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Creature — Zombie
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
When Relentless Dead dies, you may pay . If you do, return it to its owner's hand.
When Relentless Dead dies, you may pay . If you do, return another target Zombie creature card with converted mana cost X from your graveyard to the battlefield.
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Relentless Dead Discussion
4 days ago
Looks good, personally I'd cut Relentless Dead completely. Probably in favor of more lands and interaction.
Since you already have fetches consider a green splash for Abrupt Decay and some SB options.
1 week ago
So I actually have 4 Dread Wanderers that I can get into the deck, and albeit, they are not Token cards, but the spell that brings them back to the battlefield would synergize with my Diregraf Colossus' ability which will, if my understanding is correct on my card ruilings. And I do end up topdecking by turn 4 usually. I don't really like Gravecrawler however, but I do have some Relentless Dead cards as well, so maybe a couple of each of those, thanks for the criticism, and if there is any other ideas thank you in advance.
1 week ago
Again the biggest question relates to budget.
After trying for a year and change to make a competitive zombie deck I'd have to say the biggest pitfall for zombies is lack of a solid play on turn 2. Relentless Dead feels like a 3 drop that new Graveyard Marshal seems legit though.
3 weeks ago
I'd recommend listing this deck under the Casual setting, rather than Vintage, just for the sake of accuracy. I have a couple suggestions that I think you should consider:
I'd recommend running more copies of Relentless Dead. Not only is it a solid card with recursion abilities, it gets better the more copies you run, as it decreases the chances they'll have sufficient blockers.
Gray Merchant of Asphodel is a pretty cool card in a mono-black deck, particularly when you're running cards with .
Accursed Centaur isn't that exciting of a card--it's a 1 drop you can't play on turn 1, and puts you down a creature on turn 2.
You'l want some card draw. Vanquisher's Banner is a solid option in a tribal deck, though 5 mana is a lot to invest. Street Wraith or Gitaxian Probe (even without Blue) are fine options, as they get you a card for a measly 2 life. Or, since you're not restricted by format rules, you could run Necropotence, a card so powerful it makes Vintage's restricted list.
4 weeks ago
magicsheep, Here is what I came up with after getting rid of the red. I feel this deck is alot more focused than it was before. I agree with you regarding a cantrip to get me to The Scarab God or an answer to something on the board. I'm going to start with Opt and see how it goes. With Opt being instant speed that would allow me to leave mana open for a counter or other removal and then cast it on opponent's end step. Plus, in a pinch, Torrential Gearhulk could cast it out of my graveyard.
I'm going to keep it standard legal until the Kaladesh stuff rotates out in a few months. Then, I'll add in 4x Underground River to fix my mana and possibly some dimir fetches/shocks if the deck is performing well and I'm having fun playing it.
As for creatures, I think Eternal of Harsh Truths may be a keeper into modern since it will deal damage whether blocked or not with the huge upside of drawing a card. I'm not so sure about Ammit Eternal, though. I think those spots will be better served Lord of the Accursed or Death Baron.
Trespasser's Curse seems like more of a sideboard card, but almost every single standard deck plays creatures and this seems like good value for a two-drop. Once Kaladesh rotates out I'll probably relegate those to the sideboard in favor of Relentless Dead.
I haven't played alot of modern (mostly edh), but I think Fatal Push would slot in well in a modern deck as cheap creature removal. I envision Consign working well as a two-drop bounce, but being able to cast the aftermath discard spell from the graveyard would be handy as well. Plus, Torrential Gearhulk would be able to cast either part of it from the graveyard.
Vraska's Contempt is where I'm a little torn. It plays fine in standard. I like that it exiles, plus it can deal with planeswalkers and incendental life gain is not a bad thing, but I feel like 4 CMC is a little pricey for for what it gives you.
Sideboard cards will likely include: Duress or Inquisition of Kozilek, Spell Pierce, and Trespasser's Curse. Hostage Taker and/or Clever Impersonator also intrigue me as a potentially interesting sideboard includes. Is there anything else worth considering for the sideboard?
4 weeks ago
If you eliminate red, cantrips like Opt would probably be necessary to smooth out draws and ensure you get to The Scarab God when you need it. In modern, I would actually use Serum Visions over Opt but that's just my personal preference.
I will be extremely interested in seeing how this deck evolves from standard to modern as rotation happens. I think that UB would probably allow you to tighten up your mana base and smooth out your deck, so that's probably an excellent idea.
Wonderful deck, ncjhou.
1 month ago
Thanks for the suggestion Chasmolinker! I want to like Relentless Dead, but its abilities are conditional upon it dying and require spending mana. The mana curve of this deck is so low that every mana counts. But I haven't tested Relentless Dead, so I'm just speculating.