Chainer, Dementia Master

Legality

Format Legality
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Torment (TOR) Rare

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Chainer, Dementia Master

Legendary Creature — Human Minion

Nightmare creatures get +1/+1.

, Pay 3 life: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. That creature is black and is a Nightmare in addition to its other creature types.

When Chainer, Dementia Master leaves the battlefield, exile all Nightmares.

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Chainer, Dementia Master Discussion

eleventhend on Muldrotha EDH

6 days ago

Couple of notes up front (might just be due to ongoing edits):

  • You have 2 copies of Victory Chimes in the list
  • You only have 96 cards in the list (including the duplicate above) instead of 100

Design Strategy

Want to suggest a couple of deck strategies to consider focusing in on (they are all fairly synergistic but it might help to pick one to focus on to help the deck feel like it has a clearer win condition):

Mill-Value

With your current list of mill-value and beats, the missing pieces only seem to be ways to close the game.

Potential Additions

Discard Group Slug

I think this is a really interesting avenue for Muldrotha: running cards like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Waste Not, Oppression, Mindslicer and Myojin of Night's Reach to clear out your own and opponents' hands while benefiting from Muldrotha and other graveyard recursion effects to allow yourself to keep making plays. It would be a deck unlike any other at our table so far.

Your win conditions could be both mill, using cards like Keening Stone to close, or life-loss with cards like Liliana's Caress and Bloodchief Ascension mixed with some mild creature beats.

Other solid cards that support this archetype:

Graveyard Theft or Pure Recursion

This concept would run recursion spells like Boneyard Parley to steal the best things from opponents graveyards. In this case, Muldrotha allows us to consistently run targeted recursion from our graveyard, and we can focus our deck construction on the grave-robbing package. Because of Muldrotha's ability, we want to focus primarily on "theft on sticks" which we can repeatedly cast as needed, likely leaning heavily into Black.

Theft on Sticks examples

Self-recursion

Zimmers_0 on The Deckwatch [Home Base]

1 month ago

Personally a fan of Sidisi self mill with reanimator tactics. Karador, Ghost Chieftain is a lot of fun and combos off really well. If thats to many colors, Meren of Clan Nel Toth instead.

Chainer, Dementia Master for mono black. Balthor the Defiled is also fun. same with Sheoldred, Whispering One.

Feldon of the Third Path for mono red.

A reanimator commander really depends on the combos of the deck more than anything. If you arent using combos, get a more bland commander.

MagicalHacker on Xira Arien Decks

2 months ago

Back in the day, I wanted a Jund EDH deck that used stuff like Sneak Attack and Elvish Piper to cheat in big creatures then reanimate them back onto the field, with stuff like Chainer, Dementia Master. I'm sure I could find it if I wanted to. lol

Mj3913 on Paying With Your Lives, and Mine (Selenia)

2 months ago

Few changes I'm considering, what y'all think?

Sepulchral Primordial or Chainer, Dementia Master. One turn return of 3 or return over multiple turns.

Animate Dead or Phyrexian Reclamation. One time deal or reusable.

Souldrinker or Unspeakable Symbol. Same cost of life, Symbol could however be used politically.

Knight of the White Orchid or Grand Abolisher. Don't really want to lose the ramp, but white is our secondary color and nothing else to replace really.

decamun on Gonti over and over again

2 months ago

I love your list. This looks like a blast!

I have a Gonti deck myself and it is probably my most fun deck. It's also one I feel comfortable playing in any setting. In super-competitive settings, it's not favored to win, but at least I'll cast my opponent's foil birthing-pod and have some fun. In less powerful metas it's oppressive and very strong, but not actually broken because there is no combo, and most of the time we're just casting our opponents spells.

Here are a couple of recommendations I have in no particular order:

Chainer, Dementia Master: is a complete powerhouse in my Gonti deck and a good budget card. What is really strong about Chainer is that it works at instant speed and is repeatable for whatever amount of mana you have. Half the time you can win by getting big mana and just recurring Gray-Merchant 5 or 6 times.

Beseech the Queen: is a great budget tutor. It's like a little reward for being mono-black.

Night's Whisper and Sign in Blood: will help smooth out your early game. Gonti can be awkward on turns one and two, because you really want to cast Gonti as soon as possible but black doesn't really ramp until turns four and five.

Strionic Resonator: is another panharmonicon, and panharmonicon is fun. This probably isn't 'good' exactly, but I like Gonti-ing twice.

Mirage Mirror: now you can steal cards that are on the board too, plus it can be yet another panharmonicon!

Torment of Hailfire: is a really reliable win-con. If you are running cabal coffers this will be really strong, especially if your meta is light on counter-magic. Also I wouldn't be afraid to cast it for something not game-ending. For instance casting it for x = 8 will usually reduce your opponents dangerously low, and then you can sit back while they squabble for easy kills on one another.

Journey to the Underworld: Ok, hear me out on this one. It looks terrible on the surface, but it's instant speed recursion that dodges board-wipes, and it's a two for one. It's also a sac outlet and a reanimate spell stapled together. This instantly solves the problem you sometimes get into where Gonti is just sitting useless in your GY or on the BF without the necessary piece to recur him. And on top of that you get ANOTHER creature back!

Grave Pact: This one is a little more expensive than the other cards I've mentioned, but it is REALLY good in Gonti, and it combos with Grave Betrayal for hilarious results.

Mimic Vat: this one is an acquired taste. One one hand, you can put Gonti in it and then do it every turn! On the other hand, if someone destroys your Vat while it has Gonti exiled, Gonti is gone forever. I usually find that by that stage in the game I no-longer need Gonti.

Extraplanar Lens, Gauntlet of Power, Caged Sun: Crypt Ghast is good! Lets have more of them!

I hope this gives you some fun ideas. Enjoy your deck!

SirSh4ggy on Is there a Place in ...

2 months ago

There are a few ways to do this. Either speed up your mana accelerants, or slow down the rest of the table. Black has a lot of good access to both, but especially the second.

The Abyss and Magus of the Abyss will slow their board presence, but leave those bigger monsters for you to pick off with Kalitas. Creeping Dread, Cunning Lethemancer, and Mindslicer (if you're feeling mean) will give you hand advantage and slow their tempos.

If you're set on playing this card, it could be a good addition to a Chainer, Dementia Master deck, as you wouldn't have to really cast it at all.

discipleofgary73 on Into A Breathless Oblivion

2 months ago

As soon as I saw Torgaar spoiled, I thought of you haha. Glad to see you didn't disappoint!
Some thoughts, in order of what I think may work best:
Temporal Extortion Would be great to torment your opponents with in this deck.
Hatred and Unspeakable Symbol Would be a great way to give a Souldrinker boost to any creature (not even your own)
Bond of Agony Is another great way to leverage Torgaar to heal yourself
Chainer, Dementia Master Could be another way to get out creatures to sac
Dash Hopes Is a fun control card in a deck like this
Songs of the Damned Could be awesome later in the game
Control-ish: Slaughter, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Season of the Witch, Yahenni's Expertise (great with your CMC), Ultimate Price (may be better than some others in there now)
Recursion-ish: Strands of Night, Grave Betrayal, Haunted Fengraf
Ramp-ish: Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Underworld Connections, Bontu the Glorified
Life: Disciple of Griselbrand, Gonti's Machinations
Defense: Eldrazi Monument, Will-o'-the-Wisp, Yahenni, Undying Partisan
Sorry if any of these are redundant. Great deck, as always!

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