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Congregation at Dawn
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Congregation at Dawn Discussion
2 weeks ago
A couple of fun cards I'd think about looking at: Mayael's Aria can be a ton of fun. Apex Altisaur is an amazing board wipe for the deck, as is Bane of Progress . Faeburrow Elder is an excellent mana dork that can tap for 3 mana, Drumhunter is slow for a mana dork but also draws cards. Congregation at Dawn is handy for picking a creature to have Mayael dump onto the battlefield
3 weeks ago
Hey, I have a different opinion.
I think only Shalai is worth adding because she can help to protect the creature combos, Ghired, yourself, she's a flying creature and she's not a five drop. It's not that other three five drops are bad cards they're just not worth adding since there's other cards that can help your deck more. There's already nine five drops in your deck which is too much. If you were to add another five drop then my advice is to cut a five drop. There's plenty of lower mana cost protection already: Intervention, Charm, Rootborn, Escort.
Shared Summons for example is a better five drop for your deck then Muse, Asceticism, Privileged, Tendershoot, Oketra, Frostfang, Packleader because it can tutor for the creature combos. Your deck is a combo deck, but it lacks tutors which can find the combos or better cards. Eladamri's Call is great, but it's the only tutor in your deck...
The about $30 price of the four cards combined could be used in other ways. An option would be to upgrade the manabase with more playable dual lands. Getting a Temple Garden , Stomping Ground and Canopy Vista for instance makes the good land ramp spells: Nature's Lore , Wood Elves and Farseek nice options. Another option that's better for $30 is get an Enlightened Tutor and Eternal Witness to recur a tutor or any other card.
Helm of the Host is a big part of the combos, but you don't have any way to tutor for it other than six drop Godo. Gamble , Open the Armory or Enlightened Tutor can all do more than Muse, Asceticism or Privileged. Fierce Empath , a less than $1 card, can do more for your deck then Muse, Asceticism or Privileged.
Tutor options (budget or expensive) to consider adding:
1 month ago
Hey multimedia, thank you for all the suggestions and tips! I really like that combo with Mirror Entity and Atla Palani, Nest Tender . Definitely a busted interaction but if I can manage to pop that off it would give me a crazy advantage in my groups meta, so I'll definitely play with that idea.
Just to clarify a few things, I own all of the lands and 90% of the remaining cards in the maybe board so maintaining budget value isn't much of a concern right now. A lot of the cards, particularly the lands, have already been set aside to rotate in as we play through the league. Each week we can change 1-4 cards in our decks based on placing within the most recent league match(1st place:+2 cards, 2nd place:+3 cards, 3rd/4th:+4 cards).
You raise some valid points with several cards like Splinter Twin, Omnath and Iroas. I was thinking of subbing one of them for Protean Hulk as that could also help tutor creatures to the board like Godo, Aurelia etc. It would also work well with your Mirror Entity suggestion since the other players might not be so inclined to killing the Protean Hulk . To further enable this kind of combo, Fierce Empath , Congregation at Dawn and Eladamri's Call would be solid additions to pop the Hulk or other bigger creatures earlier I think. I'll definitely be playing around with these ideas!
I would like to keep Panharmonicon in the deck, at least for now, to help amp up etb triggers from cards like Ghired, Garruk's Packleader , Armada Wurm , Avenger of Zendikar , Angel of Sanctions etc. Having access to double rhinos from Ghired hitting the board has definitely helped me out a few times in previous matches, but it would also enable other cards that I've been wanting to add to the deck.
Eldrazi Displacer is another card I'll be playing around with in my next few play tests. I've been having trouble protecting my commander because the guys I play with don't really appreciate the rhino party... So Ghired gets sent back to the command zone pretty quickly in our matches haha. I also have Cloudshift set aside for this purpose though I hadn't placed it in the maybe board just yet.
But yes I agree, these precons really need some tuning for the mana base. I've been putting it off but my next changes will be swapping out lands to further optimize it and hopefully speed things up a little more. Once again, thank you so much for the suggestions! If you have any other ideas please don't hesitate to share. Cheers!
1 month ago
Hey, nice budget upgrade of the precon. Good work in progress :)
Birds and Smothering are very good choices for expensive price upgrades. Helm is fine too because you added Aurelia and Godo to give you a combo win. Omnath at $7 is kind of out of place because not playing many ways to take advantage of sacing Elementals. Rampaging does the same thing as Omnath for less than $1 and it has trample. Armada Wurm and/or End-Raze Forerunners each less than a $1 could replace Omnath and have more impact. Hornet Queen at $2 creates some nasty tokens.
Interesting choice for the other expensive price cards: Iroas, Panharmonicon and Splinter. There's nothing wrong with these cards, but I don't think they're upgrades that a budget version of the precon needs. The $20 from these three cards could be better used for land upgrades. $20 can get you the three Check lands, one Shock land as well as some other lands and these will help your deck much more.
In my opinion the upgrades that the precon needs the most are lands, tutors and ramp. I see that you're playing pretty much the stock manabase from the precon, but there's many good lands in the maybeboard. Are you in the process of getting the lands in the maybeboard? If so my advice is make them priority for upgrades.
Some budget cards to consider adding:
- Battlefield Forge : colorless/colored mana source.
- Scattered Groves : dual land that can make white mana that Farseek can tutor for. Can be temporary until you get Temple Garden and/or Canopy Vista .
- Naya Panorama : colorless/colored mana source.
- Opal Palace : colorless/colored mana source.
- Game Trail
- Fortified Village
- Sheltered Thicket
- Eladamri's Call : one of the best creature tutors in Commander.
- Fierce Empath : creature tutor to blink.
- Open the Armory : tutor for Greaves or Helm. Having another way to tutor for Helm helps consistency of assembling the combo.
- Congregation at Dawn
- Sylvan Scrying : tutor for a colorless land source or Command Tower , etc.
- Orcish Lumberjack : can tap the Forest to make mana before you sac it meaning Lumberjack combined can make four mana which is very good for a one drop. Lumberjack and a white source can get Ghired onto the battlefield fast.
- Avacyn's Pilgrim
- Talisman of Impulse : colorless/colored mana source.
- Talisman of Unity : colorless/colored mana source.
- Talisman of Conviction : colorless/colored mana source.
- Eldrazi Displacer : with colorless mana sources blink for Ghired and other creatures. Can protect Ghired, after he attacks, triggers, blink him out of combat.
- Mirror Entity : busted with Atla Palani, Nest Tender since it can turn all your creatures into Eggs. Can activate it's ability for no mana making all your creatures 0/0s. They all die, each one cheating a creature from your library onto the battlefield. Entity is also a good card with tokens because until end of turn it can pump all your creatures/tokens to huge amounts depending on how much mana you can make.
- Ogre Battledriver : repeatable pump and haste when creating tokens. Can be a win condition with Entity and Alta giving all the creatures/tokens you cheat onto the battlefield haste. Casting Ghired after getting Battledriver onto the battlefield can give an opponent a beating with haste; doing a combined 16 damage with Ghired and two 4/4 Rhinos.
- Armada Wurm : creates a token with trample, good with blink. 10 power of trample for 6 mana.
- Hornet Queen : creates nasty flying tokens, good with blink.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Rugged Highlands
- Blossoming Sands
- Graypelt Refuge
- Kazandu Refuge
- Myriad Landscape
- Sungrass Prairie
- Emmara Tandris
- Doomed Artisan
- Full Flowering
- Ghired's Belligerence
- Slice in Twain
- Aura Mutation
- Growing Ranks
- Flameshadow Conjuring
- Omnath, Locus of Rage
- Splinter Twin
- Iroas, God of Victory
If you like some of these suggestions I offer more advice about these potential additions and the cards I'm suggesting to cut. Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Falcoshin As in look top 6? Or the entire library, pick the best Angel, Demon, and Dragon and stuff them into your hand?
The last one is definitely too overpowered, the closest we get to multiple card search would be something like Shared Summons which is 5 CMC. Otherwise you're looking at Conflux , Uncage the Menagerie or Firemind's Foresight type of cards.
The cheaper ones would be something like Congregation at Dawn which is significantly worse.
Considering we already have Kaalia of the Vast to cheat the cost and Kaalia, Zenith Seeker to find gas, I would think it wiser to have Kaalia's signature spell be something different but beneficial to those abilities.
Ideas for another way to encompass her signature spell:
She cheats out big Angels, Demons or Dragons with her first iteration, and finds them with her Zenith Seeker iteration.
Perhaps her signature spell should utilize those big things on the board, or bring them back from beyond the grave for another round.
"Return target Angel, Demon, and/or Dragon creature card from your graveyard to your hand."
"Return target Angel, Demon, and/or Dragon creature card from your graveyard to the top of your library in any order.
If you return an Angel, you gain 5 life. If you return a Demon, target player loses 5 life. If you return a Dragon, deal 5 damage to target creature."
It doesn't do much here and now but it secures that future draws are at least worthwhile gas. Basically a flipped Congregation at Dawn with an upside.
I would be careful about providing too much tutoring help to a deck that cheats mana costs in general.
2 months ago
Congregation at Dawn seems to work well with the commander
2 months ago
Some additions of cards I’d suggest is Congregation at Dawn and Muddle the Mixture , it can find ANY 2 cmc card. So it can find one of your signets you need, Sword of the Animist and other instants/sorcories or any 2 cmc creature, say a Whitemane Lion if you added it in here! Just some thoughts
2 months ago
I love this idea. +1
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