Chainer, Dementia Master
Legendary Creature — Human Minion
Nightmare creatures get +1/+1.
, Pay 3 life: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. That creature is black and is a Nightmare in addition to its other creature types.
When Chainer, Dementia Master leaves the battlefield, exile all Nightmares.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Chainer, Dementia Master occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%
Chainer, Dementia Master Discussion
2 weeks ago
I've always had a soft-spot for land destruction. Mana Vortex is quite possibly my very favourite.
But, upon the deck! Aven Mindcensor is always a splendid lock-piece. Leonin Arbiter is a nuisance, Sanctum Prelate can be quite fun, Angel of Jubilation makes any Chainer player weep, Rule of Law or Eidolon of Rhetoric are both enticing, Spirit of the Labyrinth maintains equality, and Crackdown is oft one-sided for strategies such as this.
Ravages of War is another one as addition, if it is to be in the budget.
I have my own commander taxes list if you care to peer upon it.
Enjoy the suffrage! And do remember, fun is relative.
2 weeks ago
Alright, I have some suggestions. Now, never have I dipped in the complot of nocent life-gain, but I do see some follies withal the current decklist.
So, ramp and card draw are necessities of any commander strategy. I typically play decks that dump their hands aggressively, thus I have far more draw than normal. Around 34 slots grant me card advantage and 11 slots are for ramp. Here, you have four cards of ramp and five cards of draw. Granted, one of the draw engines is your commander, but that's six-mana afore it does so.
Furthermore, there are plenty of cards in here that just lack reach. Ajani's Sunstriker is horrid to draw turn 8 and onwards. It may be aggressive betime in the match, yet it is outclassed far too quickly.
So, what I'd cut due to card quality: Agent of Masks, Ajani's Sunstriker, Drana's Emissary, Fog Bank, Goldenglow Moth, Grim Guardian, Night Market Lookout, Oreskos Sun Guide, Pride Guardian, Servant of Tymaret, Wall of Essence, Elixir of Immortality, Fountain of Renewal, Narrow Escape, Spell Pierce, and Mana Leak.
Alright, same drill but I wish to offer some substantiation afore I denunciate these.
Coastal Piracy is a very potent card in decks possessing cheap, evasive creatures. This deck does not, thence I would advise ablating it; merely too inutile.
Sinister Possession and Stab Wound, no matter how much I love the Wound, are easily removed. A sacrifice outlet just negates this effect. The Possession in particular doesn't seem to do anything against certain creatures. Chainer, Dementia Master or Oracle of Mul Daya just don't oft attack or block. Even if, it is a mere two damage. Sure, it may stack quickly, but there are better ways to do so.
Condescend is just outclassed so quickly. Counterspells above two mana must do something potent, and this is potentially more. Scrying 2 is fine, but that also doesn't do much.
Dismiss into Dream is sweet, but this deck cannot deem to hent much from it.
Lovely! Now upon what I would add.
Given that the curve is rather high, I'd add Pristine Talisman; Arcane Signet; the talismans of dominance, progress, and hierarchy; Orzhov, Azorius, and Dimir signet; Mind Stone; and Worn Powerstone. This should grant you later plays far earlier in any match.
Unto thee, benison in card draw. Painful Truths is one I much enjoy. Sign in Blood or Night's Whisper are cheap and efficient. Phyrexian Arena and Underworld Connections go in quite a few decks. Well of Lost Dreams is just splendid. Fact or Fiction is never bad. Dawn of Hope is slow but on-theme. Erebos, God of the Dead seems all too perfect due to its static and activated abilities. Dream Trawler is awfully enticing for gameplans such as this. Lastly, Unfulfilled Desires is a hidden gem that I play in any deck that produces blue and black mana.
Of course, just some efficient engines and finishers. Debt to the Deathless and Exsanguinate are each nocent once resolved. K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth could also be fine, but lacking depending on your hand, for it cares only if the cost is black. Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord fetches fallen utility creatures from the yard and proffers much in life-gain. Aetherflux Reservoir does much in murdering everyone, too.
I'd recommend some more wraths in this deck. Fumigate is perfect, Merciless Eviction or Austere Command deal with those pesky artifacts efficiently, Elspeth, Sun's Champion is never bad, Supreme Verdict is fine though pricey, or Kaya's Wrath is always lovely. Take your pick.
Okay, now for some other upgrades on the basics of the deck. Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Abolish, Return to Dust, Murderous Rider, Anguished Unmaking, Despark, Hero's Downfall, Reality Shift, Generous Gift, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Heliod's Intervention all remove permanents efficiently and at instant speed. Vindicate is fine but a sorcery.
Finally, some more life gain payoffs as consideration: Authority of the Consuls has oft shut down my strategies, Ajani's Pridemate gets far too large, Blind Obedience does something similar, Divinity of Pride and Serra Ascendant are giant threats in their own right, Bloodthirsty Aerialist does the same, Propaganda and Ghostly Prison make opponents pay to deal damage, Soul Warden and Soul's Attendant are early drops that allow for quite a bit of life to be gained, Archangel of Thune is always potent, Vona, Butcher of Magan is spicey, Angel of Vitality bolsters your engine, Boon Reflection doubles it, Twilight Prophet can get out of hand, Beacon of Immortality puts you heavensly ahead, Ajani, Strength of the Pride can win games on its own, and Felidar Sovereign demands an immediate answer.
That's all from me! Have a lovely day.
Thank you and farewell.
4 weeks ago
Well speaking of the devil, I was playing one of my friends yesterday, and low and behold, he was doing mono blavk reanimator/control! some of the cards he used (but weren't as budget friendly), were Slaughter Pact, Bone Splinters mainly for the sac, Kokusho, the Evening Star as the main win con, and some other cards that supported like Gray Merchant of Asphodel and Chainer, Dementia Master. I know that these cards arent really budget, but if you ever wanna dump more money into this cash grab we call a game, then go for it!
1 month ago
Ah, I have piloted a mono-black discard deck for quite the number of years. I have Chainer, Dementia Master at the helm myself, as he is a rather powerful card when everyone's hands are empty, thus he reigns unanswered. Therefrom, a great amount of methods may be used to win.
Tinybones is less of a finisher itself, more so a value engine. As such, I would recommend possessing a lower curve to take advantage of the card draw and more potent finishers within the deck to hent for victory. Also, having card draw outside of the commander would grant a better backup plan. A discard deck's goal is to empty each opponent's hand and win by going unthreatened. If no players have cards to discard, Tinybones cannot provide draw.
The changes I would make are more instants so you kill things once they resolve as opposed to waiting a full turn, swifter discard in the early game to make your commander more effective, stronger finishers for the sake of ending the game betime, and just cutting some cards.
So, first, there are some things I would remove.
- Murderous Compulsion may go with the discard theme, but it's conditional removal at sorcery-speed.
- Bad Deal is ironically a bad deal, as it is six mana for two cards gone.
- Assassin's Strike is just egregious. A six-mana sorcery to kill one thing and they discard but one card. Begone.
- Unnerve is fine but not great. Being a one time effect at four mana, I dislike it, though Xantcha is a great character in the art.
- Haunting Hymn is six mana, which is far too late for discard effects to be effective. You want discard early, as it makes it far more difficult for decks to catch their footing.
- I have the same reason for Tasigur's Cruelty.
- Cabal Conditioning has an identical reason.
- I have a shortlist for this category, being creatures without long-game value; Burglar Rat, Liliana's Reaver, and Banshee of the Dread Choir have discard stapled to them, but don't do much else whilst lacking much in terms of evasion for Larceny.
- Scythe Specter is slow and other cards just do its job better, and Herald of Anguish is slow and lacks fodder for its second ability.
- Necrogen Spellbomb is just crap. Two mana for one card from a single player's hand is awful. Don't play this.
- Awaken the Erstwhile neglects the game plan of having more cards than your opponents whilst lacking the option of going back. I'd just add a stronger finisher.
Alright. With that out of the way, I may suggest other cards.
Upon card draw, you have none outside of the Trinket Thief, Rankle, and Geth's Grimoire. I'd add any of Phyrexian Arena, Sign in Blood, Underworld Connections, and Dread Presence. Necropotence may seem as if it negates the strategy, but it is always worth it.
Lightning Greaves just seem great.
Now, for the finishers I have many. Do note that these are meant to be played when people haven't any cards in hand, hence lacking answers for these once on the field. Sheoldred, the Whispering One grants value from each player's bin whiles eating at their board. Abhorrent Overlord offers a swarm of flyers to end the game. Grave Titan is much the same. Archfiend of Despair goes well with Tinybones's second ability. Though I am not too fond of it, Archfiend of Spite offers much. Geth, Lord of the Vault hents the opponent's graveyards to swarm the board. Kokusho, the Evening Star is a massive threat that harms upon death. Kothophed allows for a quite a bit of card draw. Lord of the Void is always fun. Lastly, Gray Merchant of Asphodel does so much every time it hits the field.
Of course, I'd add more ramp and reanimation. Mind Stone, Arcane Signet, Charcoal Diamond, and Lake of the Dead are great for ramp. Animate Dead, Reanimate, and Dread Return are fine ways to get stuff from anyone's yard, save for the Return.
That shall be all from me. Do enjoy your day!
1 month ago
A trick that really helps me cut is setting up custom categories like this:
1x Pawn of Ulamog #Combo 1x Sol Ring #Ramp
Establish a base of ramp and draw and then limit cards that don't function on their own (#Combo).
Sling-Gang is definitely one of my favorites for a deck like this (keep it).
I think you're still split across extra themes (good-stuff and reanimator vs aristocrats): Torgaar is pretty narrow, so play things you can easily sacrifice for value and cut cards that don't directly feed this theme:
Conjurer's Closet... this really only works with 1/3 of your deck and putting 3 creatures into play to cast Torgaar is effectively the same thing.
Whisper, Blood Liturgist/ Demon of Dark Schemes/ Chainer, Dementia Master... these are all clunky; how are you going to put cards in graveyards that are actually worth the high cost of reanimating? These belong in a different deck or with things like Key to the City.
Nightmare Shepherd... I love this card, but it warps the deck in that it asks you to stop playing from the graveyard entirely (you could just keep drawing instead). This would definitely the direction where cards like Deathrender shine.
Krav, the Unredeemed/ God-Eternal Bontu/ Costly Plunder... I'm realizing that since Torgaar is your sac-engine, you really just want "free" draw like Midnight Reaper and Liliana, Dreadhorde General... followed by Dark Prophecy/ Erebos, Bleak-Hearted/ Harvester of Souls... and maybe Gate to the Afterlife.
Also, you're going to want Living Death.
Also, at least 36 lands. As long as you have 6+ drops, you really want 37-38.
I'm actually really liking Torgaar. He's mostly a sac-outlet in the command zone, so if you can jam a good base of creatures and keep drawing, you'll be able to find a lot of room to do what you want.
1 month ago
Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is an appreciable commander in her own right and would be good to add as a budget option (vs Liliana of the Veil), or even as a supplementary inclusion to increase your Liliana-related flavor. There would be a lack of consistency getting her flip ability to trigger, but her planeswalker abilities are quite good. In a deck focused on mass-discarding, your opponents are bound to have dropped some goodies (large creatures) from their cookie basket (hand) into to the lost-and-found pile (graveyard) for you to make better use of (steal). Flip Lili offers you some useful role compression; the discard ability should always be relevant, and you can attempt to revive a target previously pitched, all in one card.
Getting Liliana to actually flip would be inconsistent at best, but that brings me to my second point: your list lacks any on-demand sacrifice outlets. Even if you don't have robust reanimation capabilities, effects like Soldevi Adnate are severely underrated in mono-black lists, and at the very least, give you the ability to control when and how your creatures leave the battlefield. If for nothing else, consider adding a single sac outlet to use as protection/security for your commander. I suspect Tinybones will be THE target your opponents would want to steal from you; having this extra layer security can prevent quite arguably your greatest asset from being used against you.
I mentioned previously the notion that reanimating things from other opponent's graveyards is something to keep in mind when you're constantly forcing the whole table to discard. I've played a Chainer, Dementia Master list for over a year and a half now, and in it I make use of cards like Anvil of Bogardan, Opression, and Mesmeric Orb to accelerate my own reanimation gameplan while providing the opportunity to cherry-pick useful creatures my opponents discard. While those effects should, in general, be asymmetrically beneficial to you as the controller, in my experience there are SIGNIFICANTLY more graveyard-focused decks out in the field when compared to a few years ago. These days, even decks that aren't purely graveyard-focused more commonly include cards that gain advantage off of incidental discarding (Eternal Witness, Finale of Promise, etc.)
So, if you include cards that force the table to discard, you are inherently exposing yourself to the fact that an opponent can stand to benefit from the action of discarding as much as you will. Respect the ability of your opponents' decks to make use of their own graveyards at some level, and try to make sure you pack several pieces of graveyard hate in order to tip the balance behind your discard effects back into your favor. Yes, you should be packing more grave hate than just Bojuka Bog.
If you do end up going heavier on the reanimation spells, try and limit yourself to opponent-only graveyard removal that you can activate at instant speed. Since you're not really touching your own graveyard all that much, my single best suggestion for your current list would be Scavenger Grounds as it only takes up a land slot and can still be used at instant speed. In the future, if you continue to prioritize discard-related effects over graveyard reanimation consider Leyline of the Void for a proactive approach, or Tymaret, Chosen from Death/Withered Wretch to act as a graveyard gatekeeper.
As a final suggestion, consider adding in a little bit more ramp into your list. Never hurts to have more mana ramp when your endgame itself is based on assembling a combo utilizing semi-expensive cards like Magus of the Coffers. Wayfarer's Bauble specifically plays nicely with Black's preference for Swamp-based ramp on the cheap. It's lowkey, and yet very capable. Extraplanar Lens is a noteworthy, low to the ground mana doubler that I don't see in your list already; consider a proxy for it as it may not even be necessary given the low curve of this list in general.
Your deck seems very approachable while still being very capable in quickly assembling your payoffs and enablers. I hope some of my suggestions have been useful! But even if you disagree with what I suggest, just know that despite how innocent and charming of a tiny distraction your commander may appear, it will always just be one big nuisance.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Tayam, Luminous Enigma are probably your best bet for a competitive reanimator commander. Chainer, Dementia Master can also be competitive if you go the stax route. My Erebos, Bleak-Hearted deck isn't competitive but it often holds its own against high powered decks. Teysa, Orzhov Scion can also be very, very strong.
With all that said, the biggest thing for making a strong reanimator deck is filling your graveyard with combo pieces quickly and redundancy.