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Young Wolf Discussion
6 days ago
This is a good start. I feel like you are starting to look at cards the right way- assessing how to balance their disruptiveness and value, but the deck still feels a little unfocussed.
Lets look at a core concept in magic- card advantage- and build to that.
There are enablers; cards that don't do things on their own (lands, ramp spells, combo pieces, most 1/1s, etc). Proactive cards that are very good when your play them on their own (kitchen finks type stuff, planeswalkers) Reactive cards that are good at trading 1-for-1 with proactive cards (mana leak, fatal push), Card advantage spells (things that mean you effectively have more cards played, even if they don't always read 'draw a card'.)
If you have more relavant answers than your opponent has proactive cards, then they'll mostly find it difficult to hit you. If you have more playable proactive cards than your opponent you'll probably be able to race them. If you have cards that slot into multiple categories in useful ways, you have virtual card advantage, and can pick the appropriate approach for the particular matchup. These are the core concepts that you need to build midrange.
Lets look at what your deck wants to do. A build around Demonlord of Ashmouth and Demon of Catastrophes, with enablers in the form of small creatures and ramp spells, and a few spot answers with light card advantage tools to clear the way. You're prepared to give up cards to demonlord of ashmouth or demon of catastrophies to have a big threat hitting your opponent. This is a really good start that the rest of your deck should build to support. A big threat that goes over aggro and fights through answers.
So general principals- you want enough card advantage to offset your enablers, or to make those enablers useful in other ways. You want enablers that also help you race down other decks with big flying demons. And you want tools to protect those demons.
Budget lists can't afford the 'universally good' stuff, like Collective Brutality or Cryptic Command, so you need to look at larger groups of teir 2 cards with good synergy and large print runs, preferably with deckbuilding restrictions that cut the price further. So lets cover some general options, explain the why, and then leave you to find things to fill out the list.
You want things that make small creatures and make these big things easier to cast. Llanowar Elves(price listing on this is busted) and Elves of Deep Shadow will let you cut the land count some- and they'll let you slam a big demon earlier whilst providing a body to sacrifice. Turn 1 extra mana is strong enough for people to spend their lightning bolt on it- and thats one more thing not pointed at the threats.
While Sylvan Caryatid is a great card, spending an extra mana to 'blank' a removal spell with hexproof is less relevant when your big stuff doesn't also blank removal, and likely isn't worth the extra mana (its great when your threats are stuff like enchantments or combos which are hard to disrupt).
Scavenging Ooze should be maindeck- its a graveyard meta, and its a decent body that likes you sacrificing creatures, lifegain is relevant, and even against decks that play no creatures it hits their snapcaster targets. Its both a threat and an answer. Cards that give you lots of options are good.
Cards that let you play with +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters are good in sacrifice lists- much like Gavony Township makes Kitchen Finks nigh-unkillable, Cauldron Haze and cards like Exemplar of Strength or Hapatra's Mark/Heartmender/Nest of Scarabs with Young Wolf and Safehold Elite or Black Sun's Zenith can really put in work. You just need to be sure to pick cards that all work well together. While individually they are worse than high value cards, as a group they can outperform- and most importantly, choose them to be versatile.
A card that gives an aggressive and defensive option is perfect for midrange. When building the spine of your deck, look for groups like this to fill it out. Having interseting choices makes the game fun.
Most of all, playtest, and have fun playing. Because thats how you get a top-notch deck. I'd take a look at Rite of Belzenlok decks in standard right now, they showcase a lot of the tools you'll be looking for, and its a good card for the archetype (even if its a little slow).
1 month ago
Any deck that plays Nulltread Gargantuan gets an upvote from me!
Consider Coiling Oracle. Pairs great with Nulltread, evolves your 0 power creatures, and is a reasonable graft target. Also inexpensive! I have no idea what Fathom Mage or Master Biomancer are worth right now, but if they're in your budget you should definitely run them. Experiment One is another great evolve creature. Strangleroot Geist and Young Wolf both have undying, which is recursion PLUS a 1/1 counter! Avatar of the Resolute and Narnam Renegade are great 1/1 counter cards. Woodland Wanderer is a personal favorite of mine in 2+ color decks. I know Hardened Scales just recently jumped in price but it's a card to look out for if you can afford it.
You should consider playing some removal or counterspells so that a well-creafted deck doesn't just roll all over you. Mana Leak and Remand are cheap, effective counterspells. Unfortunately Blue + Green is the color combination with the worst removal - your best bets are Rapid Hybridization or Beast Within.
Your lands could use a little improving too. I know that's hard on a budget, but Botanical Sanctum is still (relatively) inexpensive, so you can try that. You could also look at Hinterland Harbor, though honestly I don't remember what the price on that looks like at the moment. At absolute bare minimum you could consider some Evolving Wilds so you can grab the color you want when you need it. They also trigger Revolt for Narnam Renegade, if you do wind up running that.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck and have fun!
1 month ago
I've recently ordered a set of Pelt Collector. They seem like a great inclusion. I'm either leaning toward 2x (-2 Kalonian Tusker) or 4x (-4 Experiment One). My meta was so full of board wipe for the longest time that I played Young Wolf as a precaution over Militant. I found the extra buff it gave the Avatar to be quite a big deal in terms of trading creatures later on. I wonder if Pelt Collector will be what MGS really needs to go up the tiers. On another note, I've started playing at a new FNM Modern and added an odd trick. They kept playing around Blood Moon game 1-2 thinking I must be splashing red for it because I added Cinder Glade for absolutely no reason. I got 2nd place(lost to Merfolk after 2 horrid mulligans) but it was hilarious!
1 month ago
Yeah, I just feel like that's a different deck altogether, and more similar to what's already out there. I like these cause they auto-sac at the end of turn, hopefully triggering Pelt Collector twice... I maybe should still squeeze Experiment One in there somewhere. But the undying stuff doesn't work as well, in my opinion, because they have to have higher power than Pelt Collector to trigger it. So Young Wolf, for instance, would only trigger it once, when it returns to the battlefield, and you'd have to have a reliable way to kill it. So that won't happen until turn 2 or 3.
1 month ago
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So, just to give some context from where my advice stems: I've played Ghave for 6 years now and it's easily one of my favorite decks. I play full-on combo Ghave, but I used to play fair token overrun Ghave. My deck list is here if you need a reference for any combos I mention today: Ghave: Baby Makin' and Alimony
Ghave works as a fantastic token generation engine, where 1 mana = 1 token. You don't normally get that much benefit out of your token producers, with basically all of the saproling makers take so many turns that they're too slow to overrun efficiently. Things like Mazirek are great if you have doublers down, but Cathars' Crusade is missing and it requires you jump through fewer hoops- make 1 token, make everything but 1 creature on your side of the board huge. Cathars' Crusade is one of the best cards in the archetype, I strongly suggest running it.
In similar vein, Ivy Lane Denizen, Bloodspore Thrinax, Juniper Order Ranger, among other cards, also go infinite with Ashnod's Altar for infinite mana and tokens (you make 1 token, get a new counter. Pay another to remove that counter, make a new token, obtaining another counter. Sac the first creature to get your 2 mana back and have a new token. Repeat this for infinite colorless mana, and because you have infinite colorless mana and 1 mana = 1 token, you now have infinite tokens), not to mention the aforementioned cards are just good in the deck because they let you generate tokens more efficiently.
Undying creatures are also phenomenal at producing Saproling tokens with Ghave. While not saprolings themselves, you'll be able to produce tons of them efficiently using cards like Young Wolf, Butcher Ghoul, Geralf's Messenger, and the like. Again, Ashnod's Altar + any of those + Ghave = infinite tokens too (you sac the Undying creature for mana in this loop, then pay 1 of the 2 mana you get to remove the counter from it, resetting the Undying creature).
For fair Ghave, there's nothing better than Seedborn Muse. Ivorytusk Fortress isn't bad, but Muse untaps all of your lands which lets you make more tokens on opponents turns, effectively becoming a Gaea's Cradle if you have a counters source on field (because if you have 5 mana, you obtain 15 extra tokens if you have 3 opponents. Not to mention you can cast instants on opposing turns as well).
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip should probably be in here as well. It's not a bad card at all, and it and Cryptolith Rite can help you make absurd amounts of mana so you can go from 10 tokens to 20, then to 40, then to 80 in just a couple of turns without even needing Doubling Season.
I recommend cutting the following for some of the above cards:
Life and Limb is just worse Cryptolith Rite, now, in that it lets your opponents board wipe your lands. Cryptolith lets your tokens tap for any color of mana at half the mana cost, so it seems like a reasonable swap without the downside of losing lands to a Wrath of God.
Dark Heart of the Wood isn't great, especially without Life and Limb. Cutting that for Growing Rites or any of the aforementioned cards would help a lot. I don't feel it necessary to run all of Gravity Well, Raking Canopy, and Downdraft. I'd at least cut Downdraft. Druidic Satchel isn't the greatest, and practically any card above will make tokens better.
Flash Foliage should probably be Beast Within or Anguished Unmaking, as blocking a big creature once isn't that great, but being able to remove literally any troublesome permanent (and 3/3 beasts aren't a big deal) or being able to exile a troublesome nonland permanent is pretty awesome.
Anyway, hope this helps. I tried not recommending you cut any of your spore counter guys because they're probably your theme, but the above cards will definitely help you along quite well, so try to squeeze them in where you can (and small confession: I have a bit of a soft spot for Thallid, Sporesower Thallid, and Sporoloth Ancient. One of my first Magic decks was a spore counters deck using all of those guys from Time Spiral block + Opposition to lock my opponents down, lol). On the subject of opposition, though, maybe Glare of Subdual might be a card you like to swap out Flash Foliage for? If you regularly have the most creatures at the table, just tap everybody down so no one gets to attack but you. That's always fun.
Anyway, I'm out, have fun!
2 months ago
I'm going to add the following cards:
- Gallant Cavalry
- Nature's Lore
- Young Wolf
- Supply-Line Cranes
- Sultai Emissary
- Hired Blade
- Viashino Pyromancer
- Viashino Pyromancer
- Goblin Instigator
- Elvish Rejuvenator
- Plagued Rusalka
- Carrion Feeder
- Sinuous Vermin
- Phyrexian Ghoul
- Bloodflow Connoisseur
- Driver of the Dead
- Azra Bladeseeker
- Brindle Shoat
- Jungle Wayfinder
- Nissa's Pilgrimage
- Coiling Oracle
- Peace Strider
- Pierce Strider