Wheel of Fortune

Sorcery

Each player discards his or her hand and draws seven cards.

Discussion (48)

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on YEET! [[Primer]]

2 weeks ago

Fair enough on those points. Keeping the tapped land count low is always a good idea, but I am more lenient when the land also doubles as a impactful spell when I need it. Essentially I view MDFC's as a flexible spell in the land slot. As far as for the individual cards, Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip is just another form of Fling so it's more for redundancy in your deck, but as for Ondu Inversion  ^Flip and Valakut Awakening  ^Flip (forgot to mention this one earlier), I have nothing but high praise for both those cards. Both have over-performed for me.

While the casting cost of Inversion is high, I would disagree that it has zero upside. Most board wipes aren't necessary until later in the game where high cmc is less of a problem, but Inversion has the added bonus of never getting stuck in your hand since you can always play it as a land. That being said, Ondu Inversion  ^Flip is best suited in green decks since it hits non-land permanents. Boros can struggle to rebuild after a board wipe like that.

Valakut Awakening  ^Flip is just straight gas. Great card draw in red at instant speed that is essentially your own personal Wheel of Fortune. This card has gone into every red deck I own.

Deathstroke2791 on YEET! [[Primer]]

2 weeks ago

You have a point about Taurean Mauler. I haven't ever drawn it late, so I never thought about it. I either draw it early or never, but that doesn't mean you're wrong.

I used to think the same thing about Thud and Fling, but you'd be surprised how effective and needed they actually are.

Wheel of Fortune and Wheel of Misfortune aids opponents sure, but Boros doesn't have much other way to get several cards in hand at once. Until they print better draw in these colors, it's what I'm going with.

Reconstruct History hasn't been in here long, so I don't have the largest sample size. But what I have seen, it's almost NEVER been a dud. Still in testing phase though, so it could turn out you're right.

Yeah. I'm wanting to play this deck more midrangey, not glass-cannon. I think that's just a difference of deck styles like you said. I hate not being able to interact with opponents. I'm a big advocate for having what removal I do. I wish I could fit more, but I just have to accept Boros isn't the MOST interactive color combo.

lemerac on None

1 month ago

If there is a Psychic Possession on the battlefield, and one player casts Wheel of Fortune, how many cards does the owner of Psychic Possession draw? Will the owner of Psychic Possession put 7 triggers on the stack, netting the owner of Psychic Possession 14 cards if all of the triggers + the wheel resolves ?

jaymc1130 on After 500 games of testing …

1 month ago

So at this point I've managed to get in 500 games of Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent play in various decks and that's a large enough sample size to be pretty confident in the results of the data.

Hullbreacher already got banned but I'll start with some statistics for it. 503 game played with Hullbreacher included in at least one of the lists. 318 wins for Hullbreacher decks in that span, and with everything accounted for the card wound up with an expected win share percentage of + 6.6%. In other words, just adding that card alone to a deck would bump it's win share % up from 25% in a vacuum to over 31% in that same vacuum. Our database has some 5,000 total cEDH games tracked and logged at this point, and 10s of thousands of individual cards performance's tracked as well. This probably won't come as a shock, but Hullbreacher, of every single individual card we've ever tracked and tested posted the highest single card expected win share increase of any card in MTG's history. By a lot. More than double the increase in win share percentage from the next closest card with a minimum 500 game sample size. In our data set it's confirmed at this point to be the most dominant performing card in cEDH history. Not to surprising it wound up banned.

Astonishingly (or perhaps not) the number 2 card on the list in terms of expected win share contribution in a minimum sample size of 500 games in the entire 5000+ game data set we've collected is Opposition Agent. 500 games on the nose, 206 wins, and a final expected win share contribution of +3.1%. Until these 2 cards were printed we'd never had a single card post even a +3.0% expected win share contribution and we'd seen some dominant numbers from cards like Extract, Timetwister, Wheel of Fortune, Force of Will, Ashiok, Dream Render, Paradox Engine, Carpet of Flowers, Thassa's Oracle and Deathrite Shaman over +2.5%.

According to the data I've collected so far, Oppo Agent and Hullbreacher are the two most dominant cards ever printed for cEDH and by very significant margins. It wasn't even a contest, these two just performed heads and shoulders above every other card in the format.

Almost certainly this data set is not perfect or ideal, it's a mere 500ish game sample size compared to data we might have for a card in Legacy or Vintage that might have 10,000 or even 100,000 games of tracked data over several decades that can be easily found on the internet, so take these findings with a grain of salt would be my recommendation. I know since I've started posting more and more statistics based approaches to evaluating cards and decks in cEDH that more folks have been doing the same (hard to argue with the benefit of the results and those sweet extra wins here and there based off an analytics approach) and I'd be curious to see what kind of data others have collected about these 2 cards since their release. I think it's pretty unlikely our group wound up with an aberrant data set, but it's the kind of result that is so over the top and even a bit unexpected (seriously? THESE are the two best all time performing cards for cEDH?) that even I'm a bit skeptical looking at the results of the data collection.

We've had a fair amount of time to experiment with these 2 bad boys by now, so I'm curious about the results of any one else who tracks data like this and what their data set might say about the performance of these 2 cards in cEDH. If you've got some interesting results to share let us know how they've been performing in your games.

StopShot on Proxies, yay or nay?

2 months ago

I've spent thousands into my EDH deck. My deck runs OG dual lands, 9 fetchlands, Lion's Eye Diamond, Wheel of Fortune, and I even own masterpiece cards in my deck as well. My opinion, if you can make your deck better with proxies then I encourage you 100% to use proxies. I love my fancy and rare cards, but they mean nothing if I can't enjoy them in a game of inequality. Maybe I like showing off these cards, but that only comes second to playing the game win or lose and to me the game is boring if winning is too easy for me. I want to build my deck to be stronger, not to win games and the difference between that is I can not build a stronger deck if everyone else is using a sub $100 deck. Seriously, I want you to proxy that disgusting infinite combo deck or that solitaire prison-control lockdown deck. Please do so, I won't even complain if you beat me with it. When I'm playing against decks at their best I can make my deck better and that's the real thrill of the game. Please proxy disgusting power decks. Heck I don't even care if you have the money to buy the deck, but you'd rather proxy it instead. I want to fight power no matter what form it comes in. Personally, I hate it when people bemoan things like, "it sure must be nice having a lot of money lying around to buy those cards." If that's how you feel please use proxies. I want to beat you with skill, not money damnit. (Also I want to state I got most of my cards when they were much cheaper and I totally agree newer players lack these opportunities.)

As for myself I do use proxies, but only when the card has yet to come in the mail or the card has been spoiled in an unreleased set and I want to gauge its use, because I'm too impatient to wait. There are only two cards I can't afford that I'd want to put in my deck and I own their convincing Chinese knock-off proxies, but I've never fit them in my deck due to the current negative views towards proxies; those cards being Candelabra of Tawnos and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale. I'd only want to run the Candelabra of Tawnos, because it makes a recurable Night's Whisper with Underworld Connections and its not like I would use it for any other busted means. The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale because its just such a good hoser on go-wide decks. I run a healthy amount of boardwipes anyway, but this cards would provide excellent insurance. My deck's power level is already incredibly high though, so allowing proxies would still benefit my opponents more than myself and I really wish that's the way it could be. I hate limiting myself and I don't want others to limit themselves either. My views on that won't change even if I do end up acquiring both the Candelabra of Tawnos and the The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale. I just want to play games at my power level.

Nick_V on Breaking the Stack (Advice?)

2 months ago

I have done a ton of adjustments and I think Im coming close to the final product. I would like better counters and a Wheel of Fortune but to expensive. Any help refining would be awesome. Thanks for taking a look.

Gidgetimer on When do replacment effects occur?

2 months ago

The graveyard effect of the Eldrazi Titans is not a replacement effect. It is a triggered ability. It goes on the stack and can be responded to. It will go on the stack above Thrill of Possibility and will resolve before it since it is an additional cost. If you instead cast something that discards and draws as a single effect (Wheel of Fortune, Windfall, et. al.) then your graveyard will not be shuffled in until after the draw.

If you instead were discarding Blightsteel Colossus, then it will be shuffled into the library before the draw in all cases.

CosmosHeretic on Narset + Windfall Question

2 months ago

That's exactly how that works. If Narset, Parter of Veils is on the battlefield when you resolve Windfall, unless the greatest number of cards discarded is 0 or 1, Narset's passive effect will prevent them from drawing more than a single card off of Windfall, assuming they've yet to draw a card that turn. The same would be true if you replaced Windfall with any other wheel effect, IE Wheel of Fate, Wheel of Fortune, Magus of the Wheel, etc.