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Chainer, Dementia Master
Legendary Creature — Human Minion
Nightmare creatures get +1/+1.
, Pay 3 life: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. That creature is black and is a Nightmare in addition to its other creature types.
When Chainer, Dementia Master leaves the battlefield, exile all Nightmares.
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Chainer, Dementia Master Discussion
22 hours ago
I'd put forth Chainer, Dementia Master -- You can run all that Mono-B Devotion goodness and instant speed reanimation from any graveyard.
1 day ago
What, no love for Savra, Queen of the Golgari? She's nice because she doesn't lend herself to combo/insta-kills the way Jarad does. Instead, her gravepact effect and her lifegain effect help her control the board through constant sacrifice and reanimation.
3 weeks ago
whatskraken Yeah, but Chainer, Dementia Master is awesome for holding your opponents' creatures hostage, he's typically not meant for reanimating your own. Remember, the card says A graveyard, not just YOUR graveyard. That's how I use him in one of my decks anyway. Also he only exiles if he leaves play, so if you have protection for him, he's fine.
1 month ago
I'm kinda late, but have you ever thought about Chainer, Dementia Master for this deck? He can repeatably reanimate stuff pretty easily
1 month ago
Okay so, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the point of this deck is to use your opponent's best cards against them by first milling them then stealing them from the graveyard.
So in terms of cards that mill, I wouldn't actually use too many, because we want room for abusing those cards in the graveyard. I would say like 21ish? Here are the ones that you have that I think you should keep:
- Mesmeric Orb, which is by far the best mill card. Like, it's not even close. This mills everyone, but it's just so effective in milling. If you worried about milling yourself out (but don't be), either toss in an OG eldrazi titan such as Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre or reanimate Laboratory Maniac or Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar with your deck, since this deck will most likely have a lot of reanimate effects.
- Consuming Aberration
- Jace's Archivist
- Mind Funeral
- Whispering Madness
- Dreamborn Muse
These along with Life's Finale, Jace, Memory Adept, Phenax, God of Deception, Undead Alchemist, Nemesis of Reason, Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker, Trepanation Blade, Keening Stone, Sword of Body and Mind, Mind Grind, Mindcrank, Duskmantle Guildmage (these two are good because of the combo with Bloodchief Ascension, not on their own, obviously), Startled Awake Flip, and Talent of the Telepath puts you right on target of 21. It's a solid mill package, so I'd drop Dismal Failure, Psychic Strike, Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, Liliana of the Veil (I know it seems great, but I really think that a deck like this needs more focus on the goal), and Necromaster Dragon.
Next, the abuse! This is one of the most untapped aspects of many mill decks, and it saddens me. What we need is an array of ways to get effects from opponents' graveyards, but the cards that we have unfortunately usually limit themselves to what card type they can get out of graveyards, such as artifacts, creatures, or instants/sorceries. According to EDHREC.com, the average deck runs 24 creatures, 12 artifacts, and 18 instants + sorceries. Based on those numbers, we should see at least 9 creature-stealing cards, at least 5 artifact stealing cards, and at least 7 instant/sorcery stealing cards, since we probably want 21 of these as well. For the artifact stealing cards, there are only two, and they are Geth, Lord of the Vault and Beacon of Unrest, so lets include 3 tutors to get these two cards as well. Those can be Demonic Tutor, Brainspoil, and Beseech the Queen. Next, the creature ones! I would say the best 9 are Reanimate, Animate Dead, Coffin Queen, Necromancy, Chainer, Dementia Master, Extract from Darkness, Ashen Powder, Sepulchral Primordial, and Nezumi Graverobber. Lastly, the instant/sorceries can be gotten via Memory Plunder, Spelltwine, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Chancellor of the Spires, and Diluvian Primordial, so let's include Ethereal Usher and Netherborn Phalanx to be able to tutor for Memory Plunder if the commander isn't able to do what we need to do and Geth, Lord of the Vault otherwise. These tutors are really going to make sure you get what is best, as opposed to lots of cards like Jace's Mindseeker that get you a random card. What we want is assurance that the card we are getting is going to be impactful.
In short, for the aikido aspect, I suggest dropping Jace's Mindseeker, Phyrexian Metamorph, Puppeteer Clique, Gruesome Encore, Rise from the Grave, and Soul Ransom in order to add Beacon of Unrest, Demonic Tutor, Brainspoil, Beseech the Queen, Reanimate, Animate Dead, Necromancy, Nezumi Graverobber, Coffin Queen, Chainer, Dementia Master, Ashen Powder, Memory Plunder, Ethereal Usher, and Netherborn Phalanx.
That concludes the 43 cards I think you should absolutely run (21 mill, 21 reanimate, Bloodchief Ascension). That gives you 20 slots to put in whatever you would like after you put in the 37 manabase cards, but I think you will probably want about 7 ramp, 7 draw, and 7 spot removal (maybe fit a Laboratory Maniac as mentioned earlier), but I think you got those handled!
And yes, those two cards you mentioned aren't going to work, not necessarily because they're weak, but because they're too expensive when there are better options for cheaper.
1 month ago
Here is another fun janky build i have, but he is more or less voltron. Brion Stoutarm Act of Treason tribal. add in some fling and big creature and he makes the game revolve around him (cause for some reason people dont like to have there creature attack them then Flinged to their faces).
You might like Chainer, Dementia Master mono black control then reanimate every thing
1 month ago
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[horror] There is this. I see a tribal horror list from lorwyn block, when you could be using better cards. You're not even using Brisela, voice of nightmares. Her angels are HORRORS. Horror is fear and nightmares, yet we don't see any Chainer, Dementia Master or Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, who gets incredibly better with Atraxa! How about cards like Startled Awake Flip? That's on theme
1 month ago
Thanks for the feedback shub.
I love the Chainer, Dementia Master i am absolutely gonna add him.
Demon of Dark Schemes was in this deck but has since been removed in place of Massacre Wurm, this was due to the fact that the demon hits my stuff as well, this is especially bad when i have Panharmonicon out. The wurm is equally a meta call due to the heavy amount of graveyard shenanigans and sacrificing in my meta.
I am not a fan of Geth, Lord of the Vault due to him fueling the aforementioned graveyard shenanigans.