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Geralf's Messenger

Geralf's Messenger

Creature — Zombie

Geralf's Messenger enters the battlefield tapped.

When Geralf's Messenger enters the battlefield, target opponent loses 2 life.

Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)

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Geralf's Messenger Discussion

TheRedMage on Meta Puncher

4 hours ago

I still think that this deck would be better with less creatures, more hand disruption and more removal/permission, but I am interested in hearing how it goes!

I am used to seeing Delver of Secrets  Flip in more tempo-based builds (i.e. "play delver, protect it with permission, clear its way with burn, win around turn 6/8), but maybe I am just misreading how long this deck wants the game to go. My working assumption was "as long as possible" but with no card draw I can see why you would run out of gas after a while. If Delver's in, though, Creeping Tar Pit should probably be out!

In a more tempo-oriented deck, though, I start questioning cards that do not have any immediate impact like Sadistic Sacrament . With that much disruption you can probably make it so that your lobotomy effects usually peel at least one card from their hand, giving you at least card parity. But Sadistic Sacrament will never allow you to do that. Cutting it would also free up the slot for some more removal, which I think is needed.

A Geralf's Messenger - Stromgald Crusader - Gravecrawler zombie subsuite in lieu of your current Vampire Nighthawk - Spellskite - Delver of Secrets  Flip (respectively) might also be a good way to approach a more tempo-based game but it would require some testing. I have seen Black Devotion - style decks that do this but they also have additional zombies in Grey Merchant of Asphodel and a fairly different endgame (they plan to win via a massive Nyktos-fueled Consume Spirit ). Might be worth a shot though.

leveebreaker23 on Uncle Ghave's Plan B Café

8 hours ago

You're welcome, I only mentioned the pricier cards because I love ghave. I don't use Melira myself and actually recommend against it if you don't have a good tutor base or many persisters. I also agree that the Bog is too clunky if you're using a budget manabase. If you need grave hate later in your meta Stonecloaker is good and sometimes a good counterspell against creature removal. Also Ashnod's altar+undyinger+Ghave=infinite mana and tokens so Geralf's Messenger and Strangleroot Geist (Butcher Ghoul will do as well if you can't get GG reliably) should be ghave auto includes. If you want some cheap tutors try the transmuters like Dimir Machinations . If you want more control Lapse of Certainty is unexpected. I could go on and on about him so here's where I got a lot of my ideas from http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217128 . But yeah have fun stumbling on accidental combos.

Zacoly on Marchesa EDH

1 day ago

Disciple of Bolas is nice for both the draw and the healing It's WAY better than Altar's Reap .

Your deck would likely benefit from more card draw and/or some tutors to make your deck more consistent, and help your late game.

I'm not using Geralf's Messenger in my deck because in a 3 color deck, triple black is too expensive. He also comes back tapped (so he won't block) and he only hits one opponent at a time for a pitiful 2 damage. He was BROKEN in standard, but he's not amazing in a 3 color deck.

Doomed Necromancer seems to be a weak card - He needs to tap to use his effect, which he can't do after triggering "dethrone" Soooo he's difficult to use more than once. In his place you could try Havengul Lich since he's reusable AND can cast stuff from other people's graves.

Femme_Fatale on Which of these 3 beaters ...

3 days ago

Never run Geralf's Messenger in modern. WAY too slow.

Krayhaft on Which of these 3 beaters ...

3 days ago

  1. Splash green.

  2. Throw in Tarmogoyf .

  3. Profit.

......

OT: It really depends on what the style of deck is that you are trying to build. A R/B RDW-style deck will want to run different cards than a R/B midrange-style deck.

For the former, I'd suggest something like Hell's Thunder . For the latter, attrition-y cards like Boros Reckoner , Phyrexian Obliterator , and Geralf's Messenger .

VampireArmy on Which of these 3 beaters ...

3 days ago

Also at xlaleclx what a ignorant statement. Let's see. Boros Reckoner Fulminator Mage Geralf's Messenger just to name three off the top of my head. Nighthawk is pretty legit, hells thunder is seeing some play in suicide rbw. All in all, from the things you say on here you give me serious bad vibes.

Lime.kraft on 2014-08-30 update of Redemption. (MBD)

3 days ago

In the matter of replacing Nyxathid /Phyrexian Crusader for either Geralf's Messenger or Vampire Nighthawk I can certainly say that Geralf's is the better choice.

I've playtested quite much with both and the lifegain that you gain from Nighthawk isn't really relevant when you have a couple of Grey Merchant of Asphodel's in mainboard. Nighthawk also dies to Lightning Bolt which is a big thing since its the most common 4-of in the modern meta. Geralf's on the other hand takes 2 lightning bolts to die and the devotion he brings can really make for big Merchants. Geralf's is in most cases a 2 for 1, much like Gatekeeper of Malakir and Phyrexian Obliterator , unless they have the likes of Path to Exile BUT even if it does get path'd it might help you get your 4th land drop into obliterator(have alot of experience vs UWR and this really is a thing they have to have in consideration]. The upside to nighthawk that Geralf's cant cover is that nighthawk is an efficient blocker to flyers, something this deck can have trouble finding. This is rarely a problem though because the deck is packed with removal and hand disruption.

And as the SB goes I can recommend Drown in Sorrow as you said and pretty much what Scorprix already said.

Scorprix on 2014-08-30 update of Redemption. (MBD)

4 days ago

OOPS! How could I forget... ; )

Also, you stated your meta has lots of aggro. Try in the SB:

2 Night of Souls' Betrayal

3 Drown in Sorrow

and if you have the money

1 Sword of Light and Shadow /Sword of War and Peace

These gain life and kill creatures. Should work out smoothly.

Also, I'd suggest using Pack Rat over Bloodghast . Mainly because it is a bit more resilient late-game.

In an aggro-dense meta, Vampire Nighthawk is probably much better than Geralf's Messenger , but against non-aggro decks, Geralf's Messenger is probably better.

You may also want to increase text size in your poem. Also, you wrote "Redemption" twice.

"Oath, beg, absence, redemption

Paranoid, abandonment

Betrayal, murder, genocide

Redemption"

If you have more questions/I forgot to answer something/I read wrong and your meta doesn't have much aggro, just remember to link my name. : )

Also, what type of aggro is popular in your meta? Affinity? Zoo?...