an avid EDH player until my old playgroup dissolved. It was only until recently that I built an EDH deck after more than half a decade and felt lost after two recent commander nights. I had dropped off after Hour of Devestation only to find the present-day meta feels like a completely different format than the one I had enjoyed. Seeing the prEDH format caught my attention but given I had gotten into EDH around Fate Reforged, the prEDH card restrictions seemed to dial things too far back for me, and I feel like a lot of players who got into EDH around the same time period as myself might feel the same way. As such, this format may feel just as alien to a good portion of left out players today, but I'd like to discuss if maybe that aspect could be improved upon.

[The New Phyrexia cut-off should not be extended]

I'd like to make two suggestions to adjust the scope of this format. One suggestion I will not ask though, is that the set cutoff point be extended past New Phyrexia. I agree with the rationale for excluding all of MTG that took place during and after the first commander preconstructed products were released. This is in place to make the format 100% organic and extending the cut-off to any other set would be highly arbitrary and subject to much disagreement.

[Issue #1 - OG Duals and Patchy Manabases]

But there are some issues that should be addressed and remedied regarding this format. One being at the time of New Phyrexia's release the monetary cost of OG dual lands were significantly cheaper then than as they are now. Given the best manabases for prEDH would use OG Duals, Fetchlands, and Shocklands, not having easy access to one (or more) of them puts non-legacy players in the rough spot of relying on prEDH's limited and patchy color-fixing options which can leave new decks performing at a more clunky pace than they otherwise would be if built back in New Phyrexia. Now I'm not against players using proxies but I think a format does a lot better at attracting a wider audience if they're not inclined to feel like they have to proxy reserve list cards to fully enjoy the format as intended.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #1]

I believe that if there is a land or mana-rock cycle that started before New Phyrexia, but was completed sometime after New Phyrexia, then all cards of that cycle should be made legal in prEDH just so that all color identities have equal access to their colors, because prEDH has a surprising number of incomplete mana cycles. This change would make the following cards and their colorshifted counterparts legal in prEDH despite being printed after New Phyrexia: (Clifftop Retreat), (Inspiring Vantage), (Needle Spires), (Nomad Outpost), (Snow-Covered Wastes), (Stone Quarry), (Sunbaked Canyon), (Sunscorched Divide), (Talisman of Conviction), (Wastes), and (Wind-Scarred Crag). This rule would also still apply to any new cards that would complete any of the cycles that have yet to be completed as well such as if Wizards were to ever complete the cycles for (Crosis's Catacombs), (Grove of the Burnwillows), (Nimbus Maze), (Wildfield Borderpost), etc.

[Issue #2 - Lack of Color Identity Options]

One aspect that made EDH novel is its color restriction on deck-building. From its inception, you would pick any of 5 Elder Dragons to be your Highlander and you would be barred from utilizing whatever 2 colors were not part of that dragon's identity. As the game grew into commander you could pick any legendary creature to be your commander instead and the color restriction carried over to your commander's color identity. The issue is prEDH's list of legal commanders provides a very limited line-up of commanders for any multicolored identity. Some color identities only have 1 commander legal for that color identity, and a vast majority of legal commanders are mono-colored which imposes a much heavier restriction than EDH had first set out to be with its 3-color dragons. This can lead to an over-saturation of players picking the same commander from the limited multicolor roster and more players picking up 5-color commanders, because their favorite color combination is restricted to just Numot, the Devastator, or Oros, the Avenger, or Vorosh, the Hunter. This isn't to say there won't be players playing mono-colored or everyone will be playing Reaper King because their favorite color-combination is underrepresented, but that prEDH restricts cards not just by set, but also much more heavily with color as well which can result in a poorer deck diversity than modern day EDH; (an issue that was not present when Commander was a much smaller and niche format). It's to this end I feel color restrictions could be opened up a bit to counteract the set restriction as a trade-off and that by doing so with the EDH philosophy in mind won't warp or distort the power level or vibe of prEDH.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #2]

In order to open up the commander color restriction, prEDH decks would have a land in the command zone in addition to the commander with this land serving as the "Commander's Domain." The color identity or basic land type of the Commander's Domain would set the color restriction on what cards can be included in the deck including the commander instead of it being the commander's color identity that restricts card inclusion. The lands that can be chosen to be your Commander's Domain consist only of: any of the 10 trilands such as Seaside Citadel, any of the 10 match-lands such as Glacial Fortress, or any basic land such as Plains or Wastes. The Commander's Domain would not be subject to the command tax and can be played as your land for turn by either exiling a basic land card from your hand or by exiling a basic land you own on the battlefield. One exception to this rule will be made for all 5-color legendary commanders. 5-color legendary creatures may be used as your commander regardless of your Commander's Domain and if your commander is 5-color you may run any basic land in your deck regardless of your Commander's Domain. Your Commander's Domain will still restrict what spells and non-basic lands you can include in your deck, however. This proposal seeks to expand deck diversity and creativity while still abiding to the original EDH tenant of limiting what colors may be included in your deck as well as provide an additional means of color fixing due to the greater lack of lands that are both decent and affordable in this format.

[Concluding Thoughts - The goal is not to make prEDH more like modern EDH]

The sake of these proposals isn't to make something new and flashy for the sake of making something new and flashy, but to make prEDH feel more like everyone's first EDH experience including for those who got into the format well after New Phyrexia but well before the current meta. That is not to say "make prEDH more like EDH" as that is the furthest thing from this thread's intention. This is more of a belief that a lot more can be gained while sacrificing very little and that much could benefit current prEDH players who would like to see more people play their format. It's possible my proposals may have missed this mark, but I would like to start a discussion on whether there are current shortcomings in this format and if it would be worth it to make changes to mitigate them or not to better the health and/or standing of this format.

MTGBurgeoning on Feather Locklear

7 months ago

I have not considered Mistveil Plains. A little graveyard-to-the-library recursion may be useful, particularly, as you mentioned, with Sunforger on our side of the battlefield. Maybe swapping this in for Needle Spires or Temple of Triumph is reasonable. Vandalblast's absence from the deck at this time can be explained by availability. When this deck was built, copies of Vandalblast were not plentiful. Now, after many instances of reprinting, it is much more feasible to include a copy of it here. As for Into the Core, I've always been a big fan of this card, and for the reasons you mentioned: Instant-speed artifact exile. Blightsteel Colossus is very, very popular in my playgroup, to the point of reconciling ways to answer it for when (not if) if hits the battlefield. Into the Core handles this problem well. Another card I love is Aria of Flame. I have championed this card since its debut in MH1. It is the second card I consider tutoring for after Aetherflux Reservoir. Its enchantment status gives it staying power on the battlefield, and if the Feather engine is revving optimally, then gifting our opponents with that extra life is never a problem. Give it a whirl!

CommanderNeyo on These Hands Rated S for Speed

1 year ago

Howdy! Note that you cannot use Archangel of Wrath, because although it is a white creature it has black in its color identity because of the {{b}} kicker cost.

Have you considered adding Sol Ring, Boros Signet, and Talisman of Conviction? They are excellent mana options.

I also would consider adding (2) more lands - your commander is (5) mana, so you want to make sure you can cast her.

Also, giving Karlach haste will speed up the gameplan - consider cards such as Lightning Greaves or Rising of the Day. I especially recommend Rising of the Day, because it also gives your commander +1 power - so you can one-shot a player every turn with commander damage.

You have a generally high average mana cost for the deck, so I would consider removing some of the higher cost cards or add more ramp, such as Worn Powerstone and Thran Dynamo.

I would consider removing Earth Tremor and replacing it with Swords to Plowshares. Generally you want your removal spells to be around 1 or 2 mana, so that you aren't spending all the mana in your turn just to remove one threat.

I would also consider updating the lands you have - there are lots of cheap lands to consider, such as: Command Tower, Needle Spires, Battlefield Forge, Temple of Triumph, Clifftop Retreat, Boros Garrison, Furycalm Snarl, Wind-Scarred Crag, Sacred Peaks, Boros Guildgate, Alpine Meadow, Stone Quarry, Rustvale Bridge, and Lorehold Campus.

Hope this was useful!

Fluggleshmuggits on Cube Eternal

2 years ago

Changelog 12/10/22

Original Dual lands are in
2 color man lands are in
upgrades in every color and almost every guild pair

IN

OUT

SufferFromEDHD on The Lands Restored

2 years ago

Boseiju, Who Endures removal.

Emeria, The Sky Ruin recursion.

Deserted Temple to utilize all these utility lands.

Hall of Heliod's Generosity probably worth testing.

Needle Spires + Kessig Wolf Run is one of the strongest manlands in the game.

Rith's Grove Naya land that feeds landfall.

Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth + Mana Web is brutal. If you decide to run Yavimaya then Glacial Chasm is worth considering. Maze of Ith too.

Yavimaya Hollow probably worth testing.

jjmac112 on unBillieveable

2 years ago

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So this is the deck as it was pre changes. First of all, I think you'll notice that I swapped 17 cards, not 15 lol. Secondly, you'll see that Osgir, the Reconstructor has taken Brion's job. After all the changes the deck has been through I found myself rarely casting Brion and the few time I've played with Osgir have been valuable experiences ;)

Cards out: Brion Stoutarm, Felidar Sovereign, Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Serra Avatar, Iroas, God of Victory, Descend upon the Sinful, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Magma Phoenix, Prison Term, Figure of Destiny, Student of Warfare, Prophetic Flamespeaker, Land Tax, Dawn of Hope, Lone Rider  Flip, Needle Spires

So with Brion out so too are the cards that combo with him the most like Serra Avatar and Magma Phoenix. With everything else I just needed to make space for stuff that I can squeeze a little (or a lot) more value out of. The one thing I am thinking should find its way back is Gisela, Blade of Goldnight. It's a powerful finisher and I'm now short on things that can take my board state and put an end to the game.

Cards in: Nahiri, the Lithomancer, Zirda, the Dawnwaker, Venerable Warsinger, Feldon of the Third Path, Battle Angels of Tyr, Dockside Extortionist, Deep Gnome Terramancer, Archivist of Oghma, Akiri, Line-Slinger, Wheel of Fortune, Faithless Looting, Teferi's Protection, Anointed Procession, Smuggler's Share, Expedition Map, Swiftfoot Boots, Darksteel Citadel

Also, I just realize I should add Rustvale Bridge and Treasure Vault

9-lives on

2 years ago

Alright! Awesome! forneyt, thank you so much for your help! You are amazing! Yes, nearly all of my cards take at least . Unfortunately, I can't change my manabase this week, and I plan on playing this week. However, I have this small issue: wouldn't it be better to run multiple Raugrin Triome and Mystic Monastery instead of lands that enter tapped while they have only two mana colors, like Needle Spires, Wandering Fumarole, Temple of Triumph, Temple of Epiphany and Celestial Colonnade? That means there are at least 6 tri-land I can add instead of those, and that brings me back to 8x tri-lands as in my original manabase as posted. The advantage of those cards is their activated abilities, but I don't plan on running many of those abilities. And, Everything that is listed on this deck is already owned by me. I also have 3x Soul-Scar Mage, but I can't run that at the same time as Soulfire Grand Master. I don't own Soulfire Grand Master, either.

forneyt on

2 years ago

Okay, thanks for the clarification haha. I think in the case of a more casual environment, Izzet Charm is great because it provides you different options, so it is rarely a dead card. Keep in mind that Izzet Charm only counters noncreature spells, whereas Mana Leak counters any spell, which is why having a couple of each is good. Mutiny looks like a fun, on-theme card, but it is very conditional, so I would suggest only doing 1 mainboard and maybe 1 sideboard. My issue with Illusory Wrappings is that if you enchant the creature and then bolt it, that is a 2-1 exchange in your opponent's favor (your enchantment [1] + your removal [1] for their creature [1]). A good replacement could be Polymorphist's Jest, which is an instant so you could swing in with your creatures then use it as a combat trick to take out more of your opponent's creatures with 1 spell. That is intensive and conditional, so that should probably be a 1-of in mainboard or max 2 in sideboard.

A couple Shocks should be plenty because it's a budget build, but no more than 2 of each because they are inefficient. Although, I think Shock would be better than Opt in this deck because you want to maximize damage, so perhaps you could push those out and replace them with Shocks and Izzet Charms. Once you have the budget for Skullcrack, the Shocks should be the first to go. I also believe that Guttersnipe, while it is undoubtedly a good card, should be replaced with Soulfire Grand Master because 3 mana is a lot when you have so many creatures in the deck. The Electrostatic Fields are cheaper, and they can be good blockers (on theme) and are resistant to opponents' Lightning Bolts, unlike Guttersnipe.

Classic Counterspell could also be good in this deck once your mana base is secure. Negate is also an amazing counterspell in the right meta, and it's cheap! One in the mainboard and/or a couple in the sideboard could prove valuable. Counterspells are important, but they are only helpful if they are applicable and castable. Make sure you have some variety and not too many with severe restrictions. So 4x Counterspell is good, but 1x Counterspell, 1x Mana Leak, 1x Negate, and 1x Izzet Charm is better. The 1x Mana Leak takes away the restriction without taking away the variety, the 1x Negate allows the mana flexibility of Mana Leak without the mana restriction at the expense of restrictive targets, and 1x Izzet Charm allows for greater variety in plays, but it's hard to beat the power of Counterspell so it deserves its spot.

That brings me to your mana base. My biggest suggestion is to avoid lands that don't tap for because almost all of your spells use in some way, and you can get mana screwed really easily if you don't have access to it. The pain lands would be perfect for your deck: Shivan Reef and Battlefield Forge. They provide you with your colors and come into play untapped, which is huge. In my opinion, Nephalia Academy is not helpful and you might as well have a Wastes instead because at least that can be tutored if a creature gets Path to Exiled. But I have some other utility lands to suggest for you.

If you find yourself building up a good board presence, Castle Embereth would be very helpful. If you find that your opponents are going wider, Surtland Frostpyre could be a good boardwipe. Geier Reach Sanitarium would be good to cycle dead draws, but it doesn't tap for a helpful color. Needle Spires and Wandering Fumarole are great manlands in your colors, and although Celestial Colonnade doesn't tap for , it can be the difference between staying behind and pulling ahead in longer matchups and is worth an include. Temple of Epiphany and Temple of Triumph are decent Turn 1 plays, as they can let you plan your next turn and counterstrike. Also, the longer I look at Soulfire Grand Master, the more I think it's perfect for the deck. If you take advantage of the lifelink it gives, the pain lands will be absolutely no trouble. It also allows you to recast your spells as you go into the late game in longer matchups, which is amazing. Keep in mind that for Mutiny, the opponent's creature is doing the damage, so you won't gain life.

Anyway, a solid manabase would be 4x Shivan Reef, 4x Battlefield Forge, 2x Raugrin Triome, 1x Needle Spires, 1x Wandering Fumarole, 2x Temple of Triumph, 1x Temple of Epiphany, 1x Celestial Colonnade, 3x Mountain, 1x Plains, 1x Island. About a third of these land come into play tapped instead of half as your deck currently stands, they all tap for relevant colors, and several give you some utility if your spells fall short. Some of the numbers will need to be tweaked depending on what your spells are, but this should be a great improvement! And all of these lands are around a dollar, many are less than a dollar (except for Celestial Colonnade, which is only a couple dollars, but it's really that good). Depending on the requirements, you may need to switch a Mountain for an Island, but your dual lands should cover it well.

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