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Seething Song Discussion
1 week ago
God Tribal, I'd totally take the Golos-Tree path. I REALLY recommend using Chromatic Lantern to help activate Tree(in most other cases I find it pretty meh, but it's great here).
My recommended Golos plan is:
Rituals, such as Dark Ritual, Simian Spirit Guide, and Rite of Flame are good for running out Golos. Seething Song is amazing here, as it reads '3-mana golos'. Jeweled Lotus is great if you have the cash.
At this point, you're probably at an impressive 30-40 ramp spells.
You'd then include a variety of Gods. I'd recommend a package something like this:
Alternatively, you can use Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded to give all your Gods haste and kill people with hastey slaps.
1 week ago
Peli, Rift Ritualist
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard Shaman
When Peli, Rift Ritualist enters the battlefield, add and Peli, Rift Ritualist deals 3 damage to you.
At the end of your turn, sacrifice two Mountains. If you don't, Peli, Rift Ritualist deals 3 damage to you.
I don't know if this card is balanced, but BURN!
2 weeks ago
I love the deck idea. Getting bonus value for playing spells through stuff like Cascade or Sunbird's Invocation is one of my favorite things to do in EDH. Right now you have 2 copies of Mind's Dilation in the list, so you could replace it with something like Manamorphose or Seething Song for when you're storming off with Thousand-Year Storm. Mind's Desire is another fun storm card which doesn't necessarily guarantee a win, but will give you a bunch of spells to cast for free.
3 weeks ago
Yeah Doublecast I don’t like, it’s a sorcery (yuk) can’t even integrate in while combining, Fork feels better. Twinning Staff good because your already focusing around Spell Copy synergy, doubt you’ll ever use it’s activated ability. Fury Storm good in a Spell Copy variant is RR with 2 Experience, if it’s copying itself like 3 times though something really going strange in the game lol that you’ve cast Mizz that much, so expect itself and 1 copy most of the time!
Gilded Lotus is ok with Dramatic Reversal if you can get it off a Seething Song or something. Mana Crypt not necessary at all in EDH, if you want to enter cEDH probably will need including the free counters, but you can be high power easily without them for sure!
I’m worried you’ll have hands with like 4 copy spells, but no spell to copy lol. Or like 3 draw X spells and nothing to build experience.
Tezzeret's Gambit I’ve enjoyed, gets me the Experience (2) that I need to start most Reiterate combos. Like a Turnabout puts one on the stack and an in response Reiterate puts the 4th as an example, plus can put a counterspell or something in my hand as well.
Looking good though!
3 weeks ago
EDHrec is also a good resource, it has an "expensive" filter now, but if you leave it unfiltered, can help to find some surprisingly good cards with a low $ value that people are playing. There is also a "cheap" filter.
EDH is really a fun format, I have 1 modern, 2 pioneer decks, 2 cEDH decks, 2 EDH decks, 4 $50 budget EDH, and 0 standard decks! I do play standard on Arena though (4 standard, 3 brawl).
In EDH, little damage like Guttersnipe puts out isn't usually that useful unless your adding into a combo, which it can a recursive Turnabout + Reiterate will kill, but it really lends itself to better payoffs like a Fall of the Titans, Comet Storm, Whispers of the Muse, Stroke of Genius type effects that also build your Experience. I run 8 creatures and 1 enchantment, which is also pretty high, If I wasn't running Dualcaster Mage + Twinflame I would also exclude Imperial Recruiter and Vedalken AEthermage reducing my count to 5. Probably 4/5 creatures / 1 planeswalker / 2/3 enchantments is probably the right mix though honestly if you can build within that framework.
I playtested your deck a bit Flux Channeler worked well, Inexorable Tide was a little to high CMC for me. The issue I had was that until Mizzix of the Izmagnus has generated an Experience I had nothing to propagate, so getting an early Experience will be important which means stuff like Desperate Ritual, High Tide, Pyretic Ritual, Seething Song mostly. Going to need some protection either 1 or 2 CMC counterspells (the 2 CMC ones are still reasonably priced, 0/1 are not). Lightning Greaves is an obvious one, that can be tutored with a Muddle the Mixture but it's getting expensive now too (wtf).
I also found with the propogate that I got up to 8 counters, which isn't really necessary, because honestly 3/4 counters allows you to go infinite with many things (like Reiterate). Niv-Mizzet, Parun looks to be a pain to cast, he's nice, but almost unplayable here.
This thing tested like molasses Empowered Autogenerator, I would avoid that, lots of cheap CMC2/3 mana accelrators, plus all the ones I listed above.
Once you decide on a payoff goal, i think you'll see the deck rounding out. Lots of easy cuts in the above list to get down to 120 cards, probably about 10 you need to add into the mix, so putting into a cut for 130 list.
3 weeks ago
Still a bit of a rough list, so difficult to make specific card recs but though I would share some experience. I bought the pre-built deck when it came out, and recently did an entire break-down and rebuilt.
Looks like you've got a focus around the proliferate synergies, so I would build around that as a start. The trouble I had was that there are so many (too many) possible combos you can use, and a few different strategies. I've never specifically seen proliferate (X, Wheel, Turns, Wizards) or what I play Storm (without really using storm cards).
Creatures don't build experience counters, so I would be strategic with the purpose of a creature. Ones with limited payoff like Thermo-Alchemist/Guttersnipe (what are you repeatedly casting to win with them, usually in Mizz is infinite mana which leverages a draw library or X spell payoff) or high cost Charmbreaker Devils/Melek, Izzet Paragon will hurt when drawn unless your utilizing for a specific purpose.
Aetherflux Reservoir is the right type of card, but it's tough to get in Izzet (). Whir of Invention/Intuition/Reshape/Etc. I found that if your building your storm count (it's usually drawing library or mana) so it's unnecessary. Similar finishers like Sphinx-Bone Wand have the same challenge, would prefer a Fall of the Titans or a Enter the Infinite in most cases. Ral, Storm Conduit has better payoff with similar function.
Your going to be quite slow with so many tapped lands, plus you have many turn 1 draw payoffs in blue (cantrips), so having T1/T2 mana up is key. Izzet Boilerworks can make infinite mana pretty easily, but outside of that see where you can trim. I'm not sure you need to many Cycling lands either, in Mizz, you generally want to play your lands, the tradeoff will be that early in the game your mana is coming in tapped, but later in the game you can cycle away bad land draws. If your going for mid-range over combo, you'll likely need much more removal/counter/sweepers, if your just want cast large spells, maybe Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge would be a better commander selection for the added tutors. Lands really to break the budget though, I understand, Steam Vents will be critical though, and Fiery Islet is ok priced still.
I like the Flux Channeler I've considered him so many times, because he can build your Experience so Mizzix of the Izmagnus can stay protected in the command zone, and have immediate impact (when played unprotected).
You have Bonus Round, could build some interaction with it, like Seething Song + Reiterate or Frantic Search + Narset's Reversal or Dramatic Reversal + Narset's Reversal, etc. Not sure if you've ever used Commander Spellbook but just enter Bonus Round, and click the , , to filter the list.
Not sure what the Sideboard cards are, using as a intermediary cut list?
I also playtested the Curious Homunculus Flip/Goblin Electromancer types, Baral, Chief of Compliance was good, I would avoid the others, most of the time, I would prefer them to be spells to build the Experience count while providing an ability as well (like draw).
I assume Trinket Mage/etc. are pulling in the mana rocks, but they are only useful if your at a mana/experience level to activate. Trophy Mage for Twinning Staff? Needs a Dramatic Reversal in that case.
Jace's Sanctum doesn't build experience count, it's high CMC for the same ability, I would avoid this type of ability at this cost.
Your 405 Avg CMC is pretty high, you'll have similar challenges that other mid-range has is some games your going to draw hands of cards you'll never be able to play, again depends on your playgroups, but you may find some games it feels like you "do nothing" before the game closes out. I would cut some high CMC cards, bring that down at least below CMC 3, utilize the high CMC cards for win, and try and make then instant/sorcery where you can to get the experience benefit.
I would pick a couple win cons like Bonus Round or Enter the Infinite or Beacon of Tomorrows of something more classic like a Fall of the Titans or Stroke of Genius and build a core around them, that will help you solidify a good 70 card core, then add your mana accelerators and cantrips around them, and bet your at 80 cards and might help make some cuts easy.
Feel free to comment me back, happy to look again once it's paired a bit, or assist with honing in if you have a clear Game-Winning vision that you want to go with?
Good start. +1.
1 month ago
So it's been testing turn 6-8 as-is, seems a bit slow, mostly because of the need to have Mizzix of the Izmagnus on board to facilitate several combos.
Also having a mana issue (I wouldn't have thought), as all the ramp e.g. Seething Song give me .
It's been suggested (Thanks to zobbe#5625 on discord) that Thassa's Oracle isn't necessary because if we mill our entire library, it's probably a win for us anyway within thinks like Past in Flames or an Underworld Breach. So I'm working on getting one to test, update coming soon. Probably needs a Wheel of Fortune to support it.
More to come as testing goes. I'll make some hard changes here pretty soon as well.
1 month ago
Hey there! Some ramp you may want to consider are Commander's Sphere, Dockside Extortionist, Extraplanar Lens, Geosurge, Irencrag Feat, (If you can afford it maybe a Jeweled Lotus for Chandra?) Lotus Petal, Mana Flare, Mind Stone, Seething Song, Simian Spirit Guide, and especially Treasonous Ogre. I also find that including a Crystal Vein/Dwarven Ruins can be super beneficial, as would a Strip Mine/Wasteland!! Ramp is super important, and even if some of these don't work for you, I think some of them could definitely be switched in for some stuff you have now! Hope this helps, and have a great day!!