|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Printings View all
|Shadows over Innistrad||Mythic Rare|
Combos Browse all
Creature — Zombie
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
When Relentless Dead dies, you may pay . If you do, return it to its owner's hand.
When Relentless Dead dies, you may pay . If you do, return another target Zombie creature card with converted mana cost X from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Price & Acquistion Set Price Alerts
Relentless Dead Discussion
1 day ago
I have Eldrazi Temple, Daybreak Coronet, Urza's Incubator, Craterhoof Behemoth, Progenitus 2 Relentless Dead, 3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos, and I'm looking for Asceticism, Attrition, Balefire Dragon, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Time Warp, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, Temporal Mastery, and 3x Isochron Scepter. I also have a binder with plenty more of my wants and haves. If you see anything that you like, please let me know!
Thanks in advance!
1 day ago
2 days ago
Phyrexian Arena it's a personal staple for me. It's a Bob (costing one more, ok) but much less drawback; less damage and harder to remove. Usually, when casted on 3th turn, the game it's decided - improve your mana ramp, responses and...card advantage each turn.
Talking about the Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, I'd suggest yout to test two copies, maybe one. Could be an issue for Obliterator, sometimes. But, imagine a Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx as you 4th land - your board: Geralf's Messenger and Relentless Dead (not hard to happen). Swing 2 land to pump Nicky for 5x - and last one land. In a board with a Geralf's Messenger and a Phyrexian Obliterator. 7x using only 3 lands - for an aggro deck means all your hand in battlefield and spare mana for a Abrupt Decay or Fatal Push.
My point (using my experience in my deck): the number of times you will profit its higher than facing Nicky on your oppening hand and depend on him for drop something monoblack. Will be concetrated on cases when your oppening hand have small devotion-drived drops, such Relentless Dead. But I think worth the test.
ps.: My deck (linked) is a bit outdated. I'll update it!
3 days ago
Hey there zephyr_chang, I'm glad you like the idea! First of all, I have to disagree about Death Baron being better in competitive Modern than Lord of the Undead. My reasoning is that creature fights are just as often won by that lord effect than the deathtouch, and in the late game I'd rather not have to rely on Relentless Dead's death trigger. Secondly, Black Cat feels more like a sideboard card than a mainboard one. Actually, to the rest of your suggestions, I have to say that my opinion is that for a competitive modern list, I'm trying to streamline it as much as possible. All of your suggestions are great, and I'd love to play them, but they all seem to revolve around a repeated sac engine, whereas my strategy is more of the black devotion zombies instead. I don't think I'm going to splash any colors right now, but I'll certainly keep white in mind. Obviously Cavern of Souls would be great, but I'm not laying down that cool $200 just yet. I also really like Fleshbag Marauder, but again, it goes into a different strategy. Viscera Seer would work with your strategy, but I feel that, again, it is a different type of zombie deck. I do agree that Diregraf Colossus underperforms. What would you suggest for a replacement?
3 days ago
First off, props on making a Zombie list! I have been testing my own Zombie brew on MTGO for a long time and I find that they have game against many decks out there. Some personal opinions from my own playtesting:
As a Zombie lord, I prefer Death Baron to Lord of the Undead, although admittedly I tested more with the former than the latter. You already have a more efficient recursion engine in Relentless Dead so I'm not sure we need another one.
Black Cat really shines against control and combo decks, and is useful in general as a roadblock. With a sac engine in place, you can even choose when you want to strip a card from your opponent's hand when he tries to go off, for example. Plus, since you are playing AEther Vial (I'm not), you can do more tricks with it.
I splashed white just for Tidehollow Sculler (4 maindeck) to have even more game against control/combo because he is just that good. Again, with a sac engine, he just permanently exiles cards. Splashing white also gives you access to insane sideboard options. 4 Concealed Courtyard and some Isolated Chapel should be more than enough. A couple of Cavern of Souls would not go amiss either.
Fleshbag Marauder can also be considered in some number as it gets rid of tricky creatures in several decks. It has good synergy with Diregraf Colossus (you can choose to sac the token) and is crazy with recursion.
I have included 3 Viscera Seer in my list as the value in sacrificing Gravecrawler repeatedly to create Zombie tokens with Diregraf Colossus in play and fixing the top card of my library is just too insane to ignore. I think you can safely cut Diregraf Ghoul - it has underperformed for me when I tried it. A sacrifice engine also sets you up for instant speed tricks with Relentless Dead - give it a try! I even tried a 1-of Diregraf Captain for an alternative win-con but ultimately cut it as it was too cute.
In your experience, what match-ups give you the most problems?
4 days ago
Mono colour decks always lend themselves well to a devotion theme. You have enough black mana symbols to make Gray Merchant of Asphodel a good curve topper. If you go devotion, you can play some copies of Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. If you want to maximise Zombie shenanigans, you can cut Bloodghast for Gravecrawler (an equally resilient threat), play some Relentless Dead to set up a recursion engine with Merchant, Geralf's Messenger, and Phyrexian Crusader.
4 days ago
To me this deck seems to want to be either a Zombie deck or a control deck with Undead Alchemist. I wonder how this performs. Seems to be a lot of 1/1's and not a lot of ways to protect them. Have you thought about making this more of a control deck? I don't have any specific suggestions off hand, just concerned on the number of mana dorks and only 1 win-con. Would suggest going with more of a control feel, maybe Relentless Dead, or a mechanism to throw cards into the grave and use Gisa and Geralf...