Echo of Eons
Each player shuffles their hand and graveyard into their library, then draws seven cards.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then Exile it.)
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|Modern Horizons (MH1)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Echo of Eons Discussion
1 month ago
Thanks so much. I've put this bad boy together (outside of Timetwister and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale) after months of collecting the cards and I can't wait to start playing it. Two and four are ones I hadn't even thought about. Great interaction there!
One last question, is there a better replacement card you might recommend for Timetwister other than Echo of Eons? It's obviously a bit slower, but I just can't see myself splurging on the two most expensive cards in the deck.
1 month ago
@Annexus: Yes I totally agree with your thoughts about Timetwister but not with those to Wheel of Fortune. Budget options for those 2 cards are for sure / Time Spiral and Echo of Eons but you definitely need some wheels in your deck and Wheel of Fortune is the really strong, but the deck wouldn't lose much strength if you play Windfall and Echo of Eons/Time Spiral instead of Timetwister/Wheel of Fortune.
The two other Narset are cool flavourwhise but I personally thought that there were simply better alternatives:
I think the deck has only like two slots at maximum for "win more" cards.
At the moment I play Thousand-Year Storm and Aggravated Assault. TStorm cannot be cut because I won almost every game with him as soon as he touched the field. But maybe Narset Transcendent could be a replacement for Aggravated Assault. Narset is a bit more versatile but sometimes you don't hit any extraturn/combat and then narset is a lil bit worse than the Assault, because with the assault you gain another try with Narset, Enlightened Master and if you hit Time Spiral you get ANOTHER attack and with the assault you always have atleast 2 attempts per turn to hit a another turn/combat spell.
Narset, Parter of Veils is a good card but for me atleast I found a lot cards I liked more but can be a budget option JTMS. If you pla atleast 3+ wheel cards in this deck, she could be worth, but with only 2 wheels, there's lacking synergy.
JTMS is just insane and has fallen out of favor or forgiveness just like Narset, Enlightened Master, JTMS is a walkin Brainstorm and toolbox. It's a great feeling when Time Stretch is stuck in your hand and you can put it back on your deck.
Dack Fayden is also pretty good to steal your opponent's ramp pieces but I think he's the one who could maybe replaced by Winter Orb or like you mentioned Teferi, Time Raveler. I loved Teferi, but some dudes from the Narset Discord have somehow talked me out of Teferi...
Man I would really enjoy to play some 1vs1 games of different lists/cuts, to scientifically prove which list is the fastest and after that to test it in a real environment against legit decks to check which card/list is good in the current meta. (Do you have Xmage?)
I see your point on Gamble, sure this card has the opportunity to fail, but narset is just a "if you have luck you win deck" and with this cards I'm also gambling high, but yeah cards to replace gamble are: Idyllic Tutor/Merchant Scroll or like you mentioned Ponder/Preordain.
I tested Jace, Wielder of Mysteries a lot and in 99% of the time he was a dead card or not needed... when you draw your entire library you just win with Nexus of Fate/Beacon of Tomorrows but most of the time you opponents surrender before that ever happens after like your 5 extra turn... And if you really want another wincon then I would always prefer Bribery because this card is savage and in almost every cedh match somebody is playing Thassa's Oracle or another winon which you could possibly steal. Or just play the good old Approach of the Second Sun.
1 month ago
@smilodex It's a downright shame the Mythos is Mardu, I was very much excited for it as well. Sadly, the little B pip in there makes it impossible :( Oh well...
Anyways: I think Timetwister is very optimal, but I lack the card too, so that makes it a bit awkward to test it out, especially since it's really expensive and I refuse to pay that much money for a piece of cardboard. Therefore, I'd like to put it there as the best in slot, but not really the most legit in slot. It might be worth it to play both Time Spiral and Echo of Eons alongside eachother to counteract the lack of twister.
I don't know if I like Wheel of Fortune too much, since we're trying to abuse our library with the Narset trigger. A Wheel effect could be good, but I think this would only work if we create an asymmetrical situation with something like Narset, Parter of Veils (on my list of cards to test). I do believe that these kinds of effects are very strong in our pile, since we get to cheat stuff out. Maybe a Windfall as budget option?
I do like the inclusion of a little staxy pieces. I myself am also testing out Teferi, Time Raveler in the list, as it provides a good way to cancel out interaction on our turns. Also trying out Narset Transcendent in order to max out tutor value and card selection when needed, coupled with removal.
As for Ponder and Preordain, that's a tough call really. I personally don't like Gamble a whole lot, since it very often reads "discard tutored card". Something like a Trinisphere maybe, but I can very much see the merits behind that card. It's pretty hard to choose and also very dependent on the pilot of the deck, I guess :)
I also see Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and I'm currently thinking that the card might be an excellent wincon. Especially with ETI and Omni. How's Aggravated Assault been in your list? What about JTMS and Dack? Really feeling this discussion!!
1 month ago
Definitely think about Dream Halls, Hive Mind, Consecrated Sphinx. These cards bring chaos and fun to the table, but also have really powerful effects. Wound Reflection also has flavor in a lot of Nekusar decks, along with Pain Magnification, Painful Quandary, Fate Unraveler. If you're looking for more wheel effects, then Magus of the Wheel, Echo of Eons, and Winds of Change could help. Not sure of your budget here, but Wheel of Fortune is very powerful and useful. If your mana is feeling a bit off, you could try Chromatic Lantern to help get the colors you need. Hope this helps!
1 month ago
Decks idea is to deal damage with discarding and if i take out 3 Cathartic Reunion and one Izzet Charm i don't really have anything how i could discard. I will never hard cast Echo of Eons so i need something to discard it first. I would love to play Serum Visions and Sleight of Hand, but at the moment there is no available slots for them. I might cut out Narset, Parter of Veils and Echo of Eons and replace them with more cantrips.
1 month ago
The idea is to tutor for dryad arbor, not oracle. You want oracle to be in the deck to trigger off of mutate isnt it?
2 months ago
Here's some stuff that caught my attention over the past few sets. Dreadhorde Arcanist, Wishclaw Talisman (looks like you can activate, hold priority, and sac it. May be something for a new eggs combo deck idk) , Charming Prince (saw brief play, but Im thinking maybe use it in a taxes shell to get an Akroma, Angel of Fury out on turn 3 using vial), theres a cycle of cards like The Cauldron of Eternity (of which this one seems like a great card to get a Metalwork Colossus out with), Fae of Wishes (which saw brief play in places but may be cool in a control shell), theres Elvish Reclaimer (which could go in a variety of shells, especially a Spreading Algae deck that I really want to see made).
I would also suggest trying to take a look at the changes that have been seen by modern such as the mox ban. Maybe something you could look at is making an affinity deck with Arcbound Ravager among other classic cards that no longer have a home.
Some decks that Im working on right now that you may also like to work on are BG Undying (which has been a lot of fun and felt very good), and Stompy (which is not the most compelling, but is very underrated, and got some new toys.)
Hope some of this is of interest for you.