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Leonin Arbiter Discussion
1 day ago
lagotripha, dsagent, pillarofcats: For people who want to buy this deck, I was thinking that Thalia may be too expensive for what it contributes. What other more budget hatebears do you think would work well? Leonin Arbiter?
1 day ago
Rusty_Shackleford, I've been weighing the benefits of fetches versus the drawback of mixing fetches and Leonin Arbiter. Need to run some hypergeometric calculator equations to weigh them properly. This deck wants access to 2 colors ASAP, but also only needs 1 dual to operate. Tap lands after land 3 are fine. I'll do some math and report back. I bet you are correct. Cheers
4 days ago
I like the attempt. While I think a mardu combination is possible and when the right list is found, extremely powerful, I don't think your there yet. If you are playing this list I would be very curious to learn what results it has been achieving. W/r Hatebears is a known quantity, and W/b Hatebears (or Eldrazi Taxes as it is more commonly known) is a well established deck. I have played both decks and while I like W/b better I have always wished I could splash red into it for a few of the things W/r has that W/b doesn't. I have tinkered a bit but never developed anything I thought was going work well. As for suggestions, I would make yourself very familiar to both of the lists I mentioned if your not already. They are good starting points to draw from. Also, Hatebears decks shouldn't run fetches. Leonin Arbiter is a symmetrical effect and you don't want to pin yourself under it. Also these style of decks tend to play much less non-creature spells due to Thalia, Guardian of Thraben being symmetrical as well. Look for creatures with "enter the battlefield" effects that do the same or similar things. One choice to consider would be Tidehollow Sculler over Thoughtseize. Paired with cards like Wasteland Strangler it is very powerful cuz you get the same effect as thoughtseize without the life loss and a body to go with it. The strangler throws the taken card in their graveyard so they can't get it back if sculler dies and kills a creature for doing it. It's awesome!
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5 days ago
@mattman856: Don't forget Battlefield Forge also produces ! The deck's gameplan really is just trying to get either Chalice of the Void, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben or Leonin Arbiter out on T1 (choice depending on opposing deck).
@dotytron: Thanks for your input! I'm always looking to go heavier on red but couldn't make out the right stuff so far. Harsh Mentor looks really interesting and I'll see to it that I can do some testing.
1 week ago
If you want to slow down opponents, Leonin Arbiter, Ethersworn Canonist, Eidolon of Rhetoric, and Spirit of the Labyrinth are all excellent options. As for combos, Kiki-Jiki also works with Village Bell-Ringer and Felidar Guardian, both of which can be reanimated with Alesha - plus, Felidar also combos with either Karmic Guide or Reveillark and a sac outlet. For reanimation, I personally enjoy using Sire Of Insanity to make everyone hellbent, which Alesha can handle better than most. Oh, and Recruiter of the Guard is great for finding the exact hatebear/combo piece you need.
These are just a few options I'm familiar with, since I've been working with Alesha for a while now.
1 week ago
It's definitely a very good start. Cards to keep an eye out for:
Spirit of the Labyrinth. This is a must-have for hatebears decks. Halting your opponents from card advantaging you out is insane.
Aura of Silence: Again, tax your opponents. Also has an incredible rider on it.
Lodestone Golem: Big beater? Check. Taxes your opponent? Check.
Leonin Arbiter: Tax your opponents, yet again.
Ethersworn Canonist: Like above, except also beats for 2. A great inclusion.
Samurai of the Pale Curtain: While not as amazing as he used to be, still a beater that hurts graveyard based decks.
Nezumi Graverobber: Okay, stealing creatures from yards, stripping them bare AND beating down? This guy just isn't fair. Also, Faerie Macabre does well, especially if you have to get something out of a yard.
Voidstone Gargoyle: At 5 mana, less important, but he can lock your opponents out of their commander. Or a board wipe. Or really anything.
Acidic Slime: Cheap, good, repeatable, also just generally good. Did I mention that he was good?
Eternal Witness: Semi-expensive rn, but if you have to get something back, accept NO substitutes.
Qasali Pridemage: Me-ow.
Phyrexian Revoker: Legacy staple, also beats for 2.
Dust Elemental: Save 3 dudes, get a beater. All-in-all, a win-win.
Hushwing Gryff: While it does turn off many cards, it also turns off your opponents. Use at your own risk.
Stonecloaker: Just do it.
Oblation: Just do it.
Soul Sculptor: 'Tis but a silly card, and one that really hurts some decks. Very, very badly.
Arena of the Ancients: Opponents relying on legendary creatures? Well fear not, because this turns them all off!
Most of these cards are sub-$2, but they may be somewhat hard to find. Keep an eye out, and your deck will quickly become terrifying.
Also, maybe 5-6 more lands?