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Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Legendary Creature — Human Scout
You can't get poison counters.
Creatures you control can't have -1/-1 counters placed on them.
Creatures your opponents control lose infect.
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Melira, Sylvok Outcast Discussion
4 days ago
with Melira, Sylvok Outcast you gain another infinite combo off of Murderous Redcap with your raptor. or infinite life with finks and obviously the vampire still combos in there as well. Grum seems counter intuitive to your existing combos from going off though,with the extra +1 to toughness over your domri passive. same goes for Rhythm of the wild, unless you are using haste. and no you are wrong about that card with persist. it has a -1/-1 counter and then a +1/+1 counter. it dies a second time, it still has that -1/-1 counter and with the -1/-1 counter on it, it stays dead. the two dont cancel each other out. that isnt how the mechanic works. persist is only infinite if you have a way of removing said -1/-1 counters. hence Melira as a suggestion, or the white version with Vizier of Remedies . technically your creatures with persist would have 2 different types of counters after they die the first time. one is -1/-1 the other is +1/+1, ergo the creature stays dead. the effect remains neutral, but they in fact still retain a -1/-1 counter. hope that Melira improves the function of your deck, id definitely drop Grumgully, the Generous and Rhythm of the Wild in favor of it because i think you misunderstand the technical aspect of persist, if anyone challenged you rule wise using those cards.
1 week ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help. I don't think adding Woodfall Primus and Greater Good will help to bring consistency. It's adding more CMC which is what you should cut from your deck not add.
Primus has potential as high end creature with an aristocrat theme with Blood Artist / Zulaport Cutthroat , but you're not playing that theme. Melira, Sylvok Outcast can prevent -1/-1 counter from stopping persist thus you can loop Primus with a sac outlet destroying all your opponents noncreature permanents. Adding an aristocrat to this loop makes it infinite life loss for opponents.
There's also an infinite persist combo that Protean Hulk can tutor for: Melira, Sylvok Outcast + Lesser Masticore + Disciple of the Vault + Viscera Seer . This combo is looping Masticore with Seer resulting in infinite life loss of opponents from Disciple since Masticore is an artifact.
You have part of a game winning combo that Hulk can tutor for already Mikaeus and Seer. Adding Walking Ballista who's CMC is 0 finishes the combo by doing infinite damage to your opponents with Ballista. Cards that can reanimate and sac Hulk are powerful especially at instant speed: Necromancy , Apprentice Necromancer , Wake the Dead and Footsteps of the Goryo .
2 weeks ago
- All of the above suggestions I agree with.
- I would also say that you are trying to cast big 4 mana/ 5 mana spells so youll need more ramp to do that. I have a mono green version simular to your deck. Mono Green Control!?!. I am running an extra mana dork which can really be helpful. You have a lot of double green spells.
- As for the maybe board Vivien Reid isnt gonna dig for the spells you want it finds creatures I wouldnt put it in. Nissa, Vital Force makes you commit more to green being you will have so many doubel green spells. If you are going to add a Nissa i would add Nissa, Who Shakes the World . If you are playing a lot of infect Melira, Sylvok Outcast might help you out but its a SB card at best. Spellskite is a soild SB card against burn. Plow Under is double green, but you in a way get to Time Walk . They have to redraw cards they have already played, and are cut off mana giving you ad advantage. It helps the most when you are in the lead, when behind it is not a great play. Kessig Wolf Run might be a "win more card" its fine when you have no cards in hand, but i dont forsee that happening being you have big spells, so youll only really cast 1 spell a turn. Surgical Extraction helps with graveyard decks 2x SB is where I would put it if you fight those decks.
1 month ago
Thanks for the comment Byuante.
So this deck isn't really about attacking, which is why I have left out some of the more obvious finishers like Overwhelming Stampede and Craterhoof Behemoth . Though adding in one mass pump spell isn't a bad idea if my primary win-con fails.
Speaking of which, Furystoke Giant and Aerie Ouphes are part of this deck's win condition. This deck is all about using the persist mechanic to go infinite. Each creature with persist creates an infinite loop with a free sac outlet and either Grumgully, the Generous or Melira, Sylvok Outcast on the battlefield. I run all of the persist creatures simply because there aren't many of them to begin with.
Add in any of Purphoros, God of the Forge , Impact Tremors , Altar of Dementia , Blasting Station , Warstorm Surge , or Stalking Vengeance to close out the game. Though now that I see all of the finishers listed next to one another, I may cut Stalking Vengeance or Warstorm Surge . 6 payoffs is likely too many.
Woodfall Primus is a special case because it is both the best persist creature, and yet due to its ability, it is the worst for the combo. It can't go infinite because it must destroy a noncreature permanent. That means it will eventually have to start targeting my own things. I almost left it out of the deck because it basically reads: "your opponent's can't play for the rest of the game". However, it is just a very good card on it's own so I left it in the deck.
Broken Bond is an interesting card that I really should try out. I always see it, but because it's sorcery speed I have never tried it. Plus it's another card that deals with Torpor Orb which automatically makes it something to consider.
1 month ago
Melira, Sylvok Outcast also combos for "unlimited life'' with Phyrexian Unlife and helps with cards such as infinite Murderous Redcap for a win con if you are already running Viscera Seer but you do have Vizier of Remedies so its just as good. you also have a lot of 2 mana cards so maybe Claim if you have to deal with red/black removal decks to get a critical piece back on the field.
1 month ago
A Melira, Sylvok Outcast or two might not be a bad sideboard option for a poison deck response? Otherwise looks fun I never considered constrictor for energy counters, now i'm interested.
1 month ago
I am thinking of cutting Gonti, Lord of Luxury eventually. I'm keeping Massacre Girl until I can replace her with Massacre Wurm . I like Lord of Extinction but I keep forgetting about it so I'll add it to the maybe board now so I don't forget.
I already took Victimize out the deck for Whisper, Blood Liturgist as for one more mana I got a lot more uses out of it. I don't like Animate Dead because of all the ways to get creatures out of the graveyard i would have to wait for it to die to use it again.
1 month ago
Depending on how you want to drain, there are combos with hulk that win on the spot with a sasc outlet.
In my playing of Meren, I cut Gonti and Massacre Girl. To me, they dont do enough for the mana. I see that you are playing Jarad, so maybe you can play his best friend Lord of Extinction . If you have a measly graveyard of +- 10 cards, he can easily be a big threat to throw around/sac for damage/milling.
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