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Lion's Eye Diamond
Sacrifice Lion's Eye Diamond, Discard your hand: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool. Play this ability only any time you could play an instant.
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Lion's Eye Diamond Discussion
1 day ago
Here are my questions concerning some card choices I would like to understand if I want to pick this deck up. I'm looking to really shape this list towards my meta and some cuts are gonna be inevitable, just want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Lion's Eye Diamond-- It seems to me like it's not pulling the weight such an overpowered card should be. Aside from being a great enabler when comboed with Yawgmoth's Will, the only realistic way to use Lion's Eye Diamond is towards Grenzo, Dungeon Warden, a purpose that leaves you defenseless to interaction, with no cards in hand to fuel back up. Necropotence is always required to go with Lion's Eye Diamond to gain substantial advantage from the card and even then, I feel like it keeps going back to Yawgmoth's Will here. Am I crazy to disregard such a powerful card for more well-rounded options? Let me know your thoughts.
Victimize-- A tricky card to use. If we have an expendable creature, which we have few of, it provides value IF we also have two good creatures in the bin. Seems to me like Reanimate would cover more ground? Am I crazy or is the possibility of having 2 combo creatures in the yard plus a fodder on the field very slim, even after Doomsday (Since both the Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker combo and the Metallic Mimic combo are stopped by one removal spell, you would get stuck being 1 creature short most of the time)?
That's basically what I was wondering , I'll be testing some weird cards in this shell and report back what I see based on my meta (which can be quite varied). I really like this deck salute everyone who worked on it!
2 days ago
Kai-Erik, in your current decklist the Bomberman combo or Gemstone Array would solely exist just for the infinite mana possibilities (I guess the array could save you some mana to overlap to another turn), but I don't see how your deck can utilize infinite colourless mana other than infinite thopters from Thopter Foundry, then translating to infinite damage using Breya. If you used Blue Sun's Zenith instead of Sphinx's Revelation, you could use the infinite colourless to mill another player out.
If you want to justify the Bomberman combo, you could always add the spellbombs which are great utility, Pithing Needle, and all of them would be tutored with Trinket Mage, and Auriok Salvagers could just bring them back to hand. Lion's Eye Diamond is much more of a niche card, other than the combo, it's a 0 drop artifact to be eaten by Breya. But these cards are similar to Bitter Ordeal or Disciple of the Vault, where they do very little unless you already have the combo going.
I do think the above would be stronger than the Saheeli Rai + Felidar Guardian combo, as both of those cards alone have very low impact individually. Auriok Salvagers at least have limited tool boxing capability.
2 days ago
Kai-Erik, I suggested the Isochron Scepter combo because I saw it on another's deck list and thought it seemed fun and noticed you aren't running infinite mana combos that can produce any colour of mana, which is a win con with Breya as it lets you cast her an infinite number of times, and shoot a player for 3, leaving a thopter behind every time. Maybe add in Gemstone Array to convert colourless mana to any colour, but it's a 'bad card' by itself. If money is no concern, there is also the Bomberman combo (Lion's Eye Diamond + Auriok Salvagers). Umm, personally I'd cut the Reservoir + Sydri combo as it's a bit more fragile than the others (Sydri can't be recurred, and is kind of a dead beat by herself). Mana Echoes also seems kinda of "ehh" as it doesn't do much by itself and screams that you're going to be making a ton of mana to the rest of the table.
5 days ago
So where do rocks like Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond, and Chrome Mox fit into things? Is it just Wizard's attempt to re-balance something like a Mox Pearl or Black Lotus by providing an additional negative cost?
2 weeks ago
Just picked up a masterwork Scroll Rack, just haven't gotten the chance to put it in the deck. Agreed, this card is too good not to play, it was just hard to find one. Still need to get Grim Monolith, Lion's Eye Diamond, Metalworker, and Mana Crypt but they are all tuff to find if I don't buy online.
2 weeks ago
Thank you chaosumbreon87 for the great suggestions. I am actually considering the deck with couple cards you mentioned, since the deck is pretty close to optimized it's difficult to cut cards out. On top the list to remove are control cards like All Is Dust and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. I had Reshape before but it was not that great to use because sacrifice artifact is part of the cost oppose to Transmute Artifact at resolution, plus paying additional x something is a big problem. However, my deck has evolved that it has much more mana base and overall lower cmc artifacts I think Reshape can be a great card. Lotus Bloom is difficult to see the effect, I was actually thinking about Lion's Eye Diamond instead but I will give Lotus Bloom a try during testing since it is 1/10 of price of LED
2 weeks ago
Temple of Deceit is too slow, cut it for an Island
Geier Reach should also be an Island, you don't ever want to spend to give your opponents hand crafting
Not a huge fan of Bojuka Bog, but its ok for utility.
What I'm getting at is, the more Islands you run the more powerful High Tide becomes. Casting Time Spiral with 1 or 2 High Tides active can be game winning, it can also provide you with the gas to do less efficient Doomsday piles that run protection.
You still need to add Ponder.
In a dedicated Doomsday deck like this, you might want to use Street Wraith. Although it does hit you in the face for 5 when you Ad Nauseum into it, you cant really interact with cycling as easily as you can another draw spell. Admittedly probably not worth running in a cEDH build, I just have love for that card.
Take out Void Shatter add Arcane Denial.
Mana Crypt is too good not to run.
Jet Medallion is only letting you cast 10 or so spells for cheaper, Sapphire Medallion is slightly more justifiable, but even so, I'd ax them both.
Retract is sweet, just saying.
Consider Memory Jar, obviously this would be a Timetwister if it wasn't $900.
I'm a big proponent of "Future Top" enabled by Helm of Awakening.
Future Sight & Sensei's Divining Top
Some really cool fun things happen when you cast Doomsday with Future Sight on board. Your pile might look like:
Lion's Eye Diamond
So, if you run Future Sight, you might as well run the other 2 pieces that let you draw your deck and generate massive storm count anyhow. I LOVE "Future Top".
Cards that I think are otherwise very cut worthy:
Thing in the Ice Flip
Leyline of the Void
Wish you best of luck tweaking this deck, and hope you have fun with it most of all.
3 weeks ago
Still, a bunch of good options, including a note to myself to add Lion's Eye Diamond.