Doomed Dissenter

Creature — Human

When Doomed Dissenter dies, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

Discussion (51)

KibaAlpha on Rich White Girls

1 day ago

You've made the same mistake a lot of people tend to do myself included and that is have stuff that creates sac fodder but you don't have nearly enough sac fodder to get your deck going. Your deck will fail to get going or stall out early. You should look at cards like

Doomed Dissenter , Doomed Traveler , Seraph of the Scales , Hunted Witness , Myr Sire , etc.

ChrisHansonBiomancin on Plant-People Pod (M20 Std)

2 days ago

No problem man. Definitely agree that Neoform wouldn't be the best fit here. It works well in the Black-heavy deck since it's cheap & the usual sac fodder are things like Doomed Dissenter and Reassembling Skeleton that can offset the fact that you're spending two cards to get one creature, but Finale is much better for this kind of ramp deck.

Assassin's Trophy & Cast Down are no doubt good cards & it probably doesn't hurt to keep them around, but if you did switch them out with some other removal-creature options I mentioned, especially those Plague bros at the 3-drop spot where you currently have no interaction, it would make both Vannifar & Finale that much better. Could definitely see it either way, but I've found in both my Vannifar decks (they have the same basic removal suite) that having the ability to tutor the perfect removal option is pretty brutal & gives you a lot more outs than hoping to draw into a small handful of removal spells. Then again, I tend to go all-in on strategies to a fault sometimes instead of just playing the "good stuff," so take the advice at your peril :)

Tylord2894 on W/B Teysa Commander

4 weeks ago

Okay, so after looking at this deck for a while, considering its sideboard, and adding some cards that I use often for similar strategies, I've come up with a list of edits (well, actually three lists).

Before I get to those, I would like to explain what I found. Firstly, I like the idea behind the deck. Token strategies are always a great way to make a casual deck that can scale to be for optimized. I love the afterlife keyword as it lends itself to this optimization really well. But there were several less-than-savory card choices in here. The two biggest issues that I saw are ones that I see a lot (and full into too). The first of these is that many cards have a very high cost-to-value ratio. That is, there were several cards that cost too much (mana) and do too little for it. Elgaud Inquisitor is a fantastic example. While Elgaud Inquisitor is on-theme with their on-death triggered ability, that is all they have going for them. The lifelink isn't super useful, and the CMC is WAY too high. They are only a 2/2 too boot. Second off, theme isn't the same as function. I understand that there is a vorthos element to this deck, but since this deck isn't a full tribal deck, I think it's better to focus on ways to make the good parts of the theme work great.

I saw lots of cards that were life gaining cards ( Pontiff of Blight , Impassioned Orator , Riot Control , etc). This deck can make a lot of tokens which Tesya gives lifelink. You need not worry about life gain card. The strength of your creatures that make tokens when they die is that you can easily recur them in W/B. In the lists below, there are many cards that give added value to dying creature or make killing your creatures more ways to die. Lastly and most importantly, you had ZERO ramp and ALMOST NO card draw. THESE ARE THE TWO MOST FUNDAMENTAL ASSPECTS IN EDH!!! You NEED to have them!!! You can not rely solely on the one land drop and card draw. I've listed several cards that assist the main strategy and draw you cards (things like Dredge and Altar's Reap ). As for ramp, there is almost no good ramp outside of green. That only means that you have to look harder. Mana rocks are a must. I only have three in the lists, but they are absolute must-haves. Next, I put in several cards that give you mana in other ways. Most of them align themselves with the main strategy ( Ashnod's Altar , Soldevi Adnate , and Pawn of Ulamog to name a few). Similarly, I added cards that draw you cards from creatures dying. There is one card that I would like to point out in particular, Erebos . The important part of Erebos is his last ability. You pay and 2 life to draw a card. Life is a resource, and you'll be making plenty of it. Be sure to spend it. There are lots of cards that help you turn life into various things, like Bolas's Citadel (which I almost put in and still think has a place here). I would encourage you to look into them. Lastly, I would remove 6 lands. You have other ramp now and don't want to be flooded all of the time.

Here is the list of cards that I would remove:

• Healer of the Pride
• Kitsune Healer
• Mausoleum Guard
• Seraph of the Scales
• Seraph of the Sword
• Syndicate Messenger
• Guardian of the Gateless
• Knight of Sorrows
• Lumbering Battlement
• Orzhov Racketeers
• Angelic Skirmisher
• Deathpact Angel
• Patron of the Kitsune
• Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant / Rune-Tail's Essence
• Knight of the Last Breath
• Angelic Edict
• Angelic Exaltation
• Holy Mantle
• Angel of Despair
• Impassioned Orator
• Pontiff of Blight
• Riot Control
• War Report
• Safe Passage
• Congregate
• Orzhov Charm
• Lingering Souls
• Spectral Procession
• Kindred Dominance
• Ethereal Absolution
• Phantom General
• Treasury Thrull
• Sky Tether
• Pacifism

I understand that there is a budget to this deck, so I've split my suggestions into two lists. The first is all cards that are cheap and should keep you under budget. The second list of cards is for later edits. If you want to spend more money on this deck, those are the cards that I would recommend buying.

• Altar's Reap
• Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim
• Butcher of Malakir
• Demon of Dark Schemes
• Doomed Dissenter
• Dredge
• Grim Haruspex
• Merciless Resolve
• Open the Graves
• Orzhov Signet
• Pawn of Ulamog
• Pitiless Plunderer
• Rescue from the Underworld
• Soldevi Adnate
• Talisman of Hierarchy
• Unearth
• Victimize
• Whisper, Blood Liturgist
• Burnished Hart
• Living Death
• Phyrexian Reclamation
• Priest of Forgotten Gods
• Sun Titan
• Viscera Seer
• Command Tower

As you're read through these, you might notice that a lot of these came from your sideboard. There are lots of good cards in there.

• Ashnod's Altar
• Black Market
• Crypt Ghast
• Dictate of Erebos
• Divine Visitation
• Erebos, God of the Dead
• Grave Pact
• Hallowed Spiritkeeper
• Krav, the Unredeemed
• Oversold Cemetery
• Phyrexian Arena
• Smothering Tithe
• Sol Ring

I hope you enjoy these changes. Just remember that casual decks don't have to be un-optimized.

_jeremy3 on Mardu Sacrifice. Reassembling Skeleton. MTG Arena.

1 month ago

hullos thanks :) I think I will swap out Doomed Dissenter for Tithe Taker . I should definitely add Judith, the Scourge Diva . I like Plaguecrafter and Midnight Reaper , but Militia Bugler doesn't grab them. I really want a Desecrated Tomb too.

KaiyanK on An Extreme Amount of Dead-ication

2 months ago

hungry000

Hmmm I like most of that, but I feel like keeping Blood Scrivener but replacing Doomed Dissenter for Gravecrawler is actually something I have been eyeballing.

I would love to add Cryptbreaker but I feel like the discarding a card is a little scary when I would be losing creatures but at the same time replacing it for Read the Bones and Diabolic Tutor sounds like a plan when I get the funds.

Khenra Eternal for Relentless Dead sounds good to me tho.

Diregraf Colossus looks freaking beautiful and I think would be a great replacement for Stir the Sands and two more Swamps and maybe Undead Warchief could be squeezed in somewhere... Idk. There's too many good zombie cards.

hungry000 on An Extreme Amount of Dead-ication

2 months ago

Sorry to butt in, but for a low-to-the-ground aggro zombies deck I would keep Diregraf Ghoul in. 1 mana for a 2/2 is a good rate, you want low cost creatures to flood the board with, and it gets pumped by the zombie lords so it's still fine later in the game. Here are some specific suggestions for upgrades once you get a budget for them:

Doomed Dissenter / Blood Scrivener --> Gravecrawler ( Dread Wanderer for budget)

Diabolic Tutor / Read the Bones --> Cryptbreaker (card advantage that gets buffed and makes more creatures)

Tattered Mummy --> Graveyard Marshal

Liliana's Elite / Khenra Eternal --> Relentless Dead (4 Khenras or Highborn Ghoul are fine too)

Some other cards you could look at are Diregraf Colossus , Undead Warchief , and Dark Salvation (it's probably worth playing Salvation in place of Murder ). Also, as a general tip, tribal creature decks don't play many non-creatures--around 6 at the most. Cutting some of those spells in favor of more lords would increase the efficiency and power of your deck.

M_Malcom on An Extreme Amount of Dead-ication

2 months ago

I would go with Graf Harvest as it basically shifts all of combat in your favor. I’d drop the Gravediggers as you don’t have much reanimation. in it’s place I’d go Doomed Dissenter and on a side note it’s a target for graf

nathanl69 on Grandma's crippling sacrificial addiction

2 months ago

I'd cut Pitiless Pontiff for Viscera Seer or Carrion Feeder . Cartel Aristocrat is also pretty good, considering the entire Aristocrats archetype is named after it. Doomed Traveler , Doomed Dissenter and Hunted Witness are very good sacrifice fodder and would allow you to sacrifice things much more efficiently.

You have enough life gain to where Caves of Koilos is pretty much just an original dual land.