Creature — Zombie
Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counter on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)
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|Duel Decks: Blessed vs. Cursed (DDQ)||Common|
|Avacyn Restored (AVR)||Common|
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- Butcher Ghoul + Ghave, Guru of Spores + Phyrexian Altar
- Ashnod's Altar + Butcher Ghoul + Ghave, Guru of Spores
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Butcher Ghoul occurrence in decks from the last year
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Butcher Ghoul Discussion
1 day ago
So a similar but cheaper cmc alternative would be Butcher Ghoul. Also Putrid Goblin for a persist version. If you want a more expensive card that can help generally try looking at Cauldron of Souls. Also, in my opinion Genesis Chamber is one of the most underrated cards in commander, especially in terms of generating sac fodder for things like Phyrexian Altar or anything that benefits from frequent sac targets.
What specific qualities do you want for your sac fodder? Is it just low cmc self recurring, or anything else you are looking for?
As for your Mana, it's looking better. Still lean for my tastes.
4 months ago
The title made me think of a Rankle deck as the little fairy is a trickster, so he might be interpreted as Loki, who's the father of the norse goddess Hel. After scrolling a little through the list, I quickle came to the conclusion that this has to be a Yawgmoth list. That much regarding the flavour and synergies.
As far as suggestions go, how about Geralf's Messenger , Sightless Ghoul , Evernight Shade and Butcher Ghoul ? Just get into play two of these and go infinite, killing all of your opponents off with any die-trigger drainer.
4 months ago
Since your plan is to establish an overwhelming board state with buffed zombies, I suggest you look up the following creatures:
Undead Augur - Very cheap card and an additional draw engine for your deck.
Butcher Ghoul and Putrid Goblin - These serve as fodder to carrion feeder or suicide squad for augur card draw. Then you can bring them back to your hand with Relentless Dead, re-cast, rinse and repeat. Very cheap cards.
Lazotep Reaver - Same as the two above but it instead of waiting for the death trigger, this gives you 2 bodies upon resolution. Very cheap.
Geralf's Messenger - Reanimates itself, good ETB x 2, good for devotion, kinda expensive though.
I haven't really looked into Throne of Eldraine, but man Murderous Rider is good! I think you should have at least 3 copies.
I limited my suggestions to <3 CMC. If you want your deck to be more competitive, lower your average CMC. Also, try to stay away from stuff that exile cards from your graveyard. I suggest you cut those.
I have paper monoB zombie tribal as well, started with more or less the same build as yours. I think you have too many lords, you only need Death Baron to control the board. Lord of the Accursed is a "win more" card, it will only slow you down. The Reaper will slow you down as well. Though it can answer graveyard problems, I prefer sideboarding Withered Wretch for that effect.
Hope this helps. Good luck on your build.
5 months ago
PHATJER, so I know this is kind of well...late but another creature you should include in your build is anything with Undying such as Geralf's Messenger or Butcher Ghoul to accompany Yawgmoth, Thran Physician instead of Reassembling Skeleton .
6 months ago
Since this is a budget list, I'll list some budget recommendations. Cool? Cool, let's do this
Corpse Knight should be in. He's half of Zulaport Cutthroat but for half the work- you put the tokens in, they just lose life, no need to sacrifice anything (so you can maintain a board state while being doubly threatening). This is one of my favorite new cards so I'd recommend you add this in on either of your lists. It's half the cost of Poison Tip Archer, for example, so that could be a straight upgrade for this slot.
Generous Patron is very, very good. 1 mana = 1 card draw by sacrificing a creature token is huge.
Retribution of the Ancients is better than Phyrexian Swarmlord.
Geralf's Messenger makes an infinite combo with Ashnod's Altar and Ghave that kills all of your opponents. Any Undying creature + Ashnod's Altar + Ghave = Infinite creatures at minimum, so I'd recommend Butcher Ghoul , Young Wolf , and Geralf's Messenger . They're overtly good counters sources assuming you have a sac outlet (1 mana = 1 token is good), but go infinite at the drop of a hat. That's better than Verdant Force, Avenger of Zendikar, and Vindictive Lich, as it forwards your gameplan faster.
You don't need Mana Geode. Sakura-Tribe Elder is one mana cheaper and grabs any basic, so I'd recommend that.
No Cathars' Crusade seems odd. It goes infinite with Devoted Druid and Ghave, but it also gives counters everywhere and makes you threatening even when not in an infinite combo.
That's all I've got for now. Hope this helps!
7 months ago
This is very similar to a deck I worked on with someone else https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-06-19-gb-undying/. It is a very cool deck and I never thought of running hapatra, seems sweet as a controlling draw combo. Just those 2 cards together make me excited about this deck again, partly because this interraction doesnt use the graveyard. Although this deck is very super sweet, in testing with the deck I made, there needs to be a different approach or better undying creatures printed for the deck to be really good. I strongly suggest you play Retribution of the Ancients , I have a full explanation of why on my deck description. also with undying creatures, it is nice to upgrade them and just swing in, so I recommend some combination of Viscera Seer and Carrion Feeder . those in conjunction with retribution let you machine gun creatures down. also I noticed you dont have Strangleroot Geist , Id replace your Butcher Ghoul with them. Anyways, cool deck! +1
8 months ago
I love the idea of Extraplanar Lens honestly! I am just at a loss of what to cut for it, the list feels real tight as is, I don't really want to lower my creature count much more. But I am thinking Midnight Banshee is a wee bit slow, even though it is free counters... It is still 6 mana, perhaps it can go.
I REALLY want to make room for Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed , seeing as how I have multiple ways to bring him back, and he can bring back virtually ANY card outside of artifacts in this deck. (I guess not the devoid guys, but still.) A way to recur my high threat enchantments would always be useful.
Anyone have any other suggestions? I was considering one more undying creature to potentially go infinite with Geralf's Messenger . Sadly the only card I can think of is Butcher Ghoul which is really mediocre outside of the infinite combo with Geralf's Messenger . Maybe I don't need it as I do have a few ways of creating tokens from things dying. Any thoughts on this?
8 months ago
Hey! Saw your deck posted before FLATSO99's and thought I'd comment since I also play Ghave.
First off I assume your goal with this deck is to play "fair" with a go-wide tokens and counters strategy with some options to win with a combo, but I'd like to offer my primer for you to take a look at and borrow anything you like. I go into detail the different combos you can get from Ghave and how they work as well as a list of combos found in my list.
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That being said, I have a few suggestions for how you can strengthen the deck even if you're not looking to combo off as soon as you can.
Your mana curve is a bit high, and I think you can cut some of the more mana-heavy cards to trim the deck and let it play more smoothly. For instance I see Butcher of Malakir but no Dictate of Erebos or Grave Pact . I understand if it's a budget problem, but I personally run Grave Pact thanks to it's lower cmc. Yes, Martyr's Bond does the same thing and even extends to permanents other than creatures, but I find it's not worth the mana cost. You could probably cut that one, too.
I know you mentioned Walking Ballista , and I eventually cut Triskelion in my own deck for it. It only needs an extra card (either a sac outlet or Blood Artist effect) to combo with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed which will still often be cheaper on the mana to cast than just Triskelion .
Unless you're building the deck around it, I'd cut anything with Landfall. It's almost never worth it if you're not making it a big theme in your deck.
I'm not a fan of Faerie Macabre . There are better cards for graveyard hate. Bojuka Bog comes to mind which you should run if you really need the grave hate. If you're insistent on having a spell fill that slot, Shred Memory is better as it also acts as a tutor for a 2 cmc card.
Pack Rat is unnecessary. I'd focus on the saproling tokens. You'll have better synergy in the deck that way.
I also don't think you're running enough elves to get the most out of Elvish Archdruid . I'd cut that in favor of other ramp. The ramp you have in the deck already is pretty good without him.
I notice you have Kitchen Finks which is an excellent combo piece, but have you considered running any undying creatures (besides the effect of Mikaeus, the Unhallowed )? I highly recommend Young Wolf as he's an easy route to getting as many tokens as you want. Strangleroot Geist or Butcher Ghoul can also be good. You could run more persist creatures if you like as well. I've liked having Puppeteer Clique and Woodfall Primus in my deck since if you can recur them over and over, you get some awesome effects. If you want cheap ones to play, Safehold Elite is a possibility, and Modern Masters now has Putrid Goblin which is basically Butcher Ghoul but with persist instead of undying.
Protean Hulk has been the center of most of my wins. Pattern of Rebirth is a quick way to cheat him out, but you should consider Natural Order as well since it gets the hulk out just as quickly. I see Karmic Guide , but I don't see Reveillark or Saffi Eriksdotter . I would highly recommend running at least one if not both of them. They create an endless recursion combo that lets you get everything back from your graveyard or trigger a Blood Artist effect to kill the table. Now I assume you use Leonin Relic-Warder with Karmic to go infinite. That's good, but I still say having the recursion availability to access your graveyard is a big advantage.
Anyway sorry for the super long comment. I just really like Ghave and wanted to leave some constructive criticism to help you with your deck. I generally prefer that kind of feedback myself. Hopefully this helps.