Wheel of Fortune
Each player discards his or her hand and draws seven cards.
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Wheel of Fortune Discussion
3 weeks ago
I like your idea of Hellkite Tyrant so I've made a swap for him, getting rid of Vandalblast while simultaniously moving Ingot Chewer out for Shenanigans . I'll have an opportunity soon enough to test those things out, so I may as well make the change for now. Thanks for that suggestion! :)
I personally am not a fan of the forced discard of your entire hand that Ox of Agonas has. At least, not for just three cards. Wheel of Misfortune is a good enough Wheel of Fortune impersonation that I would still prioritize it over the 'discard hand draw 3 creatures'. Draw 7 is so much more powerful for a deck reliant on burst damage such as this one. And in a roundabout sense, self-milling using Dredge cards is much the same result, so perhaps one of the options between Ox, Ravager, or Reveler is a good subtitiute to replace Stinkweed Imp if you like those effects more.
And as for nuPurphoros, I am not a fan of him here. In a mono-Red deck sure, but there's just too many Black creatures here for him to be consistent with his effect, which is the major thing differentiating him over other Haste enablers. He's very borderline worth the 5 mana as a Haste-granter, and certainly not worth it as an 8 mana Sneak Attack that only works with half your creatures. If you're having trouble with keeping Chainer on board as your primary Haste effect, always keep in mind that you don't have to send him to the Command Zone everytime he's done in. Conserve some of your redundant recursion ( Reanimate , Dread Return ) for him. Or just jam Lightning Greaves and/or Ogre Battledriver somewhere in the deck!
4 weeks ago
Hah! You a Souls boy too? It's the best! Yeah cEDH is fun I'm sure, but I def do not have OG dual lands, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale , Gilded Drake , or Wheel of Fortune type of money LOL. But yes, big dumb beaters with protection is ridiculously fun. Oh my Slurrk etb'd with +92/+92 counters on it? Sorry...
1 month ago
At the outset of this article I wasn’t overly fond of pure red as a concept. In my eyes it’s been too aggressive and too narrow in scope to form a deck that would keep me, specifically me, happy. I say this with a double helping of skepticism, because Omnath, Locus of Rage , Okaun, Eye of Chaos , and Rakdos, Lord of Riots all keep me very happy. Today, we’re talking Burn, Chaos, and Sneak Attack as key concepts in mono-red. As always, please bear in mind that our focus here is not necessarily competitive but rather thematic, archetypical commanders.
Red patented fast damage output, but the standard RDW strategy has limited viability in EDH. Lightning Bolt and the like often don’t cut it in a format where everyone starts with 40 life. Dig for recurring damage like Irencrag Pyromancer or BIG stuff such as Molten Disaster , though, and you can reach frightening levels of well done and extra crispy.
I am a huge fan, and not just because of the card. Gloriously savage as this card might be, it still pales in comparison to the character in the books. Anyone who single-handedly roflstomps the blue representation on an entire plane and then EATS HIS OWN DEITY should inspire terror even when rendered on cardstock. Make sure that only you have an odd life total, play any Furnace of Rath effect, turn right, leave only blood and ashes in your wake. Seriously. He might pop off the card and eat you if you don’t.
I knew a guy who played Ashling and 99 mountains. I’m fairly sure he never won with it, but nobody laughed either. Hard to laugh at someone whose general is a water balloon slowly filling with napalm.
I don’t like Purphoros. I freely admit to sulking like a teenager with a bad haircut whenever I see him in a game, let alone in the command zone. Indestructible on generals, I can take and even enjoy. Massive damage output tied to creating horde of tokens, I can appreciate (see my favorite in mono-black, hehe). Both of them together, though, is too much for me to take with grace. But who needs to care about grace when you have so. Much. POWA.
Some folks aren't looking for anything logical, like winning. Some folks just want to watch the world burn. Such folks come to Red, the color of all true agents of chaos, where they can ensure no plan, no board state, no hand is safe. Planar Chaos , Possibility Storm , and the iconic Wheel of Fortune are all examples of this wild approach to magic. Go nuts, and drive everyone else crazy in the process. Maybe you'll win, maybe you won't, but you'll certainly make a difference and have fun!
Does anything really need to be said, other than a profound sense of pity for opponents who are praying to top deck? Play things like Seize the Day and seize all their goodstuffs as well.
Come the time to discuss Izzet we’ll talk a coin deck, but I don’t honestly think ol’ double-or-nothing here is just for flipping coins all game. No, you come to this guy to truly take your chances. Who should his partner be? Don’t have one. That, and the prospect of a twincast Warp World will drive opponents bonkers. However, point of order (bleh): Krark is also an unholy terror if you want to break storm spells. Just be sure to bring his thumb.
I'd never heard of Diochan before writing this, and... wow. Just wow. Assuming you aren't stocking a suite of boots or maybe Darksteel Plate , how delightfully risky. How marvelously political. Bring Thornbite Staff for EXTRA wow... Wow!
This is an odd, but potent one. Next to the whole glorious theme of chaos, Red's most irritating archetype may well be creating/playing/stealing creatures for a turn, examples being Tilonalli's Summoner , Insurrection , or even the ludicrously rare keyword Dash. There isn’t a relevant mono-red general that temporarily steals creatures as yet, but there are still some real doozies in the neighborhood. Just ask Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and his blue ETB untap friends (disqualified for extra-chromatic fraternization, but still).
Red has the least graveyard-related cards of any color and arguably the least thematic business to be fiddling about in there, phoenixes notwithstanding, so Feldon’s a bit unusual. Consider the weight of discard/draw in Red’s wheelhouse (see what I did there?). Consider what can be in your graveyard. Consider that it will cost three mana to wink it out. No more, no less. Solemn Simulacrum . Cavalier of Flame . Bearer of the Heavens . Have yourself a time.
We’ve talked graveyard and copies, but red also makes with the actual Sneak Attack . I suppose Lord Okkoto makes for a world class distraction. A favorite red archetype of mine is the extra combat phase, and the high mighty porkiness is a marvelous opportunity to fetch opponents an epically Savage Beating by dropping all sorts of heinous nastiness without actually paying for it.
And, for my personal favorite...
Rakdos, Lord of Riots and Omnath, Locus of Mana are two of my oldest commanders. Evidently those genes shouldn’t be mixed, because that’s how I surmise we got here. What an absolute beast. I started this article down on red, and ended it with a passionate need to build this monstrosity. As you may have guessed and will confirm in the next article, I am a green player at heart. Neheb sings the song of my people. Loudly. Boisterously. Encouraging atypical silliness like Soulfire Eruption and Apex of Power .
That's it for this round. Thoughts and questions are welcome. I hope you enjoyed it, and will come back next week for Green!
1 month ago
IMMG54; That's a lot to answer for, haha. I'll try to address all of your concerns.
I actually have a lot of success with this deck, although 1v1 my other land destruction deck is better (Klothys Hates Your Lands, if you'd like to check that one out). However, I don't play it often, because my meta is a small group of friends (roughly a baker's dozen of us, and only 8-10 who gatherer consistently). and they're tired of seeing it. They tried just ganging up on me when I'd play it, but it's more difficult than you'd expect. This deck is very good at keeping opponents from doing anything at all. Only reeeeeeeeally fast go-wide decks and insane ramp decks can get rolling at all against it, even in 6-8 player games. Of course, like any Stax deck, it requires a lot of strategy as to who gets targeted by which spells, but I've been playing land destruction since the mid 90's, so I know what I'm doing.
Speaking of which, that's why I have all the true duals. Budget is actually a consideration for me, I've just been playing for a really long time. Started in '93. Almost all of the expensive cards I own came from packs. Some of them were purchased as singles, but, for example, in around '95ish, true duals cost around $25 each. I once bought a complete set of them (one of each) for $150. Inflation is a bitch.
I do know all about the Azusa/Strip Mine/Crucible synergy, and in fact I have a deck based around exactly that (Lost but Stripping, if you want to check that one out). The format for that one is what my meta lovingly refers to as "pre-modern," which is to say basically Legacy/Vintage, but not powerful enough to realistically compete in a tournament in either of those formats. We call it pre-modern because it's the type of decks we used to build before Modern format existed. We're all way too old.
Anyway, I found that the aforementioned synergy doesn't work as well in commander unless you build for it. What I mean is, you have to have a lot more "additional landfall" cards in the deck than just Azusa alone, as well as specific land-fetch spells such as Crop Rotation . I do have a very different deck for EDH that incorporates this synergy (that one is Yarok, Landlubber).
So my usage of this deck is limited to times when I haven't won in a while and need a slump-breaker, the odd instance when I play with a different group and want to show off (or just annoy everyone), and every now and then when someone in my group has a new deck and wants to see how it holds up against Stax. I've been spending tokens on it here on this site because I recently made a few changes, and also because I don't know if there's anything from Kaldheim or later that might help it. I've been away from the game since mid February.
You do bring up a very valid point about draw power. This deck really doesn't have any. So there are many turns I go through which go "untap, upkeep, draw, attack with Akiri, pass turn." Which isn't a problem if I have sufficiently stifled the other players (in fact, that's how it wins; slowly and painfully). However, it certainly would be nice if I could replenish my hand regularly. I like the suggestion of Tectonic Reformation a lot! And I've also thought about adding Wheel of Fortune and/or Reforge the Soul many times, but just never have gotten around to it. Maybe now's the time. For that matter, I've also thought about adding Return of the Wildspeaker because Akiri's power can get pretty damn big over time.
Speaking of which, the myr dorks are artifacts and thus raise Akiri's power. Birds of Paradise et al do not. Even Gilded Goose produces artifact tokens. Their presence is intentional, I assure you.
Thanks for the input! Maybe give me a +1? Cheers either way!
1 month ago
If you are doing land destruction, which is a pretty big affront to a lot of EDH groups, you'll get maybe one play out of this and everyone knows your schtick. I had that with my vial smasher and thrasios turns. If you want more than one good play out of this deck, you're gonna want to speed up the clock. You've got dual lands in there, so I would assume that budget isn't a giant issue here. At the very least, cutting all your myr dorks for more efficient dorks like birds of paradise or elvish mystic. As many one-drops as you can get in there for mana. You've got almost no draw, which I get it, you're committing to a theme, but at the very least a wheel might be good. I like Wheel of Fortune , but there's plenty of awesome red spells. If not just for disrupting opponents hands. A lot of your land destruction is through instant and sorceries, and in red green you have access to permanent-based land destruction locks through cards like Azusa, Lost but Seeking combined with Crucible of Worlds effects and Strip Mine . If you decided to go more heavily on the land lock theme, that would give you access to some card draw engines with things like Tectonic Reformation , a favorite in my Windgrace deck. And this is mass land destruction, people are going to want to stop you in your tracks. I don't know what your meta looks like, but you definitely would want some interaction. Heroic intervention is great, if you have access to Teferi's Protection that can win you games right there. I might also suggest changing the green commander to the partner Kodama. I am quite curious to see what your success with this deck is. You've got tons of potential with this list, I am curious to see where you go with it.
1 month ago
I am such a fan of this partner matchup, I'm interested to see other takes on it.
What role are the wheels playing in the deck Magus of the Wheel Wheel of Fortune ? I see Alesha but no real recursion engines that might want a full graveyard. If you're keeping the wheels, it might make sense to add some tribal reanimation like Haunting Voyage or Patriarch's Bidding ...
For Silvar to come in for big bops, add Vorrac Battlehorns which make him unblockable for a small mana investment...
Might make sense to add some additional mana rocks, you might stall out with just two signets and a Sol ring, but might be more valuable to add even more draw since you've got a low CMC.
1 month ago
Fun idea! Not sure how married you are to Torbrand as your commander, but Magda, Brazen Outlaw follows with the artifact matters themes, or Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded could be useful to cheat out powerful artifact silver bullets!
If you do stick with the Torbrand train, Pyrohemia can be fits to deal with, lightning bolting every creature and player at instant speed becomes a nightmare!
Trash for Treasure is a fun one as well. Since you have so much artifact recursion, Mindslaver can be a "win con" that can stall your opponents out as you mill them. Memory Jar works in a similar way, able to "mill" 7 cards while setting up your graveyard.
Could also be worth considering some wheel effects. Things like Wheel of Fortune Wheel of Misfortune Wheel of Fate Reforge the Soul Magus of the Wheel and Molten Psyche could be viewed as "mill 7" cards that also set up your own graveyard for recursion. Along that same line of thinking Howling Mine Temple Bell and Font of Mythos can be seen as additional mill effects.
Otherworld Atlas also seems like it could be really fun in your deck! Also, in any deck running the untap keys, I'd recommend giving Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus a try, as it can make your mana production explode!
Some food for thought! Really like the idea and direction of your deck!
2 months ago
If you are going the combo route there are a bunch of potential combos that would work really well in this deck. Any of the Worldgorger Dragon combos are good in any BR deck. Ad Nauseam is also an instant game-winner in most black decks. cards like Jeska's Will , and Gamble would also fit in well. Wheel effects could also be really good, with cards like Wheel of Fortune , and Wheel of Misfortune . Because we have access to white mana cards like Smothering Tithe , Ranger-Captain of Eos , Grand Abolisher , Enlightened Tutor , and Drannith Magistrate could all fit in really well. Some Staxyness wouldn't hurt overall so that you can hit your opponents easier with the blood avatar.