Training Center

Land

Training Center enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.

{T}: Add {U} or {R}.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (23)

Northerns on cEDH Staples - Lands

1 year ago

Training Center in bond lands missing :) great list

Azoth2099 on Miracle Wizard | You shall not pass! (LOTR Theme)

1 year ago

StyxOG

Yeah man, dialing in the landbase is so crucial for consistency, it can't be overstated. Personally, I try to keep the curve on my decks below 2.00 if I can manage it, which allows me to cut down to 30 lands and retain speed along with ~10 mana rocks and perhaps a few rituals depending on the build. Your build's got plenty of rocks, don't be afraid to cut down a bit as you switch things up.

https://m.managathering.com/trilands/jeskai.html

Here's all the applicable lands within the color combo. Even upon refinement, I'd imagine that your deck will include a few that come in tapped under specific conditions like Spirebluff Canal & Training Center, but that's fine. Just be discerning as to how often they'll realistically come on untapped (quite often).

I'd obviously also recommend the 5-color lands like Mana Confluence & City of Brass if you can afford them or are willing to proxy them. Cheaper options like Command Tower, Spire of Industry & Gemstone Mine, Forbidden Orchard & Exotic Orchard aren't to be forgotten either.

The only colorless lands I'd consider on a budget are Crystal Vein & Emergence Zone. If budget/proxy constraints aren't an issue, I'd also consider Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors & Boseiju, Who Shelters All.

Also give Mystical Tutor, Enlightened Tutor & Gamble a shot for sure. They just got reprinted, they're super cheap right now! Speaking of sick reprints, Sapphire Medallion, Ruby Medallion, Pearl Medallion & Smothering Tithe have all seen big price drops lately. Gotta strike while the iron is hot, ya know...

Lastly, I'd recommend testing out fellow {W}{U}{R} all-stars Elsha of the Infinite since you're running Sensei's Divining Top so heavily & Kykar, Wind's Fury, which can be utilized as both a wincon & and absurd value engine here with what you've already got going on.

ThassaUpYo@ssa on Anyway I Started Blasting

1 year ago

Bluelian! I've got some additional cards that I think we should consider and potentially work into your list to provide you with more wincons and card draw:

Solphim, Mayhem Dominus, Jin-Gitaxias  ^Flip, Electrostatic Field, Docent of Perfection  ^Flip, Counterspell, Mana Drain, Fierce Guardianship, Deflecting Swat, Blue Sun's Zenith, Electrodominance, Lightning Bolt, Increasing Vengeance, Rapid Hybridization, Force of Will, Valakut Awakening  ^Flip, Sublime Epiphany, Jeska's Will, Finale of Revelation, Crackle with Power, Banefire, Finale of Promise, Red Sun's Zenith, Seething Song, Mindsplice Apparatus, Primal Amulet  ^Flip, The Magic Mirror, Twinning Staff, Thousand-Year Storm, Double Vision, City on Fire, Ral, Storm Conduit, Riptide Laboratory, Temple of Epiphany, Cascade Bluffs, Stormcarved Coast, Scalding Tarn, Fiery Islet, Spirebluff Canal, Training Center, Reflecting Pool, and Plaza of Heroes

scotchtapedsleeves on

2 years ago

Icbrgr Cycling lands are definitely not your friend unless there's some other interaction.

With that in mind I'd take out: Desert of the Fervent Desert of the Mindful Blasted Landscape Smoldering Crater Remote Isle Forgotten Cave

Could replace those with: Training Center Silverbluff Bridge Cascade Bluffs Riverglide Pathway  ^Flip Spirebluff Canal Sulfur Falls Steam Vents Shivan Reef Stormcarved Coast

Storm the Vault  ^Flip is another card that looks fun.

Generally I'd be wary of including too many tap lands. Better to have a basic land that you can tap that turn than a land that enters tapped that you have to wait for. Basics are your friend!

The_Warleader on Optimus Prime Rolls Out!

2 years ago

Cool deck! =)

Lightning greaves is typically going to be much better unless you need to target your own creatures (which you don't have too much need of, aside from modular triggers). I would personally cut the Saheeli - you might not know this as a returning player but planeswalkers without any dedicated support aren't typically worth running in commander unless they have an immediate impact on the game (something like Ugin, the Spirit Dragon for example ). They're just too easy to remove in multiplayer games and are especially difficult to ultimate.

To go back to the discussion of lands - I totally agree with multimedia. If you can afford it, you should definitely include fetch lands to show off those awesome dual lands you have! Here are some auto-includes for my 3-color commander decks that I don't believe were mentioned:

Battlebond lands - Spectator Seating , Training Center , and Sea of Clouds basically regular dual lands in commander

Reflecting Pool is very potent in 3-4 color decks and isn't too expensive

Triomes - so Raugrin Triome is all three of your land types to help your buddy lands come in untapped. Is searchable with fetch lands and can cycle in a pinch.

And don't forget your lands can offer utility! Buried Ruin , Inventors' Fair , Slayers' Stronghold / Hanweir Battlements  ^Meld , Spinerock Knoll / Windbrisk Heights , Academy Ruins (though that one is pretty expensive).

Anyway, I hope this helps and hope you are enjoying playing Magic with your friends again!

The_Warleader on Brewing gross poisons

2 years ago

The Battlebond lands (such as Training Center ) are usually an auto-include for me and aren't too expensive (around 6-12 dollars each) and basically function as regular dual lands in EDH. You could use those instead of the fetch lands.

You aren't running a Command Tower.

Reflecting Pool is another powerful option (especially in 3-4 color decks) that isn't too expensive since it's been reprinted several times.

I wouldn't run Prismatic Vista at all even if you had the budget for it - there's just no reason to be fetching basics unless you're trying to fill your graveyard/or have important landfall triggers, etc. The same logic applies to the panoramas and Evolving Wilds, however if you are on a budget then it makes sense to include those as they're dirt cheap.

Another auto-include for me are buddy lands (e.g. Woodland Cemetery. They should work very well since you already have triomes and honestly they usually work fine even if you're running a lot of basics.

Temples are good but enter tapped ( Temple of Malice )

Exotic Orchard is quite cheap and is a staple in 4-5 color decks because you're almost guarenteed to get 2+ colors out of it.

If you're still looking for a lower budget, I would include the Battle Lands (e.g. Smoldering Marsh ) and just keep lots of basics and basic-fetches.

As for tutoring options - there are no good budget options really. Tutor's are often quite expensive because of their extensive use and the fact that most were printed early on in Magic's history. But you could go for the worse tutors like Diabolic Tutor and Increasing Ambition. Or Solve the Equation to look for spells that will target your Venerated Rotpriest.

Hope this helps!

Spirits on

2 years ago

Hey Zorke,

Ok based on your comment about the combo, I'm basing these recommendations on a:

Tuned tier - Power level 5 (6 usually has a combo) - Win before Turn 14 - "Upgraded Precon". Visual Guide to Power Levels in EDH.

-- Land Base -- Prioritize untapped, Mana colors, Target 33: +Shivan Reef -Island +Yavimaya Coast -Forest +City of Brass -Aether Hub +Mana Confluence -Mountain Valley +Riverglide Pathway  ^Flip -Simic Growth Chamber +Rootbound Crag -Mountain +Hinterland Harbor -Forest +Sulfur Falls -Mountain +Rejuvenating Springs -Path of Ancestry +Training Center -Rogue's Passage +Spire Garden -Ancient Ziggurat +Boseiju, Who Endures -Island

--Ramp-- Creature preferred +Birds of Paradise -Thought Vessel +Three Visits -Heraldic Banner +The Great Henge -Gilded Lotus (Also important for draw) +Farseek -Harvest Season

--Morph-- +Kadena's Silencer -Stuffy Doll +Icefeather Aven -Keep Safe (Morph flavor) +Echo Tracer -Omnath, Locus of Mana (Morph flavor) +Mistfire Weaver -Forsaken Monument (Morph flavor) +Jeering Instigator -Shaleskin Plower (Morph flavor less salt)

--Draw-- +Fathom Seer -Zendikar Resurgent +Temur Ascendancy -Tomb of the Spirit Dragon +Tishana, Voice of Thunder -Ashcloud Phoenix +Guardian Project -Tidespout Tyrant +Toski, Bearer of Secrets -Fabricate +Garruk's Uprising -Creeping Renaissance

--Offense other than Animar-- +Garruk's Horde -Forest +Artisan of Kozilek -Island +Bane of Bala Ged -Trophy Mage (Pulls 1 unneeded artifact!) +Shrieking Drake -Temur Sabertooth (Non-Infinite Ancestral Statue) +Decimator of the Provinces -Temur War Shaman

--Control-- +Beast Within -Fog

I've left out some salty card for this power level: Cyclonic Rift Ancestral Statue Craterhoof Behemoth Rhystic Study Mystic Remora Dockside Extortionist

Special mention (would need to playtest): Secret Plans (Draw) Solemn Simulacrum (Ramp & Draw) Mulldrifter (Draw) Trail of Mystery (Ramp) Rhythm of the Wild (Don't think you'll see heavy counterspell in power 5)

Could go more {G} less {R} if needed Theres other stuff I didn't suggest because of the morph theme, like Cloud of Faeries, Hullbreaker Horror, Fierce Empath etc.

Hopefully you find some useful ideas here.

Spirits on

2 years ago

Hey Zorke,

I have a Budget Animar deck built around morph.

Couple questions, first is what is the goal of the deck? Briefly looking, seems to be a Tuned (Mid) 5 or 6 deck, is your goal to stay around that or looking to build towards an Optimed (High) 7 or 8? It really will change what the recommendations are in terms of Land Base / Ramp Efficiency / Combo / Mana-Curve.

The obvious missing card here is Ancestral Statue. With Animar, Soul of Elements at 4 counters, he can make an infinitely large general just by repeatedly bouncing Ancestral Statue with itself. It also contributes to the infinite ETB triggers for things like Beast Whisperer and Purphoros, God of the Forge as examples. You have some non-morph in there, so I'm not sure its a flavor exclude, but maybe a no-combo exclude?

Keep in mind too that although Animar, Soul of Elements discounts the casting cost to play the morph face down, however, he doesn't discount the morph cost to flip them back up, so you have to selective on the morphs you choose, otherwise you lose the ability to activate their morph abilities.

There are some noteable ramp creatures missings, Birds of Paradise for sure, flying/ramp/animar counter, checks lots of boxes. Solemn Simulacrum can be decent ramp, he sticks with a 5/6 theme a bit tougher to find space in a 7/8 if that is the goal. Peregrine Drake is another notable ramp createure.

Heraldic Banner is a bit strange, name {G} by volume, or {U} for a majority of the flyers? I'm not sure. Something like Ornithopter of Paradise feels better even without haste/riot.

Dunno why Stuffy Doll would be in here, he needs either a Blazing Sunsteel or Ill-Tempered Loner  ^Flip to elminate a single opponent, so no highly efficient. You dont really have a way to retarget him either, even with a Blazing Sunsteel would need more creatures like Icefeather Aven or Echo Tracer. Not recommending, just saying without more bounce he just wasting a spot.

Aether Hub just seems like a bad City of Brass or Mana Confluence. There a lots of lands that would improve your deck, commander lands like Rejuvenating Springs/Training Center or fetch lands like Misty Rainforest/Wooded Foothills.

Unless Tidespout Tyrant is a favorite or something, his CMC is ridiculous and shouldn't be in there, Animar, Soul of Elements can't pay the {U}{U}{U}.

Keep Safe isn't a modular counterspell. Just a plain Counterspell would be better. Depending on power level, there are 0 mana counterspells, 1 mana counterspells, and good 2 mana counterspells. Also, don't forget you have your morphs with counterspells.

Shaleskin Plower is a good example of a heavy morph cost, for an ability you dont really need.

Gilded Lotus isn't reduced by the general counters, not sure why we would want it.

Have lots more ideas, just need a deck goal point of reference to give some better recommendations.