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Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Legendary Creature — Human Scout
You can't get poison counters.
Creatures you control can't have -1/-1 counters placed on them.
Creatures your opponents control lose infect.
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Melira, Sylvok Outcast Discussion
1 week ago
I have a great deck that competes with infect. It is pretty easy to run, seeing as infect doesn't have removal. Let me get it up and I will paste the decklink. My main deck is an Infect deck, so when I am bored, I usually have these two decks play each other as they are both pretty viable in modern. It uses Melira, Sylvok Outcast and Persist, so if you don't mind dropping 50-70 dollars on a fun deck than this one could be for you.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
I see Devoted Druid as a mana-dork+ meaning she’s there for ramp but also has some combo potential unlike other mana dorks. I’ve already mentioned her in the Primer as part of a path to infinite tokens with Ghave and Cathars' Crusade . Basically if we can continue putting +1/+1 counters on her to negate her -1/-1 counters, we can reach infinite mana. We might actually be able to use her with Ghave and Doubling Season for infinite mana tokens, but we also might need another piece. I’d have to sit down and work through that one, however I think we can net a +1/+1 counter on the druid indefinitely.
We should be able to get infinite mana with her and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed . If we keep tapping her, she’ll kill herself and come back with a +1/+1 counter over and over again. I should actually add that one to the list because I hadn’t considered it before.
She’s not in this deck, but you could use Melira, Sylvok Outcast who also combos with our persist creatures. The only reason I don’t include her is because I don’t think she synergizes enough with the rest of the deck to make her worth the slot. However it’s an option.
Ivy Lane Denizen can replenish our Druid, but we’d need another piece to combo with Ghave and keep a loop going.
You have to be creative here, but as long as we can find ways to put counters on the Druid, she has excellent synergy. Otherwise she’s good ramp. I like that she can play multiple roles which is why she’s on the list. Play around and see what you come up with. I’d love to add newly discovered interactions to the Primer.
1 month ago
While you can use Persist and +1/+1 counters to create an infinite combo, you will not be able to do so with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed .
To start, per Rule 121.3: If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it as a state-based action, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.
This means that if you have a creature with persist enter the battlefield and give it a +1/+1 counter, the +1/+1 counter and the -1/-1 counter from persist will cancel one another out. Since there is no longer a -1/-1 counter on it, assist will trigger the next time that creature dies.
Likewise, if you used Undying and gave a creature a -1/-1 counter to cancel out the +1/+1 counter from undying, the creature would be able to benefit from undying the next time it died.
Here's the problems with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed .
First, that it gives creatures +1/+1 is irrelevant. This is a static boost to the creature's power, not placing a +1/+1 counter on the creature. Only +1/+1 counters cancel out -1/-1 counters; static boosts do not. So, while your creature's net change is +0/+0, it still has a -1/-1 counter on it, so persist would not be implicated the next time the creature died.
The second issue is that you can't benefit from both undying and persist. Both abilities will trigger when the creature dies. You will have to order them so that one resolves first, and the other second. The first will resolve and place the creature on the battlefield. As the creature is already on the battlefield, the second will have no effect. As such, you are either getting the creature with a +1/+1 counter if undying resolved first, or with a -1/-1 counter if persist resolved first; you will not get both counters on the creature, and thus will not cancel out either counter.
If you want infinite persist to work, you need to use something like Cathars' Crusade , which will place a +1/+1 counter on the creature to cancel out t he -1/-1 counter, or something like Melira, Sylvok Outcast or Solemnity to prevent the -1/-1 counter from being put onto the creature.
2 months ago
I would watch out for things like Melira, Sylvok Outcast on other people's sideboards. You might need some creature removal for that or else your playing a 20 life game instead of a 10 poison counter one. Nullify and Spell Snare can work just fine for you.
2 months ago
Saw your rules Q&A thread regarding persist and Counters, and had a couple things to add, though, since they were not directly responsive to the question itself, I figured I would post them on your wall.
To add some more card suggestions to what Madcookie listed, Blasting Station serves as both a sacrifice outlet and an infinite win condition alongside persist. Melira, Sylvok Outcast is another method of enabling the combo by preventing the -1/-1 counters from being put onto your creatures. Kitchen Finks and Murderous Redcap are both solid persist creatures. Finks is an all-around solid card--even without a combo assembled, it is a decent blocker for two combats and nets you some life. Redcap can be used alongside any sacrifice outlet for infinite damage.
Also, though it will probably never be relevant to you, you stumbled upon my favourite quirk of Magic's rules. +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters only cancel one another out because 121.3 says they do.
No such rule exists for older cards that use different types of counter--so, if you have an Ebon Praetor with a -2/-2 counter on it, and you use Dwarven Armory to place a +2/+2 counter on the Ebon Praetor , there is no rules mechanic that would result in the two opposing counters cancelling one another out. Your Ebon Praetor would simultaneously have a +2/+2 and -2/-2 counter on it.
It's a near-useless fact, but I find it interesting so I had to share!
3 months ago
3 months ago
Melira, Sylvok Outcast occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%