Sea of Clouds

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Sea of Clouds

Land

This enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.

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legendofa on Post Power Level Public Play

1 week ago

Tl;dr: It costs nothing but a few minutes to communicate before a match, and that can resolve so many problems before they come up.

TypicalTimmy I dunno, when I play a 48-hour game I consider that a marathon session, not a typical game night. (I know what you meant.)

But I agree, with a slight tweak. I've never been good at directly evaluating a deck at a glance beyond "How much is the mana base worth and how many win conditions does it have?" I count turns until win/lock (being just a little bit of a dirty staxxer) and the amount of interaction I use. If my deck is jam-packed with redundancies, draw, mana ramp, etc., but no removal or protection, it doesn't matter if it goldfish-wins turn 3 every time. It's going to fold to a single Sea of Clouds. So, eyeballing and estimating when the best time to slow down and consider the board should also be part of it.

The surest way to know the power level of a deck is to use it in live play. If you genuinely can't estimate, try it against a group of decks of known and similar power and see how well it does. As a courtesy, say that upfront: "This is going to be a playtest round for me. I'm still feeling out how good this deck is."

As far as budget, that's highly subjective, and I don't think there can be any universal definition without being both arbitrary and exclusionary. Some people consider $10 for a card to be budget. Others will consider that too high. Is $500 for a deck budget? If highly competitive, that's low to the point of unable to compete. If it's for Saturday night pizza, that might be several times the next highest.

I have to admit, I haven't played a round of EDH in person for a couple of years now (and I miss that, and I want to go back to it). In person, I'm very willing to spend a few minutes discussing decks pre-match. If there's no time constraints, take the time to discuss expected match length, infinite combos, non-deterministic combos (the ones that lead to half an hour of shuffling or whatever), non-threats, alliances and agreements, and general power level. At minimum, ask about expected match length; if someone expects a three-turn win/lock and someone else is looking for turn eight, it's time to reevaluate. I get suspicious when some one says "Let's just play and you'll see." That's either going to be hypercompetitve, total jank, or something that takes an hour to resolve and is completely interaction-proof. And as I write this after reading berryjon's article, I realize those are the toxic ends of the player psychographics.

As you stay with a group long enough, you'll be able to skip the introductions and dive right in. If you admit a new person, or if you are the new person, please lay out the expectations and be willing to adjust a little. You shouldn't need to completely reset your group dynamics every time someone shows up, but help new people understand what's going on, and be prepared to accommodate.

AstroAA on Should I Keep Luminarch Ascension …

2 months ago

Luminarch Ascension is just slow. I used to run it in my Sythis, Harvest's Hand enchantress prison deck as a backup method to get beaters out, and most of the time I'd play it and it'd just sit there as I'd use my mana for other things. It's not worth it most of the time.

I do not know why you aren't already running Esper Sentinel. In your deck you're running a bunch of anthems, and Esper Sentinel can easily draw you a ridiculous amount of cards rather quickly if his tax gets up to 4~5 mana. He's easily one of the best white cards in Magic, and your deck seems likely to support him. Plus he's only one mana, and you have an absolutely ridiculous CMC of 3.87 with only seven mana rocks - two of which are 4+ CMC.

My advice? Fuck Smothering Tithe. I personally think the card is overrated and is one of the most "kill on sight" cards in Magic. A quarter of the time you play it and it's countered. Another quarter of the time you play it and it gets blown up immediately. Another quarter of the time you play it and it does nothing. The last quarter of the time it does something. If you wanted to play some cheaper "kill on sight" cards to bait out counter magic and kill spells, Food Chain, Survival of the Fittest, and even something like Grafdigger's Cage against certain decks. But, take what I say here with a grain of salt - I just don't like Smothering Tithe, and I think the CMC of it won't help you that much since you don't run a lot of ramp. I'd honestly rather run Yasharn, Implacable Earth over Smothering Tithe in your deck right now.

Now, you asked for feedback and suggestions, so here are my main suggestions. I'm not sure your budget, but considering you're asking us to decide between two $20~$30 cards, I'll assume it's higher than the average Magic player's. Here is a basic list of things you can do to improve your deck:

  • Go through your deck and individually look at every card in it. Think to yourself "How often do I play this card? Does this card make an impact whenever I play it? Is it just immediately answered? How does this fit into my game plan?" etc. Cut cards that you think aren't up to par or properly fit into your deck.
  • Your deck seems to lack a proper direction. You say you want to pillowfort and focus on building up an army. Cards like Windborn Muse and Ghostly Prison can help you prevent people from swinging at you. If you wanted to prevent people from swinging at all, Crawlspace and Dueling Grounds can work, and you can just pop them with a Nature's Claim or something before you want to start attacking. If you wanted to focus more on the army aspect, you could go with stuff like Avenger of Zendikar, Rhys the Redeemed, or Tendershoot Dryad.
  • Lower your Converted Mana Cost. You currently have a CMC of 3.87, which is rather high. In addition, you are only running seven pieces of ramp - all mana rocks - and two of them are four or more CMC, which does not help you much. Cut cards that don't do much and replace them with either cheaper mana rocks or mana dorks. A few that I immediately see that I would cut are cards like Treva, the Renewer, Skyward Eye Prophets, Empyrial Archangel, and Archon of the Triumvirate. Cards you should add are like Avacyn's Pilgrim, Birds of Paradise, Sylvan Caryatid, and Noble Hierarch. This will lower your CMC and provide additional mana ramp.
  • Lands. You are currently running 38 lands, which is definitely on the high end. However, I think this is a product of having a CMC of 3.87. I think should you end up reducing your CMC to around 2.75 to 3.00 while adding in at least ~7 sources of mana acceleration you can go down to 32~33 lands, which is much more reasonable. However, I also want to talk about your land choices. You aren't running any fetches and many of your lands have a chance to enter tapped. I would look at adding in more fetches such as Prismatic Vista, Windswept Heath, Misty Rainforest, and Flooded Strand at least. In addition, I'd also look at lands such as City of Brass, Mystic Confluence, and the Battlebond lands such as Bountiful Promenade, Rejuvenating Springs, and Sea of Clouds should you reliably play with 3+ people pods. Cut cards like Seaside Citadel and the check lands, as they're kind of feelsbad turn one plays.
  • Removal. You aren't running much removal to deal with threats. Cheap removal such as Nature's Claim, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Return to Nature, and On Thin Ice are all super good in EDH. I would definitely look at improving your removal suite outside of 3+ mana counterspells. Also, look at cheaper counterspells. Cards like Mana Drain would be super good here as it provides you mana acceleration while stopping your opponents.

There is more I would like to add, such as talking more about card advantage, but I've spent damn near close to an hour typing this so I'm gonna call it here. Now, take what I've said with a grain of salt. I'm a high-powered player; I like to optimize my decks, and with optimization comes homogenization. I.e; your decks become less unique. You've got a pretty unique deck here, and if you like it then you like it. Ultimately it's up to you on making that call of whether or not you want to optimize and change everything. If you need more help, feel free to ask. Good luck, and sorry for the wall of text.

plakjekaas on How Good are the New …

8 months ago

Commander is an increasingly fast format because of the cry for not ramping on turn 2 being a death sentence. You can still Farseek off of one of these if you play it turn 1. The only turn they're bad is turn 2, and if you have to play it tapped turn two, you should probably have mulligan'd your hand. I'll play Deserted Beach over Seachrome Coast in any commander deck. Which doesn't mean I'll play it, to be honest, I think it goes the two-colored equivalent of:

Tundra

Hallowed Fountain

Sea of Clouds

Glacial Fortress

Horizon land if available (Horizon Canopy and such)

Mystic Gate

Hengegate Pathway  Flip

Prairie Stream but only with fetches

Celestial Colonnade

Adarkar Wastes

Irrigated Farmland better with fetches, cycling still solid

Deserted Beach

Temple of Enlightenment

Azorius Chancery

Seachrome Coast

Port Town

Glacial Floodplain higher with fetches, of course

And then all the tapped minor downside stuff like Razortide Bridge or Tranquil Cove or a Campus for enemy colors, whatever fits your deck for synergies could raise those too of course.

That's the general order I'd consider them to include in my 2-color deck if available, I guess.

Hercules23 on Slow-Roloro

1 year ago

Cool deck. I've been interested in building Oloro and I like the direction you took it. I guess the creature spots are pretty tight since they all have to be big impact. Thoughts on Cosmos Elixir , Vault of Champions , Sea of Clouds , Morphic Pool , Angel of Destiny , Hullbreacher , Opposition Agent , Venser's Journal , Approach of the Second Sun , Soul's Attendant , Speaker of the Heavens , Drannith Magistrate ?

Elixir is just a phyrexian arena without the lifeloss with Oloro. Bond lands come into play untapped so thats nice. Angel of Destiny and Approach of the second sun are interesting backup wincons which might not be super necessary with the amount of wincons already in the deck. Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent are flash creatures that severely slow down our opponents ability to assemble their combos or wincons, while accelerating our plans even further. Vensers Journal is supercharging our lifegain and also works nicely with necropotences hand size. Speaker of the Heavens creates an army of angels by itself turn after turn to serve as good blockers until we get our combo pieces. Soul's Attendant is just another copy of soul warden, which is always solid. Drannith Magistrate locks out opponents from playing their commander, while we still get the benefit from our commander. The main thing is that its a threatening card and opponents will most likely remove it as soon as they can.

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