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Spire of Industry
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, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any colour. Activate this ability only if you control an artifact.
6 months ago
Keeping that in mind, here’s an example list incorporating my suggestions:
9 months ago
Hey, you're welcome.
What is your budget for making upgrades? There's tiers of price for lands to consider adding. I would add all these lands if you can.
Fetch lands are expensive price lands, but they let you better use your best lands Volcanic and Tundra.
- Scalding Tarn, Arid Mesa, Flooded Strand
- Shock lands: Steam Vents, Hallowed Fountain and Sacred Foundry
A Fetch land can search for one of these lands and put it onto the battlefield. The Shock lands are the lesser price, but still expensive alternative to Volcanic and Tundra type lands.
You're right, convert is identical to transform, but Optimus Prime, Hero Flip doesn't convert normally, it first dies which leaves the battlefield then returns converted. Because Optimus leaves the battlefield then when it returns it's a new object that doesn't recognize the previous Optimus, it will have summoning sickness. If you sac to convert Hero during your turn you will need a haste source for Optimus Prime, Autobot Leader Flip to attack.
When Leader converts Optimus doesn't leave the battlefield, Hero won't have summoning sickness and keep it's counters. Another reason, that if you can, always put the +1/+1 counters on Leader because when Hero leaves the battlefield the counters go away. Hero is leaving the battlefield much more than Leader. In fact, you can control it so that Leader doesn't convert by not attacking with the lowest toughness creature you control. When Leader attacks you bolster 2 that creature, but that creature has to do combat damage to a player to convert Optimus and it can't do that if it didn't attack.
This why I suggested to sac convert Hero during an opponent's turn because then Optimus leaves the battlefield and returns. It's not on your turn though thus summoning sickness doesn't matter. On your next turn you can attack with Leader.
10 months ago
Hey, you left out highlighting or explaining the best infinite combo with Urza you have here. Urza + Myr Battlesphere + Ashnod's Altar = infinite Myrs, infinite colorless mana, infinite copies of all artifacts you control and infinite damage to each player with Breya.
Nice version so far on a semi budget, but build around the Urza + Battlesphere + Altar combo with more protection? Consider more combo protection? Urza + Battlesphere + Altar combo can be activated at instant speed at any time as long as you control all three permanents and have 6 colorless mana available. You're going to want more than 6 colorless mana if you intend to activate the combo though because you'll also want instant protection.
- Spellskite --> Armillary Sphere
- Counterspell --> Burnished Hart
- Boros Charm --> Indomitable Creativity
- Stubborn Denial --> Fateful Handoff
Darksteel Forge and Padeem, Consul of Innovation can protect Altar + Battlesphere, but they can't protect Urza without additional effect to make Urza an artifact. In the combo Urza is also not leaving the battlefield making him much easier to protect.
Assembling combos in Breya is made much easier with Wishclaw Talisman and because it's an artifact it has insane interaction with Breya. You can sac Wishclaw before opponent gains control of it, but still tutor for your card. When you activate Wishclaw it puts the entire effect as one trigger onto the stack. In response sac Wishclaw, putting it into your graveyard, then when you resolve Wishclaw trigger you tutor for your card, but opponent doesn't gain control of Wishclaw because it's no longer on the battlefield. Pair Wishclaw with Goblin Welder, Emry, Lurker of the Loch, Goblin Engineer or any other artifact recursion/reanimation source for a repeatable tutor.
- Wishclaw Talisman --> Cityscape Leveler
- Emry, Lurker of the Loch --> Tezzeret the Schemer
- Goblin Engineer --> Urza, Powerstone Prodigy
Master Transmuter is powerful with high CMC artifacts especially when she can help assemble combos Darksteel Forge and Myr Battlesphere. It's also nice with Breya as a source to create more Thopters for 1 mana or to abuse any other artifact that has an ETB ability.
- Master Transmuter --> Slagstone Refinery
Consider more Pain lands and Artifact lands? They could replace some basic lands to improve color fixing/Breya interaction which can help gameplay. 23 basic lands is a lot in a four color deck.
- Spire of Industry --> 1x Swamp
- Shivan Reef --> 1x Mountain
- Adarkar Wastes --> 1x Plains
- Caves of Koilos --> 1x Swamp
- Battlefield Forge --> 1x Plains
- Sulfurous Springs --> 1x Mountain
- Ancient Den --> 1x Plains
- Vault of Whispers --> 1x Swamp
Good luck with your deck.
10 months ago
Hey, well done version on a budget.
If you like Thopters and want to make your deck more competitive then consider adding the budget Sword + Foundry combo? Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry creates Thopters equal to the amount of mana you have available. Foundry sacs Sword, moving Sword to graveyard, Foundry creates a 1/1 Thopter which then returns Sword to the battlefield attached to the Thopter and repeat. Even without Foundry, Sword is a good artifact with Breya for sac fodder because it can return to the battlefield.
If you add Ashnod's Altar to Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry then it's a combo to create infinite Thopters. Create infinite Thopters on an opponent's turn and then attack with them on your next turn to win or attack with them you're same turn with Thopter Engineer. Each time you sac a Thopter with Altar you make enough mana to activate Foundry twice. One Thopter is saced to make colorless mana and the other isn't, results in creating infinite Thopters and infinite colorless mana. Altar was just reprinted in the latest set Brothers War (BRO), Retro Artifacts version (BRR), it's down to $5.
Breya and her Thopters can be a wincon with Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle combo. Because Breya can sac herself to do 3 damage to a player then this can enable Deathmantle to repeatedly return her to the battlefield resulting in doing infinite damage to each opponent, 3 damage at a time. Altar sacs a Thopter + Breya which makes 4 mana and when Breya dies it triggers Deathmantle. Pay the 4 to return Breya to the battlefield and repeat. It's great for synergy that all these combo pieces are artifacts making it much easier to assemble them.
Wishclaw Talisman is busted with Breya because it's an artifact, she can sac it along with any other artifact before an opponent gains control of it. When you activate Wishclaw that puts the entire effect on the stack. In response to this, activate Breya and sac Wishclaw. When you resolve the Wishclaw trigger you search for your card, put it into your hand and since Wishclaw is no longer on the battlefield then an opponent doesn't gain control of it, it instead is in your graveyard to be recurred. Wishclaw is great with Emry, Lurker of the Loch and Goblin Welder for a repeatable tutor.
- Wishclaw Talisman --> Treasure Keeper
I see Unwinding Clock here which is good with Master Transmuter because it's an artifact and it taps for it's ability. Transmuter has a unique powerful effect because of the way it's worded, it doesn't target, you can return the same artifact you bounce to your hand right back to the battlefield. With Clock + Breya you can create two Thopters on each player's turn equal to the number of players. Transmuter is also great to cheat high CMC artifacts onto the battlefield by bouncing any artifact you control. Especially high CMC artifacts if they have an ETB ability such as Myr Battlesphere to keep creating Myrs, Spine of Ish Sah to keep destroying opponent permanents, Thought Monitor for repeatable draw, etc.
Making some land changes within your budget can make your deck more competitive by cutting some lands that always ETB tapped for lands that don't. The Pain lands and other lands like them are excellent budget lands especially when your Commander can gain life. They ETB untapped to make colorless mana or you take 1 damage to make a colored mana. The Pains have been reprinted in the last two Standard sets making them the least expensive right now. You can also start to find some Pain lands in new Commander precons which is a welcomed manabase upgrade.
- Spire of Industry --> Evolving Wilds
- Underground River --> Dimir Aqueduct
- Shivan Reef --> Terramorphic Expanse
- Adarkar Wastes --> Azorius Chancery
- Caves of Koilos --> Temple of Deceit
- Battlefield Forge --> Boros Garrison
- Sulfurous Springs --> Rakdos Carnarium
Good luck with your deck.
10 months ago
So, right now, Commander included, you've got 126 cards. Seeing as you're only 26 over the cap, this shouldn't be too bad.
On the other side of the coin, Brokers Hideout, Obscura Storefront, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Myriad Landscape, Esper Panorama, and Bant Panorama are all cheaper fetch lands that you could use.
Drawing mana late game can be a dead draw a lot of the time, so being able to remove that excess from your deck can be a really nice tool to have, so you can draw just what you want. Maybe take out cards that are fast, but not necessary such as, Skycloud Expanse, Sea of Clouds, Mishra's Factory, and Crawling Barrens.
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1x Ancient Den
1x Buried Ruin
1x Mech Hangar
1x Power Depot
1x Flood Plain
Changing it to this (or a list of just 35 mana), should bring us down to 122 cards.
For the rest, I’d say Ondu Inversion Flip, Access Denied, Tezzeret the Seeker, Tezzeret, Artifice Master, Phyrexian Metamorph, Cultivator's Caravan, Invoke Justice, and An Offer You Can't Refuse, all mostly because they’re too expensive.
That leaves you with 109
Okay, so, this decklist is surprisingly tight for being 30~ cards over and I don’t know where to kick the last 9 off. Maybe Artificer Class? Maybe some of the creatures/vehicles? Idunno, good luck.
11 months ago
This is indeed a very funny affinity deck. I can help here, friend. (:
Mystic Forge is going to give you pretty much as much freedom with playing stuff as you want. Unless you hit a land, that is. Taking out Gingerbrute and Aether Spellbomb for two of these is probably all you'll need.
Mycosynth Golem is going to make everything absurdly cheap.
I also think that you should replace Welding Jar, Shadowspear, and Gingerbrute either wil three copies of Welding Jar or three copies of Shadowspear, putting three copies of the other into your sideboard.
1 year ago
Hey, well done list so far on a low budget. Elsha with Vehicles is an interesting choice.
Some advice to get started on revision/optimization is to streamline creatures and lands to make Elsha better. Consider reducing the creature count down to 10 of the best creatures here for Vehicles strategy and/or crewing? (ordered by CMC)
- Toolcraft Exemplar
- Etherium Sculptor
- Giant Ox
- Kotori, Pilot Prodigy
- Depala, Pilot Exemplar
- Foundry Inspector
- Losheel, Clockwork Scholar
- Vedalken Archmage
- Katsumasa, the Animator
- Aeronaut Admiral
The less creatures the better for Elsha. Cut most creatures for lands and ramp? Elsha doesn't work with lands thus having less can also make Elsha better. Consider 32 lands with many budget low mana cost mana rocks to replace some lands?
To help with deck building add all the lands you want to play, even just basic lands, to see how many spots are left to fill or how many cards you need to cut to add more lands. Some budget lands to consider adding:
- Spire of Industry
- Mech Hangar
- Exotic Orchard
- Mystic Monastery
- Shivan Reef
- Rugged Prairie
- Prairie Stream
- Port Town
- Buried Ruin
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Hey, well done meshing all these precons into one deck, nice budget version of Breya.
Some cards that are in the precons to consider adding that are upgrades:
Hart is very slow ramp. Spine is more mana, but it can target any permanent and can be repeatable, good with artifact reanimation/recursion.
- Baleful Strix --> Artificer's Epiphany
- Shimmer Myr --> Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
- Silas Renn, Seeker Adept --> Armory Automaton
- Sharuum the Hegemon --> Myr Retriever
- Swiftfoot Boots --> Loxodon Warhammer
Strix is excellent value artifact creature for only two mana. Flash for artifacts is a powerful effect with Breya. You don't have enough good equipment to make Automaton worth it. The problem is you don't own or control equipment you take from opponents meaning you can't sac it with Breya or get the equipment player effects (do combat damage. etc.). Sharuum is more mana, but can reanimate any artifact in your graveyard. Repeatable protection for Breya as well as haste for big creatures is better than what Warhammer does.
- Treasure Nabber --> Chief of the Foundry
Nabber is powerful repeatable effect in multiplayer Commander because just about all opponent's decks will have mana rocks. Steal opponents mana rocks, use them on your turn and then sac them with Breya.
- Cursed Mirror --> Vessel of Endless Rest
Mirror is good in multiplayer Commander especially with artifact reanimation/recursion.
Good luck with your deck.