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Temple of Malice
This enters the battlefield tapped.
When this enters the battlefield, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
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3 months ago
You can reduce costs on your lands by cutting shocks and bad lands like Crumbling Necropolis for other decent dual lands. Here are some of my suggestions:
Painlands: Shivan Reef
Slowlands: Shipwreck Marsh, Haunted Ridge, Stormcarved Coast
Temple lands: Temple of Malice, Temple of Epiphany
Of course, if you can afford them I'd keep in as many shocks as possible, but crumbling necropolis isn't great. I removed brackets around some of the lands because I ran out of suggestion space.
Harmless Offering is only good if you have something to donate, which is why I suggest going down to 3 at most. In my version I actually only play two, which I doesn't really make sense until I introduce my next card suggestion...
Teferi's Time Twist: This card definitely requires a bit more of a build around, but my deck ran 3. Why is it so good? We can use it to reuse our Demonic Pact at instant speed, which means we now have 5 cards that prevent us from losing to pact. This means it gives us a 4 CA swing + 4 life + removes something for only 2 mana. It also synergizes well with other cards like Phyrexian Scriptures and Snapcaster Mage (although the latter is pretty expensive).
Abyssal Persecutor isn't good enough, in my opinion. The ceiling is only a 2BB 6/6 flyer, and the plan of reducing your opponent to 0 life and then destroying/donating it seems pretty dubious. And if you donate it to your opponent ahead of time, they have tons of ways to answer it, such as removing it themselves or sacrificing it. Removing Persecutors would help to focus your deck a bit.
In general, I'd say you have too much dig and tutors and not enough control pieces.
3-4x Counterspell seems like a no-brainer. Yes, it is slightly harder on the mana than Mana Leak, but it is just so much better. It's also not that expensive (unlike Cryptic or Charm).
Drown in the Loch is a very good removal spell and counterspell in modern for any UBx deck, I'd run at least three of these as well. Drown and CS let you also cut Mana Leak.
Removal and Sweepers
Terminate is a decent card, but not super efficient and efficiency is important. Lightning Bolt is a staple removal spell, and also gives you an alternate win condition of burning them out with Demonic Pact, flickering pact multiple times, and bolts to the face. It's rare but it has come in handy for me before.
Fatal Push is another one that's worth a few spots. Remember, if you run Drown you don't need as much other removal.
I do honestly like Radiant Flames in this deck, I've run some in my pioneer version for a while. Straight Damnation may be better, but Flames lets you curve out into Pact.
Duress is not good. Thoughtseize is really expensive, but Inquisition of Kozilek is quite affordable, a great card, and also just a really good modern staple in general. I'd pick up 4 for sure. You frequently want to take cards with 0-3 cmc anyways, and the life loss on Thoughtseize hurts.
Tutors and Dig
Expressive Iteration is modern's premier card advantage spell right now. While it isn't always great with counterspells, you can frequently exile a removal spell or a pact or something else to cast on your turn. I would cut the other dig/draw spells for more of these.
Painful Truths is honestly not bad. It may be better to relegate 1-2 †o the sideboard for slower, grindier matchups, but it seems too slow for the maindeck. Dark Petition seems ok but I don't think it's good enough either.
Memory Deluge is a great instant speed dig spell for any control deck. I'd replace the Petitions and stuff with these. You shouldn't need any dig past EI and Deluge.
I do like the idea of Persecutor as an additional win condition that wins through combat damage, but something less combo oriented seems better to me. My pioneer deck ran 2 Sprite Dragons along with some Bloodthirsty Adversary in the side to be able to win through combat. Murktide would be a good choice for an alternate wincon but it's pretty expensive. I think Sprite Dragon or maybe Dragon's Rage Channeler may be decent sideboard choices for this role.
4 months ago
5 months ago
Hey, good start and budget Vampire version of Olivia.
Consider getting the Crimson Vow Vampiric Bloodline Commander precon? The precon would be a fine start at upgrading your Vampires and has many staple cards for Commander such as Command Tower and Arcane Signet. What all precons lack however is a good basic casual Commander deck structure to start a deck with:
- 36 lands (Command Tower)
- 25+ creatures (Necropolis Regent)
- 10+ ramp sources (Arcane Signet)
- 10+ draw sources (Champion of Dusk)
- 10- removal (Anowon, the Ruin Sage)
Not all areas of a deck are covered in this structure example just the basics and of course these numbers can change as you're deck building. Some cards can cover many areas which is what you really want with cards you choose to play especially in this case Vampires.
Vampire upgrades in Vampiric Bloodline: Patron of the Vein, Necropolis Regent, Anowon, the Ruin Sage, Champion of Dusk, Butcher of Malakir, Crossway Troublemakers, Stromkirk Captain, Sanctum Seeker, Cordial Vampire, Rakish Heir, Indulgent Aristocrat, Malakir Bloodwitch, Bloodtracker, Vampire Nighthawk, Falkenrath Noble, Blood Artist.
Other good nonVampire cards in Vampiric Bloodline: Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, Command Tower, Olivia's Wrath, Vandalblast, Stensia Masquerade, Swiftfoot Boots, Rakdos Signet, Blasphemous Act, Feed the Swarm, Rakdos Charm, Night's Whisper, Commander's Sphere, Tainted Peak, Unclaimed Territory, Exotic Orchard, Path of Ancestry, Smoldering Marsh, Foreboding Ruins, Shadowblood Ridge, Temple of Malice.
Of course you don't have to get the precon, but in doing so you get a lot of cards at one time. I listed many cards that would be upgrades to pick and choose from if you would rather do that, if at all. If interested I offer more advice in another comment.
Good luck with your deck.
6 months ago
EJ!! Let's do this! This build is already tight, but here are my thoughts\suggestions...
Cards I'd consider cutting: Seize the Spoils, Reckless Endeavor, Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast, Poison the Cup, Vengeful Reaper, Dream Devourer, Replicating Ring, Ward of Bones, Darksteel Forge, the flip tibalt guy, Ash Barrens, Cryptic Caves, Darksteel Citadel, Foreboding Ruins, Mortuary Mire, Zhalfirin Void
Cards I'd consider adding: Light Up the Stage, Chaos Wand, You Find Some Prisoners, Reckless Fireweaver, Valakut Exploration, Rakdos Charm, Murderous Rider, Praetor's Grasp, Rakdos Signet, Bojuka Bog, Luxury Suite, Blood Crypt, Haunted Ridge, Smoldering Marsh, Dragonskull Summit, Bloodstained Mire, Temple of Malice
I would also suggest swapping Red Elemental Blast for Pyroclasm... seems silly, but pyroclasm can be cast even if there are no blue targets. So may not be relevant, but could be randomly at some point.
9 months ago
Hey, well done so far on a budget.
Some advice to consider is how to improve the manabase on a budget.
- Command Tower: staple land for two or more colored Commander decks.
- Exotic Orchard: staple land when playing three or more colors in multiplayer Commander
- Path of Ancestry: can make any color of mana.
These three lands are called Rainbow lands. Crumbling Necropolis is the Grixis Tri land, it can make any one color of mana you need.
These are budget Fetch lands to search for any basic land.
These two are Tango lands which care about lots of basic lands.
These are Reveal lands that also care about basic lands and have interaction with Tango lands.
Some lands to consider cutting:
- Temple of the False God: will not be able to tap for mana until your turn five or after since you're counting on only land drops to get to five or more lands.
- Dimir Guildgate, Izzet Guildgate and Rakdos Guildgate
- Some basic lands
Updated budget manabase example (38 lands, 24 blue mana sources, 21 black, 20 red):
- 9x Island
- 5x Swamp
- 5x Mountain
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Path of Ancestry
- Crumbling Necropolis
- Grixis Panorama
- Ash Barrens
- Evolving Wilds
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Shivan Reef
- Sunken Hollow
- Smoldering Marsh
- Frostboil Snarl
- Choked Estuary
- Foreboding Ruins
- Darkwater Catacombs
- Shadowblood Ridge
- Temple of Deceit
- Temple of Epiphany
- Temple of Malice
Good luck with your deck.
9 months ago
There are some better budget lands than the ones you are currently running. I've put parentheses around some that aren't quite as cheap and bolded the ones that are definitely in your price range.
10 months ago
Are you still working on your mana base?
11 months ago
Play Test Update 1
Finally got chance to play the deck in person! Learned a few things about the deck that were useful, and important too.
list text hereThe deck is fun to play! I think this is the most important thing. got three games out of it and found I enjoyed both winning and losing because of the interactions in the deck.
The manabase was inconsistent and too slow. There were way too many tapped lands in the deck, and some that I thought were useful such as the Ravnica Karoos were simply too slow and too much of a tempo loss. In a deck that wants tempo, this is not a good thing.
Signets are not ramp. Got Boros Signet in hand more than once, and it felt bad every time. It, just like the Karoos is too slow, and really isnt the kind of ramp this deck wants.
With these lessons learned, I made some quick changes to the deck.
Rakdos Carnarium Too slow, too much of a tempo loss.
Boros Garrison See previous.
Boros Signet Too slow to be real ramp, not what the decks needs.
Ur-Golem's Eye Too little impact for too high a cost. Need more coloured mana for a lower cost.
Shambling Vent Ugh. Got this out twice and I hated how slow it was. It never felt good in hand, and I never wanted to see it. I'd rather have had a basic.
Reliquary Tower Never needed to worry about hand size, don't need a colourless source.
Temple of Malice A fairly tough cut to be honest. I actually found the Scry really rather useful, but needed to balance the colours more, so off it went.
Springleaf Drum Something to do with the tokens I can create, or use creatures to help cast others.
Path of Ancestry Mana fixing, and a little extra filtering too.
4 x Plains PUre and simple, the deck needed more basics! This also allowed me to balance the colours better too.
Cannot wait to play this deck again, it's really good fun to play even if it is a blatantly sub-optimal strategy in EDH.