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16 hours ago
Boundless Realms, Vigor, Forest, Mountain, Time Walk, Mox Jet, Kargan Dragonlord, Llanowar Elves, Llanowar Elves, Tamiyo, Collector of Tales, Liliana Vess, Domri, Anarch of Bolas, and Deicide are some other cards with cool art.
2 weeks ago
Sorry for the delay with this post, and the pending update. My wife and I just welcomed a new addition to our home, so needless to say things have been a bit busy. I will also be moving to a new house next week so It might be a week or two before I get to the update. For now I will at least give you my thought on the comments, as well as the deck changes that I have landed on!
I think I will start with the changes that you will see in the update because that is the core of the conversation right now.
Force of Vigor OUT FOR Ancient Greenwarden - Although removing Force is going to upset some people, I have been generally underwhelmed by the card. Sure, free removal sounds great but I generally play this deck in a turbo aggressive way. Sure, Force might be a better card, but doesn't really follow the way I have constructed the deck.
Return of the Wildspeaker OUT FOR Valakut Exploration - This appears to be a clean card-draw upgrade to me. Although this new inclusion might not be the great card draw in the deck, I do think I will feel right at home here.
Steely Resolve OUT FOR Nahiri's Lithoforming - With this update the deck will now have 17 total creatures, and 4 different cards to tutor them out. With that being said, Steely Resolve has turned into a dead card next to Sylvan Safekeeper, who can be tutored out very easily. Adding in Nahiri's Lithoforming was a no-brainer to me. Sure, it is a "bad" Scapeshift, that still makes is a really good card.
Ranger's Path OUT FOR Three Visits - I know, about time! The only complaint I expect to hear is why I didn't cut Migration Path instead. The simple answer is because I think the added cycle is better then being able to find my non-basics. Shoot me lol.
Myriad Landscape OUT FOR Field of the Dead - Another overdue change. The value behind a hoard of "free" expendable tokens is just nuts. Whoever at Wizards though it would be ok to put this kind of value on a land has my thanks!
Mountain OUT FOR Snow-Covered Mountain - Goes along with adding Field of the Dead. I don't see the need to split the count of basics in half, all that Field cares about is have different names, and this deck ramps out basics enough that finding the snows will never be a problem.
Perilous Forays OUT FOR Moraug, Fury of Akoum/Valakut Awakening Flip - Easily the biggest controversy right now. I think I can fairly say that no card in this deck has more of a conflicting argument on both sides of cutting and keeping a card in the deck then Perilous Forays. Some people wonder why it has lasted in my list so long, while others are baffled by the fact that I am removing it. That being said, I will give you my opinion this "iconic" Om_rath card. First, it is a sac outlet in a color combo that has few. Although this argument has merit, that is not why the card was in the deck. The reason the card stayed so long was the "feel good" of being able to sac Om_rath tokens over and over again while netting more and more tapped basic lands. The christmas land is when either Lotus Cobra or Amulet of Vigor were in play! Although I pulled this off a few times, it rarely won me a game. Second, the spell cost 5 cmc. This is the biggest draw back for me, it is a 5cmc spell that does nothing for me until I have 2-4 other cards in play. Third, paying 1 mana for the sac ability nerfs that card considerably. Yes, it would be broken if it was free, but there are plenty of free sac outlets that cost less mana. All of this being said, Perilous Forays is sitting the bench and is being slotted in as my playtesting spot. Essentially I like the look of both Moraug, Fury of Akoum and Valakut Awakening Flip, but I am not in love with either on the surface. And before anyone else say it, no I do not think I can take out a land for Valakut Awakening Flip, mainly because it cannot be fetched out. Moraug, Fury of Akoum seems amazing on the surface, but the deck has mainly stepped away from winning through combat. Ill let you know how testing turns out!
With all of this being said, Zendikar Rising has been an amazing set for us! The main problem is that the deck list is insanely tight now! Making cuts in the future is going to be a real headache! Also, the creature count is reaching a record number for us! If Wizards gives us a couple more creatures it might be worth considering different cards. Also, many of you likely noticed that I decided not to cut Genesis Wave, it has won me far to many games, and you guys talked me out of it haha.
Now for some of the comments that I didn't already address with my deck changes.
BenWin: I have to be honest, the Sekki, Seasons' Guide combo does not interest me at all. I don't like combos that include dead cards when you draw into them. I also am not a big fan of infinite combos, and my meta isn't either. Nevertheless, I definitely this the combo is powerful and you should add it to your list if it is your thing!
I think Skullclamp thrives more in decks that make small creatures that die on equipping. Having to rely on another card makes it much weaker.
Sylvan Scrying likely won't be coming back. Sure, is is nice to find Cradle, but I don't need it to win the game, or any other land for that matter. I have almost considered removing more non-basics to increase to total basic land in the deck. I haven't gotten to that point get though.
This might cause an uproar, but Sensei's Divining Top is overrated in my opinion. It is amazing in the right deck, but way to many people play it as the greatest draw card ever (maybe it is for Red and White decks). I have taken mine out of most of my decks and been trading them away at their overpriced $50 price tag little by little lol.
Daedalus19876: The Ashaya, Soul of the Wild combo falls under the same concept as the Sekki, Seasons' Guide combo for me. I think you could easily turn this deck into the Tooth and Nail and I win deck, but that is not what I am really aiming for here. If you build that type of deck fill free to post it here and share! I would definitely like to see how that looks!
_Arra_: I think Lithoform Engine is a good card an all, but not at all what this deck wants. This deck thrives off of the mass amount of triggers and activations we get, and doubling a single one will really not do much for us. All we need to do instead is pay an additional land.
TraceT: I actually do think Scute Swarm is right at home in this deck, but is unfortunately under the power threshold to even be considered for this build. I say play it if you think it would be fun and let us know how it goes! the same kind of goes for Impact Tremors, the right deck, but not quite powerful enough.
I think I got to everyone's comments! I will make sure to post the update ASAP. I start packing for the move tomorrow and should be all settled by next Sunday. Until then please let me know what you think about the upcoming changes, and I am grateful for all the support!
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Ah okay, I assumed the maybeboard were cards you were only looking at, my bad!
In that case you have a bunch of stuff that definitely could fit in the deck. For those three you mentioned Exploration is very good and can be slotted in over Rampant Growth, Canopy Vista/Smoldering Marsh can just be replaced by a Forest/Mountain, and definitely take a Sol Ring if you have a spare one.
As for others, here's the most notable you have on your maybeboard:
- Asceticism - If it resolves your dragons are almost invulnerable outside of stuff like deathtouch/boardwipes
- Smothering Tithe - Could help with ramp
- Dragonlord Ojutai - Great card advantage with hexproof half of the time
- Glorybringer - Might not be as strong as some other options but that exert can effectively be a removal spell every other turn
- Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip - Great value all around and if you manage to transform him you basically win
- Rishkar's Expertise - Pricy but casting it will probably mean refilling your hand and getting a free dragon which covers its cost
- Cyclonic Rift - EDH staple and one of the best boardwipes in the format, wipes all of your opponents' creatures, artifacts, walkers, etc
- Force of Vigor - Pretty good removal that can be manaless
- Teferi's Protection - Protects your entire side from boardwipes
For boardwipes you already have Crux of Fate and Balefire Dragon. Throwing in Cyclonic Rift would definitely be a good choice. The issue with boardwipes in decks like these is that you don't want to reset your own boardstate, but that's why the three I mentioned are so good because they only affect the opponents. Cyclonic Rift also dodges indestructable as it's a bounce effect rather than a destroy.
In my opinion, counters are generally not very effective in decks like these. It's generally more effective to run cards like Rhythm of the Wild and Asceticism as they're not one-shots, while also having the side-benefit of opponents using their counters on your other opponents instead. If you wanted to pick up additional effects like those if counters/removal are rampant in your group, I personally like Steely Resolve and Conqueror's Flail.
If you want more spot removal, I definitely recommend picking up a Path to Exile. With it, Swords to Plowshares, and Anguished Unmaking you should be good for spot removal unless you wanted to splurge on an Assassin's Trophy.
I'm unsure about Ramos, Dragon Engine. Since you're in a more casual environment they might be okay, but unless you have something like Descendants' Path down they're not really worthwhile. If you're wanting to go out and buy a fairly expensive creature, by far the best purchase you could make is Kaalia of the Vast IMO.
3 weeks ago
Assuming you still would like help, here are my thoughts just going off what you already have (so your mainboard and sideboard).
First of all your land situation needs to be sorted out. You have an insanely high average cmc (4.74) so you're going to be looking at about 40 lands without the very pricy ramp cards. 30 lands is in the range that decks with an average of about 2cmc or lower run. Here's a quickly made list of your lands that I'd use:
- Bloodstained Mire
- Canopy Vista
- Cavern of Souls
- Cinder Glade
- Command Tower
- Dragonskull Summit
- Drowned Catacomb
- Exotic Orchard
- Fabled Passage
- Flooded Strand
- Godless Shrine
- Haven of the Spirit Dragon
- Indatha Triome
- Ketria Triome
- Path of Ancestry
- Prairie Stream
- Reflecting Pool
- Sacred Foundry
- Savai Triome
- Scalding Tarn
- Smoldering Marsh
- Sunken Hollow
- Sunpetal Grove
- Unclaimed Territory
- Watery Grave
- Wooded Foothills
- Woodland Cemetery
- Zagoth Triome
- 1x Island
- 1x Plains
- 1x Swamp
- 3x Forest
- 6x Mountain
You almost always want to prioritise lands that can come in untapped over ones that always enter tapped. This is because auto-tapped lands basically set you back a turn, so it's often better to just run a basic over something like Sheltered Thicket. The exception here goes to the Triomes because they offer three colours and more importantly can be picked up by your fetchlands.
As for the rest of your cards, here's what I recommend cutting:
- Aether Vial
- Coat of Arms
- Crucible of Fire
- Deathbringer Regent
- Kilnmouth Dragon
- Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
- Nicol Bolas
- Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God
- Ojutai, Soul of Winter
- Ryusei, the Falling Star
- Shared Animosity
- Supreme Verdict
- Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
- Utter End
And add in their places, assuming you're running 40 lands:
Hopefully that helps, and let me know if you have any questions! These are just suggestions after a brief runthrough of course, so feel free to take them or leave them!
3 weeks ago
I'm going to parrot something that was said before (and this obviously isn't about Zendikar which we're all looking at closely but OP hasn't made the change yet and really should) and say this deck needs to add Field of the Dead. Drop Reliquary Tower, put in Field and split half your basics over to snow covered (7 Forest basics, 7 Snow-Covered Forest and 3 Mountain basics, 3 Snow-Covered Mountain). I have this deck in paper (and basically this exact list minus a couple lands like Cradle and Taiga) and it's far too easy to start pumping out zombies on top of everything else. It synergizes extremely well with what the deck (token doublers, ramp, etb damage effects, draw card effects, sac outlets, etc etc etc) is doing and takes nothing away from the deck. It's an absolute upgrade and OP should make the change.
1 month ago
You made some nice additions and fixed your rock ramp up nicely. Like I said on the previous version of this deck though, I would've used the lands I recommended to replace your lands that come in tapped and not your basics. I believe this deck would perform a lot better if you were running ordinary Mountains and Plains instead of cards like Ancient Amphitheater, Boros Guildgate, Stone Quarry, Temple of Triumph, either of your vivid lands, and Wind-Scarred Crag.
I like the changes you made though. Really nice deck for the budget you're working with! Nice job. :^)