Finale of Promise
You may cast up to one target instant card and/or up to one target sorcery card from you graveyard each with converted mana cost X or less without paying their mana costs. If a card cast this way would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead. If X is 10 or more, copy each of those spells twice. You may choose new targets for the copies.
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Finale of Promise Discussion
1 month ago
It is up to you. You already acknowledge it's not an optimized play. But if its fun for you and you like it, then keep it in.
I don't know if I would bother adding more support for it though. It is still a secondary win condition for this deck.
It may have a home in it's own deck...built around using your opponent's cards and creatures to win.
1 month ago
I am all for using fun or flavorful combos instead of just building a perfect "I win every game" deck.You have to first decide how much you like the janky combo of Finale of Promise and Shaman's Trance. Is it more important than your main win condition? Is it important enough to fill the deck with cards that support it?
The honest truth is, if you like the combo then keep it in. The hard part is deciding how much or how little to support it. Every card you add just to fill your graveyard with instants and sorceries could instead just be a card that advances your main win condition.
If I put an alternate win condition in a deck, and it's janky or just for fun, I generally won't put any cards in to support it. If it goes off, yay for me. If it doesn't, I still have my main win condition and my main strategy happening anyways.
1 month ago
Thanks for the suggestion MagicMarc I'll do that. I saw that the rats and dwarves wouldn't work with succession. That's too bad about the thrumming stone, but I see what you're saying. I thought about using it with mortuary and something like Plaguecrafter, but I don't know if that would work either now.
Could I also get your opinion on the Finale of Promise and Shaman's Trance combination? I decided that I really can't deny the flavor of th trance, even though it's hot garbage. I don't want to only be using it as an interrupt though, or having to rely on my opponent having flashback or escape cards i can play that turn, that's why I made that jank. It's not optimal, but it's basically throwing cards into my grave with an Underrealm Lich or cycling a Decree of Pain, then just making things explode. I thought it would be cool if it worked with Sins of the Past too, but I feel like I should bring that to a rules board.
1 month ago
Decklist: Sek'Kuar, Shamankeeper
Hello everyone, this is my first post. I'm looking for some advice on a few of my combos in my Sek'kuar the deathkeeper edh deck. It's my first edh deck and the first time i've built singleton as well, so i hope to gain some insight from some more experienced deckbuilders.
First of all, it's shaman tribal, and i have most of my creature slots handled. My main combo in the deck is Mortuary coupled with Verdant Succession. Together, those two can get me infinite if I have my commander or Judith, the Scourge Diva and any green creature if it sacs itself, which shamans are good at. I think this one is solid, but i'd like a second opinion if anyone can see a flaw i can't.
That's my main win combo, but i have a blow your top off style combo for the win as well. This one i'm mainly focused on instants and sorceries being in my graveyard. It involves Finale of Promise and a Shaman's Trance, as well as two valid targets in my graveyard to cast, or yours. This one i'm more concerned about, and I'm juggling several spells to include. Right now I have Sins of the Past and Decree of Pain as well as Searing Wind and Haunting Hymn in the instants pile. Also considering Worst Fears and Wit's End.
The idea with this is to either use an emergence zone to do it on my opponents turn or to do it on my main phase, thats why I thought the hymn would be good. The Sins of the Past is a questionable replacement for a Yawgmoth's Will, but if I copy it with the finale, I could target multiple spells in everyone's graveyard with it, correct? Idk though, it feels janky. If anyone has some streamlining suggestions for either win condition I'd really appreciate it, thanks.
Also: whenever I try to link my commanders card it pops up with decklists. He gives 3/1 graveborn tokens with haste when nontoken creatures die in case anyone doesn't know. Hence why the Mortuary combo would be so effective, since they can't really stop all the sac triggers. At least, i dont think it can be interfered with really. I'm just getting back into magic after a four or five year break, so sorry if I seem especially dumb rn.
1 month ago
Bonus Combo of Week 09072020
Not a great combo but it leads to some very fun synergy plays.
There isn't really a very interesting interaction between these two cards specifically, but there is a fun thing you can do: since Chandra wants you to pay all the costs with her -2, you can cast Finale of Promise with something actually going into X. Also both of them are really good with creatures with prowess (Monastery Swiftspear) because they both already trigger prowess obviously, but Finale will trigger it three times because it counts as casting when you cast them from your graveyard. The same is true for Chandra's ability.
2 months ago
Some things that I've run into playing Mizzix for years. You choose your path, but free and x costs don't mix. Things like Finale of Promise and Epic Experiment are cool, but suck if you only have/reveal Pull from Tomorrow and Electrodominance. And just suggestions, Vandalblast instead of shattering spree and cramming Past in Flames in there somewhere.
2 months ago
Yeah, sucks to see Finale of Promise so low for me. That used to be bank.
4 months ago
Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is an appreciable commander in her own right and would be good to add as a budget option (vs Liliana of the Veil), or even as a supplementary inclusion to increase your Liliana-related flavor. There would be a lack of consistency getting her flip ability to trigger, but her planeswalker abilities are quite good. In a deck focused on mass-discarding, your opponents are bound to have dropped some goodies (large creatures) from their cookie basket (hand) into to the lost-and-found pile (graveyard) for you to make better use of (steal). Flip Lili offers you some useful role compression; the discard ability should always be relevant, and you can attempt to revive a target previously pitched, all in one card.
Getting Liliana to actually flip would be inconsistent at best, but that brings me to my second point: your list lacks any on-demand sacrifice outlets. Even if you don't have robust reanimation capabilities, effects like Soldevi Adnate are severely underrated in mono-black lists, and at the very least, give you the ability to control when and how your creatures leave the battlefield. If for nothing else, consider adding a single sac outlet to use as protection/security for your commander. I suspect Tinybones will be THE target your opponents would want to steal from you; having this extra layer security can prevent quite arguably your greatest asset from being used against you.
I mentioned previously the notion that reanimating things from other opponent's graveyards is something to keep in mind when you're constantly forcing the whole table to discard. I've played a Chainer, Dementia Master list for over a year and a half now, and in it I make use of cards like Anvil of Bogardan, Opression, and Mesmeric Orb to accelerate my own reanimation gameplan while providing the opportunity to cherry-pick useful creatures my opponents discard. While those effects should, in general, be asymmetrically beneficial to you as the controller, in my experience there are SIGNIFICANTLY more graveyard-focused decks out in the field when compared to a few years ago. These days, even decks that aren't purely graveyard-focused more commonly include cards that gain advantage off of incidental discarding (Eternal Witness, Finale of Promise, etc.)
So, if you include cards that force the table to discard, you are inherently exposing yourself to the fact that an opponent can stand to benefit from the action of discarding as much as you will. Respect the ability of your opponents' decks to make use of their own graveyards at some level, and try to make sure you pack several pieces of graveyard hate in order to tip the balance behind your discard effects back into your favor. Yes, you should be packing more grave hate than just Bojuka Bog.
If you do end up going heavier on the reanimation spells, try and limit yourself to opponent-only graveyard removal that you can activate at instant speed. Since you're not really touching your own graveyard all that much, my single best suggestion for your current list would be Scavenger Grounds as it only takes up a land slot and can still be used at instant speed. In the future, if you continue to prioritize discard-related effects over graveyard reanimation consider Leyline of the Void for a proactive approach, or Tymaret, Chosen from Death/Withered Wretch to act as a graveyard gatekeeper.
As a final suggestion, consider adding in a little bit more ramp into your list. Never hurts to have more mana ramp when your endgame itself is based on assembling a combo utilizing semi-expensive cards like Magus of the Coffers. Wayfarer's Bauble specifically plays nicely with Black's preference for Swamp-based ramp on the cheap. It's lowkey, and yet very capable. Extraplanar Lens is a noteworthy, low to the ground mana doubler that I don't see in your list already; consider a proxy for it as it may not even be necessary given the low curve of this list in general.
Your deck seems very approachable while still being very capable in quickly assembling your payoffs and enablers. I hope some of my suggestions have been useful! But even if you disagree with what I suggest, just know that despite how innocent and charming of a tiny distraction your commander may appear, it will always just be one big nuisance.