Discard two cards: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
|Want (2)||TheMagicFanatic , darthbanana|
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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Uncommon|
|Premium Deck Series: Graveborn (GRV)||Uncommon|
|2012 Core Set (M12)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Zombie Infestation Discussion
1 month ago
Great, seeing something decent going on in Orzhov :) As for your gameplan you can probably take inspiration off of this list: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lurrus-stax-cedh/
I'm playing combo-teysa since 6 years. You're most certainly right on your choice of commanders since card advantage is crucial in strong metas. However Teysa, Orzhov Scion lead my deck leaning to a markov-like list (https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/symphony-of-the-knight-primer/), trying to generate value from bodys with cards like Grim Haruspex and Carnival of Souls. First target for tutoring is always Skullclamp which is awesome when teysa is out and/or you play cards like Pitiless Plunderer and Zombie Infestation which can loot through your whole deck and need minimal setup. Most compact combos are the dead-cat-loop and gravecrawler and carrionfeeder on your choice of Phyrexian Altar, carnival or pirate.
If there gonna be some ideas thrown together I can see some proper Orzhov Lists coming up :) great to see that there's more people into it!
1 month ago
Deck looks good! Personally I would switch out 1x Zombie Infestation for another Village Rites as it helps you find your key pieces. You can even take 2x Infestation out for Rites and another Unearth as well because you might not have a Corpse Knight or Wayward Servant in play and you will need those to use Rally the Ancestors, since you won't be able to attack with reanimated creatures
1 month ago
Here's my Hogaak deck. I wanted to play Hogaak as soon as possible (to swing face)! To that end... pumping Hogaak +5/+x (with cards like Become Immense) or Grafted Exoskeleton lets you two-shot people with commander damage.
2 months ago
Is the creature we are Looping creating mana via treasures or Eldrazi Scions? Dire Fleet Hoarder,Wily Goblin,Carrier Thrall then everytime we loop we are building a stockpile of mana for our future turns.
But we can get more than just value from the creature we are sac'ing oh much much more, how about value from the sac outlet it self? Viscera Seer Start scrying through your deck for your combo pieces ThermopodAshnod's Altar Help you generate more mana for more cards to be cast from hand for multiple card loops Carrion Feeder Keep adding +1/+1's to make a threat that needs to be dealt with before it spirals out of control Spawning Pit why not add more tokens to this to create a potential army of 2/2's that can snap into existence at instant speed? Greater Gargadon How about ticking down a clock to a 9/7 coming to smash your enemies into small digestible pieces?
You think we are done with what value we can get from Looping? not even close, what about other effects that occur when they see cards getting sac'd for greater good of value? Zulaport Cutthroat,Falkenrath Noble,Syr Konrad, the Grim This will start putting pressure on opponent's life totals whenever you sac a creature, or cast in the case of Bontu's and special mention to Syr Konrad as he also does damage when they go back to hand from your yard...oooh that value.
You want card draw? we got it,now its not as clean as blue draw and it does have a distinct smell of decomposing flesh but hey we will take it. Smothering AbominationGrim HaruspexMidnight Reaper even Hazoret's Monument as you do cast in a loop and remember all discard cards will be put back to hand via Garna's ETB.
What all this mana positive and mana neutral creature casts lets us do is frankly more of the same, play multiple creatures a turn to make multiple treasures or make multiple tokens or scry multiple times it all depends on the set up you have at the board at the time but the more creatures to sac the more effects, the more the merrier the bigger the better.
We now have an infinite loop going and this deck can use this in multiple ways to end the game. Refer to the infinite loops section to see all the options
Do we instead haveDesecrated Tomb or any creature that creates tokens as part of our loop? make sure to end the loop with several millions tokens created and stop the loop with Garna in play, all your tokens now have haste.... Good game? This can also be done is a few other more janky ways using Spawning Pit and either Ashnod's AltarPitiless PlundererSifter of SkullsBlood PetCarrier Thrall and clever use sage of sac'ing for counters and then sac'ing for mana ( or just allays sac'ing for counters if Plunderer or Sifter are in play).
2 months ago
Yo, welcome back ColFrogfoot!
You have a lot of points, so I'll address them each one by one.
This deck mills its combo pieces all the time, and it usually isn't that big of a deal. As I mention in the description, we have ways to get our stuff back (Eternal Witness, Regrowth, Dread Return, Death + Life to name a few). Depending on your meta, you might want some more where those came from (especially stuff that can return noncreature cards like Golgari Findbroker). The only time when you're pretty much screwed is if your yard gets exiled along with the Riftsweeper. I've never been the best at assessing how much recursion I need, so take my amount with some grains of salt, but it seems to be working out for me. Also, since each meta is different, each person will have to do their own assessment there.
You're right that it's pretty unrealistic to get both the Greater Good and the Zombie Infestation out every game (just in half of them XD). All jokes aside, if you aren't completely shut down in the early game, then you have good chances that you'll be drawing most of your deck that game. If there's one thing that I'm confident about, it's the reliability of our card draw suite. Now about that hypothetical where you have both Greater Good and Zombie Infestation out, all you need to draw and discard is a Dread Return and a Bone Miser. Sac three zombies to flashback the Return, getting Bone Miser out, and discard 2 more lands to have enough to play the Phyrexian Altar.
The Necrotic Ooze approach is totally legit. I had a phase with this deck where I used it with Razaketh, the Foulblooded to fetch everything I needed. What I dislike about the ooze though, is that it forces you to use up multiple card slots for stuff that is only useful in that combo. You're eventually going to run into the scenario where you have a couple of dead cards in your hand because you don't have the ooze out.
I am curious about your Necrotic Ooze build though. I will admit that my particular build is not infallible, but it's also pretty consistent.
3 months ago
I would lower the curve a lot and take out cards that cost more than 4 mana. I would also drop the blue from the deck.
Nice job for your first deck from scratch. It's probably a lot better than mine. +1
3 months ago
Thank you folks for your comments and suggestions! I'll be addressing both of you and each of your suggestions in order of appearance within this message for the sake of being concise.
theseax After much playtesting, I have made the seemingly controversial decision of cutting Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth from the list. The pairing itself was a little too cute for my liking as I could never consistently boot it. Even then, on its own, Cabal Coffers requires three other land drops, specifically being swamps in order to net any sort of valuable return from it. Since the mindset of this deck is rather all-in, it often wants to pressure a win between turns 3 and 5, so I've personally opted in favor of a more consistent manabase by dropping the pair. As such, Manascape Refractor probably isn't for this deck I'm afraid. It sort of faces the same issue I had with running Urborg, making it rather dead outside of being used in conjunction with Coffers, especially since I wasn't on Mana Web either.
Meessee Chain of Smog is interesting, but I feel like it could often backfire onto me rather than being a comparable mass discard outlet. Arterial Flow seems solid, although I'm tending to favor permanents like Necrogen Mists and Bottomless Pit that can continuously accrue and churn out card advantage for me in the presence of Tinybones while disrupting my opponents. Tasigur's Cruelty is a rather high top end in the presence of Dark Confidant when I'm already running a risky top end on my curve with him.
Since I'm on Shadowbag, I greatly value the cleanup step at the end of my turn to serve as a sort of discard outlet in case I don't have Skirge Familiar or Zombie Infestation in play to do it for me. Anvil of Bogardan is probably not for my list.
Plain and simple, I like Karn, the Great Creator. Will consider.
For Geier Reach Sanitarium, I think my playgroup is going to appreciate me giving them looting effects a little too much, so I'm going to have to pass on that. I'm also not a huge fan of how Nezumi Shortfang Flip targets a single player and I don't get to see their hand and choose which card they discard.
I don't feel as though I have enough creatures to sacrifice consistently to Contamination in order to keep that sort of effect around, and through a similar vein, Infernal Darkness becomes heavily taxing on me with its cumulative upkeep trigger. I want the stax pieces I'm running to not heavily impact my lines of play while also being able to stick on the board once they resolve without any sort of maintenance conditions associated with them if that makes sense.
Conqueror's Flail is a little too dicey to run in my opinion. It's a bit expensive to boot for a Grand Abolisher effect, and I'm often sacrificing creatures on my board to Razaketh or fast mana outlets so that would be an added layer to play around and pay attention to. I like Defense Grid in here though, considering in conjunction with Shimmer Myr I could play it as a sort of interruption at instant speed to protect my combo from folding to interaction. It's just one of those cards that I should only play when I think I'm going to win and not play it just because I have to mana open to play it. The table often relies on interaction so I could otherwise kingmake if I'm not careful about it. Lastly, Boseiju, Who Shelters All probably won't get enough traction in this deck considering most of my instants and sorceries are either tutors or disruption. A protected Goryo's Vengeance or Shallow Grave would be nice, but if I was on more impactful instants like Ad Nauseam my answer might be a bit different.
Hope I addressed everything fully. Thanks again!
3 months ago
Really nice deck. If you’re going all in on the discarding, Zombie Infestation or Key to the City might be interesting cards to try? Infestation is pretty aggressive with its discard, but the zombies it makes would be decent threats without all the lords. Key is more niche, but can really help with getting through board stalls. Not sure whether either would be good enough for the deck, just something to maybe consider.