Double Vision

Double Vision

Enchantment

Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell each turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.

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Double Vision Discussion

seshiro_of_the_orochi on Deck building Help

1 week ago

Seasons Past would've been my suggestion, as well. Jodah seems a fine commander.

You could go for a BIG MANA SORCERY theme with some of the Ultimatums that don't exile themselves on resolution, Apex of Power and Double Vision. Maelstrom Nexus and Maelstrom Archangel would be pretty busted in there, as well. Eerie Ultimatum would be especiall especially nasty when combined with Fraying Omnipotence

Solve the Equation is indeed awesome for that, but Diabolic Tutor, Dark Petition, Mastermind's Acquisition and especially Final Parting are powerful tutors that don't cost much.

keizerbuns on Milking a Miracle

1 month ago

Glad you like the deck coinfliplarry, always happy to hear more suggestions! :D

I never thought of using surveil, but I think that works perfectly for this deck! Although I don't think splashing in a little black is worth it just for a couple of Doom Whisperers, I do love your other surveil suggestions, especially Dragon's Rage Channeler! Double Vision is fun and all, but I think lower CMC with earlier game impact is the smarter way to go.

I would like to add more Temporal Masterys, but unfortunately they're a little too expensive for me to add more than 1 copy.

I agree with you that my mana base might be a little weak, but I'm just using lands I already had sitting around so I don't break the bank with this deck. That's good advice about the double colored mana symbol cards though, maybe I'll look into an alternative counterspell with only 1 colored mana in the cost.

No need to apologize for your English, I understood everything you said haha. Thanks again for the suggestions, I think you gave this deck that extra little push it needed! :D

keizerbuns on Milking a Miracle

1 month ago

As always thanks for the feedback zapyourtumor! After playtesting this deck some more I'm starting to see your point. I think, like you said, cutting the blinks entirely is the right choice and I should focus more on the drawing/scrying and dumping cards into my graveyard.

I am trying to keep this deck as budget as I can so unfortunately that puts Jace, the Mind Sculptor and maybe even Path to Exile out. The only reason I have some expensive lands in here is because I already had them sitting around haha. I will add a couple Terminus and play around with the Considers and Thought Scours to see which one I like best.

My thinking with Dictate of Kruphix was that it would let me draw into my deck further each turn so that I can draw past the miracle I would be putting back on top of my deck every turn. That's not an issue anymore with all the cantrips and scrying cards I have now so I'll take those out too. I would take Double Vision out as well but I think it's a lot of fun so for now I'm gonna leave them in. Also, my thinking with Test of Talents was that it got more value out of it than the average counter spell and anything it can't counter I can just bounce or kill anyways, but I think you're right about swapping it out for Counterspell. Although I'll still hold on to Test in my side board.

Thanks again for the suggestions and feedback, I always appreciate them coming from you! :D

zapyourtumor on Milking a Miracle

1 month ago

I'm 90% sure soulherder isn't worth it here just to blink Bloodwater and keep doing miracles. You only have 5 other target creatures to blink and if they remove the bloodwater your soulherder becomes useless. I'd cut it. Similarly, I don't think Ephemerate is worth it either. All these cards are too situational, Bloodwater Entity is already good here without them.

Getting rid of soulherder also lets you play some Terminus mainboard. Even if Tide bounces Bloodwater to your hand, there's a lot of decks where Terminus is needed to slow them down and Tide barely does anything. Basically any aggro deck can just dump their hand again if you bounce: it does almost nothing against hammertime, affinity, burn, prowess etc. It also doesn't do much against midrange decks built around cheap+efficient creatures like Deaths Shadow, Jund Sagavan, BRx midrange piles etc. I would most definitely play at least 2 mainboard Terminus.

In general, I'd move more towards a control-miracles shell where Bloodwater Entity is like your snapcaster that lets you play stuff for miracle cost. I don't know why Dictate of Kruphix is here, since miracle only triggers on the first card you draw each turn. Double Vision is also probably not worth it.

Okay, now for some card suggestions. Jace, the Mind Sculptor is an incredibly powerful planeswalker that also lets you brainstorm every turn to do some miracle stuff. It only takes 1 more mana investment than Brainstone and its a lot better. I'd add 2 if you can afford it (I'm not sure if you want to keep this deck budget or not).

I'd add a little more spot removal that doesn't depend on miracles, I suggest Path to Exile to hit creatures out of Thunderous Wrath range. I'd also add some maindeck counterspells, which in my opinion you need to keep the game going long enough to get serious value out of Bloodwater and the miracle spells. Counterspell is pretty budget and probably your best bet. I don't really know why Test of Talents is here, it's only really good against ad naus or rhinos or weird stuff like that.

You might want to consider some graveyard fueling cantrips like Consider and Thought Scour (I think consider is better). Although you can't dump as many in the yard as Gaze, they replace themselves with a draw.

woinththro on Wort Wort Wort!?!? <Kyle's Mom's voice>

2 months ago

@ king-saproling. I definitely like Storm-Kiln Artist for storming off. Not sure what I would cut but I want to find a spot for it.

Reiterate is probably better than Double Vision 90% of the time, although I try and not go infinite if I can avoid it... For some reason it's so much more satisfying to burn someone for 80 than 1,000,000,000. It feels more earned. I do think I even have a foil Reiterate buried in a box somewhere.

Nostalgic Dreams is super cool as some redundancy to Past in Flames, and I think I like it more than Reiterate just because it isn't going infinite. Nostalgic Dreams will probably replace Double Vision once I buy one.

Rude Awakening could be really useful, I have had Early Harvest in the deck before but I mainly cut it because it doesn't untap non-basics, which Rude Awakening does. A previous iteration of the deck ran only basics and had a non-basic land hate subtheme ( Blood Moon,Magus of the Moon,Primal Order,Ruination,Burning Earth,Price of Progress...). This version of the deck wasn't very popular, as you can imagine. This led to the deck falling out of rotation and not being played for three years.

I definitely see how Delina, Wild Mage could be a lot of fun; getting me multiple copies of Wort and giving spells multiple instances of conspire. However, this seems pretty clunky since she needs to attack to do it, and the deck is not geared towards attacking. maybe if I had some haste enablers I'd try and work her in.

as for all of the mana rocks, I had intentionally avoided any manarocks in previous builds of the decks mainly because they aren't either: a mana dork who could conspire spells i.e. Zhur-Taa Druid, or a ramp spell that could be conspired i.e. Farseek. although I do recognize that those rocks that tap for two and come down on turn three are all much better at getting Wort into play on turn four...

One aspect of previous builds of the deck that I did like was that it had initially included zero artifacts and enchantments. I liked that my opponents couldn't use any artifact/enchantment removal against me, which meant they hopefully had some dead cards. One of the main reasons I just updated the deck at all was because Twinning Staff got printed, which is one of the main build arounds for this iteration of the deck. The whole reason Goblin Engineer and all of the artifact lands are in the deck is to go get Twinning Staff. and since Krark, the Thumbless and Goblin Anarchomancer are also goblins I might as well play Goblin Matron. although I've definitely considered removing the last three artifacts/enchantments (as well as goblin engineer) once again.

QuestionMarc on Vadrik's Discount Spell Emporium

3 months ago

It's not really fair to suggest a bunch of additions to a deck without suggesting some cuts, so the ones I am seeing so far are:

  1. Clone Legion This is a huge spell but not necessarily a game ender when for 9 mana it probably should be. If it doesn't end the game, it will create a bookkeeping nightmare of tokens that are copies of a variety of creatures that don't have haste and are permanent. Seems the most straight across replacement would be Insurrection which for 1 mana less steals ALL creatures (not just one player's), gives them haste, and guarantees you have all the power and your opponents have no blockers. You should be able to end most games that way or at least take out a player or two, or just wait a little longer until that is the case.
  2. Diluvian Primordial A very expensive creature with no cost reduction, no tribal support, no flash or anything to keep it flexible, and it allows you to cast one spell from each opponent's graveyard? Your spells should be better than theirs. you don't need their spells. Certainly not at this cost. My straight across replacement recommendation? Spark Double! If you have your commander out, this seems like the best creature you could possibly cast!
  3. Double Vision 5 mana is a lot to spend on an enchantment that does nothing on its own, and when it is really good it is kind of a win more card. What this card needs more from an enchantment is more stuff to do early game and more repeatable card draw, so it may be cliche but you could put Mystic Remora or Rhystic Study here and I'm sure they would prove useful to keeping the deck fueled.
  4. Foil Seems like the worst of your counterspells, and you already have a lot! You want one you can cast for free? Force of Will, Fierce Guardianship, and Deflecting Swat are all likely better but expensive. Mana Drain too. But IMO, you already have plenty of counterspells and could use more stuff to trigger day/night so I recommend Leyline of Anticipation here so you can make it night on your turn easy and keep all your tools available at all time. Not to mention dropping creatures and artifacts and stuff right before your turn to protect them!
  5. Galecaster Colossus I'm not sure what another 7 mana creature is doing in this spell slinger deck. You wanna tap out for this on turn 8? No. I found a few other Wizard synergies that would probably work better like Sage of Fables or Metallic Mimic, but probably the Wizard that I would hate seeing the most here and is therefor probably correct is Fatespinner. This will also encourage a lot more day/night flipping I imagine when some people have to skip their main phase!
  6. Homeward Path Are you worried about your commander being stolen? That doesn't seem like a likely occurrence in our meta, and even less likely with all the counterspells and protection equipment you are playing. Instead how about Tyrite Sanctum? You can put a counter on Vadrik at instant speed repeatably for a low price, and when the time comes you can make him Indestructible permanently!
  7. Stifle I find this effect is often too small to be worth running defensively. You could replace it with a slightly bigger version like Disallow, Trickbind, Interdict, or Squelch. You could also replace this with kind of anything proactive and I have a lot of suggestions that could go here with Commander's Plate probably being the safest and Galazeth Prismari being the wildest! (He allows you to tap your equipment for mana!)
  8. Theoretical Duplication I just don't think copying your opponent's creatures for the turn (or more likely creature, singular) is that strong. And the bookkeeping again. You know what IS frustratingly strong? Capsize. Oof. I kinda hate myself for recommending it though. Alternatively if you wanna buyback something fun how about Seething Anger, Haze of Rage, or Lunar Frenzy to build up a huge Vadrik turn!

And a few basic lands for some of the nonbasics I recommended. Also we probably have too many Mountains given that 73% of your mana costs are blue. That's a good start I think at tweaking this deck!

TypicalTimmy on seshiro_of_the_orochi

5 months ago

For some reason my phone keeps having the page crash on your post.


The average result on a single d12 roll is 6.5. because we can't deal in half-rolls, we can assume one will be a 6 and one will be a 7.

So for 7mv, you are theoretically able to, on average, deal 6 damage to each creature "for free". The issue, however, is that for an average to be realized, multiple rolls must be made. In EDH, you get to cast this spell once unless you have ways to copy it or recur it.

Yes, you can roll a 1 and a 3. You can also roll a 12 and a 12.

Consider it like this, 50% of the time your roll is less than average (6 or less) and 50% of the time your roll is more than average (7 or greater) on any one roll. Now people can say that your chances of, say, rolling two 10s are drastically lower than rolling one 10, and while mathematically this is true, your first and second roll have no barring on each other. How you roll on your first die is not going to have any effect on your second die.

This is the type of card you'd want to run in gimmick decks to take advantage of copying it. Krark, the Thumbless would be a good Commander but you'd want to be in Izzet at minimum to really take advantage of everything, such as Ral, Storm Conduit, Mirari, Double Vision, Swarm Intelligence, etc.

Generating infinite mana in Izzet is easy so these high MVs are not difficult to attain. But then you must ask why you aren't playing something larger to just win the game?

Also Pixie Guide is worth a shout-out there...

My opinion? It's a fun D&D themed card for a fun D&D Precon and nothing more. Doesn't have a whole lot of utility outside of that setting. Even something like Charmbreaker Devils barely assists you as you could pull anything else you might have in the deck.

So you need to ask yourself: Are you playing to have fun, or to win? If you are playing to win, the card is a shim for your wobbly table. If you're playing to have fun, fun is subjective; If you enjoy it, it's as valuable as Dockside Extortionist.

TypicalTimmy on Reckless Endeavor too reckless?

5 months ago

The average result on a single d12 roll is 6.5. because we can't deal in half-rolls, we can assume one will be a 6 and one will be a 7.

So for 7mv, you are theoretically able to, on average, deal 6 damage to each creature "for free". The issue, however, is that for an average to be realized, multiple rolls must be made. In EDH, you get to cast this spell once unless you have ways to copy it or recur it.

Yes, you can roll a 1 and a 3. You can also roll a 12 and a 12.

Consider it like this, 50% of the time your roll is less than average (6 or less) and 50% of the time your roll is more than average (7 or greater) on any one roll. Now people can say that your chances of, say, rolling two 10s are drastically lower than rolling one 10, and while mathematically this is true, your first and second roll have no barring on each other. How you roll on your first die is not going to have any effect on your second die.

This is the type of card you'd want to run in gimmick decks to take advantage of copying it. Krark, the Thumbless would be a good Commander but you'd want to be in Izzet at minimum to really take advantage of everything, such as Ral, Storm Conduit, Mirari, Double Vision, Swarm Intelligence, etc.

Generating infinite mana in Izzet is easy so these high MVs are not difficult to attain. But then you must ask why you aren't playing something larger to just win the game?

Also Pixie Guide is worth a shout-out there...

My opinion? It's a fun D&D themed card for a fun D&D Precon and nothing more. Doesn't have a whole lot of utility outside of that setting. Even something like Charmbreaker Devils barely assists you as you could pull anything else you might have in the deck.

So you need to ask yourself: Are you playing to have fun, or to win? If you are playing to win, the card is a shim for your wobbly table. If you're playing to have fun, fun is subjective; If you enjoy it, it's as valuable as Dockside Extortionist.

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