Creature — Zombie
Geralf's Messenger enters the battlefield tapped.
When Geralf's Messenger enters the battlefield, target opponent loses 2 life.
Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Geralf's Messenger occurrence in decks from the last year
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Geralf's Messenger Discussion
3 weeks ago
This deck really would like some removal. I would recommend the obvious Fatal Push bumped into the mainboard, but I also think Dismember is neat cus ur mono black, and also should have a pretty healthy reserve of life to spend. Not sure if Bontu's Monument is really a big help here. I don't know if theres a lot of turns where you feel great just playing that, and it's a pretty dead draw a lot of the time. Also, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician might be a nice sacrifice outlet, and a way to get more gas, which this deck seems to be wanting a little bit. You could even toss in a couple Geralf's Messengers so that you have that combo potential on the top end, and also just because they're great creatures to have and sacrifice. Cool deck!
4 weeks ago
I am not sure how much you want this deck to look like the meta yawgmoth deck, but if you're trying to get sacrifice value, the full suite of undying creatures (Young Wolf, Strangleroot Geist, and Geralf's Messenger) are all really good. I can understand that that would put a lot of pressure on your Mana base, but undying creatures are really good sacrifice value. I may be partial though because I really like undying creatures. If you don't like that route, I'd recommend running cards like Nether Traitor, Gravecrawler, Gutterbones, or even Bloodsoaked Champion. Another card that seems good here would be Bitterblossom/Dreadhorde Invasion if you are worried about cards like Path to Exile or graveyard hate. Hope this was helpful.
1 month ago
Thetreymeister: In the steps of casting a spell or activating an ability, targets are chosen before paying costs (costs are paid last). If you target a Messenger but sacrifice the same Messenger to pay the cost of Yawgmoth's ability, the ability will fail to resolve when it's time because its target is gone (the game treats the Messenger that comes back from the graveyard as a different object from what it was on the battlefield).
You can keep this rolling with 2x Geralf's Messenger as long as you have enough life:
- Target one Messenger with Yawgmoth, Thran Physician's ability and sacrifice a different Messenger without a +1/+1 counter to pay the cost
- Undying triggers on the Messenger you sacrificed and it returns to the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter
- Yawgmoth's ability resolves and puts a -1/-1 counter on the first Messenger. If it had a +1/+1 counter, the -1/-1 and +1/+1 counters remove each other
- Now you can target the second Messenger with Yawgmoth's ability, sacrifice the first Messenger to pay the cost, and keep the chain going (again, as long as you have enough life to keep paying)
1 month ago
Thetreymeister, that's close. You need two creatures with Undying.
Let's say you target Geralf's Messenger with the Yawgmoth activation but sacrifice the Messenger as part of the cost. The Messenger will come back before Yawgmoth activation will resolve, but the Messenger that just returned isn't the same game object as one that you originally targeted and sacrificed. Now that the target for the Yawgmoth activation doesn't exist, and the activation will fizzle when it tries to resolve.
This is where the rules of the game don't really align with the physical objects that make up the game. Any time something moves zones, it is considered to be a new object in the game's eyes even if that new object is represented by the same physical object. To the game, they are different.
That's why you need to have two Undying creatures to pull off this combo. Let's say you have Messengers A and B. You can target A by sacrificing B. B will come back with a +1 counter and drain your opponent, and then A will have a -1 counter put on it. You can now target B (to remove that +1 counter) by sacrificing A. A comes back with a +1 counter, drains your opponent, and B gets a -1 counter (which removes the +1 counter). Just repeat this back and forth sacrificing, and that's game.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Thanks, I was thinking of a couple of changes that could be done. One is going full creature less. The Smallpox combo would be less effective but easier to play. Setting the board with both Liliana's Caress and Geralf's Messenger can take quite a lot of time.
The other was to change Vicious Rumors for Raven's Crime. Even if the first trigger Drill Bit, most of the cards in the deck already do it. On the other hand, Raven's Crime can be another card that we can replay from graveyard to give the deck more options as we go on in the game.
Trying the deck I noticed that if you are not able to end the game, at a certain point you will run out of gas and you will not be able to finish the opponent, so more cards that we can play more than once are good imo.
2 months ago
I think you are right - Spark Double does not fit into the concept.
About your suggestions. I like Geralf's Messenger. But I think the inpact is not big enough. It dies, comes back because of undying, dies again and comes back at the beginning of the endstep. If it could somehow combo off, but that way it just drains 4 life each turn. Which is good, but not inpactful enough - or am I missing something? I do really like Willbreaker, but a strictly one card synergy does not do the cut for me.
What do you think about Dolmen Gate? I aim to be rather aggressive and attack lot, not taking damage from attacking can be a plus. On the other hand, I am getting the creatures back if Marchesa, the Black Rose is on the board. It looks good, but does not seem like top 100 good, does it?
2 months ago
i love undying and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed is like, my favorite card. but do note that he works AGAINST your strategy of trying to steal your opponents cards permanently. if you rely on mikaeus to give undying to your opponents creatures then they will return to your opponents, stronger.
also he doesn't work on marchesa so that is a huge blow imo.
i'm not sure how Spark Double helps with your strategy. maybe consider for the cut? i know copy effects are cool but i just don't see the synergy here.