Grasslands enters the battlefield tapped.
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|Commander 2017 (C17)||Uncommon|
|Vintage Masters (VMA)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Knights vs. Dragons (DDG)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Grasslands occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
3 weeks ago
hey k_drake, both have completely different playstyles and they're great in their own way.
First, I'd invest in mana base.
You could try getting some shock lands or cheaper versions (but still fetchable) lands like Cinder Glade and Canopy Vista . Plus there are some cheap fetch lands that enter the battlefield tapped, Flood Plain , Grasslands , Mountain Valley , Rocky Tar Pit and Bad River to name a few.
Feel free to link your decklist, it'll be a pleasure to take a look and help a fellow Sliver player.
I personnaly play The First Sliver (The Birth of the Swarm - [EDH]), it can lead to very explosive plays but is less consistent than the Sliver Overlord.
You should try them both since you already have those cards.
Have a good day!
1 month ago
A budget manabase in 5 colours is hard. multimedia's advice above is pretty good. Another option is using the cheaper dual-type lands, like Cinder Glade and Sheltered Thicket , with the Mirage fetchlands ( Bad River , Flood Plain , Grasslands , Mountain Valley and Rocky Tar Pit ).
The problem with using these is they all enter the battlefield tapped most of the time.
1 month ago
Tzefick: I read through the original post, but I want to circle back to it later. And you will have to excuse the order in general, I was responding to this across the course of a day.
On artifact removal
There are a few points to unpack here. The first, and most importantly, is that removal is a big part of Magic, the Gathering and honestly, is what makes games (and deckbuilding) interesting. IF MtG was just about amassing board states and then slamming big creatures into other big creatures, the game would be much more boring (not to mention take much longer). But your argument here basically boils down to "artifacts are bad because they die to removal". I get that there are a bunch of good artifact removal cards, but that doesn't mean that we should stop leaning into artifacts because of it.
As for dealing with removal (especially mass removal) - there are still many options that white already has access to which does actually allow them to ramp. Wayfarer's Bauble , Burnished Hart , Solemn Simulacrum , Kor Cartographer , Knight of the White Orchid are all perfectly valid land ramp cards. Sure, the average CMC of these spells is higher than their green counterparts, however green is THE ramp colour, so it would be expecteded that there would be hihger costs/more contitions to be met for other colours to do a similar thing. And that's without even touching on cards like Sword of the Animist or Explorer's Scope which are both equipment and what white excels at.
In addition to this, while not ramping, white already has access to cards like Weathered Wayfarer , Land Tax , and Tithe which allow you to consistently hit your lands. While not as good as outright ramping, if you're hitting your lands each turn, you're genereally not doing too badly. And when combined with other ramp effects, by mid to late game you still end up with as much mana as most players.
Now onto the artifacts. Yes, there are a lot of good artifact removal effects which can slow players down. But I would also point out a few things here too.
Mana dorks are a very common form of ramp in commander. Most green decks will run a bunch of them and there are even strategies (elf ball) which almost solely relies on them. But just as artifacts can be hated on, white has some of THE best creature removal in the game. This includes both single target but also mass removal, which can severely hamper your opponents with regards to ramp. And unlike green (who is the main comparison point here), white doesn't rely on mana dorks, leaving you relatively unaffected from a mana standpoint.
In addition to this, white has a lot of ways of protecting your stuff from being destroyed, whether it's indestructible, hexproof, just an outright Teferi's Protection (which yes you did mention), or more importantly shutting down an opponent's removal source using Torpor Orb effects, of which white has many. Sure, this doesn't stop everything, but it can shut down a lot of (especially green) big bad ones. We are seeing a lot of these printed in new sets, to the point where WotC are really trying to drive home the point that "this is what white does".
Ok, now circling back (And I will do this more than once) and picking up on my previous paragraph. On the topic of land ramp - white is very good at shutting down this. between all of the MLD, Balance type effects and library shutdown effects like Aven Mindcensor , white hating on green's land ramp is to green hating on artifacts (i.e. white's main ramp source). Again I reiterate, this is what white does. It has been made abundantly clear, since we have time and time again seen printing of cards that equalise the board, to take away other players' advantages. So again I push the point that white is capable, however the issue here is that it's not the way you (or some other casule commander players) want it to be. But again, that's not white's shortfall.
On Graveyard Recursion
This topic follows on from the whole artifact removal thing. Yes, white is very strong in graveyard recursion. And just to touch on one of your points, even recently white got a bunch of graveyard recursion via cards like Daring Archaeologist and Restoration Specialist . Not repeatable sure, but still decent. And let's face it, any mono-white commander product is going to see Sun Titan reprinted. But back to the whole recusrion thing in general - while white is good at recursion, it's permanent based, not specifically land based. Yes, this overlaps (especially in the case of Sun Titan ) but here it's just a bit of nice value.
Land recursion is very much a green thing (I'm not even going to list the cards) and that makes sense. But for white, the recursion is generally symmetric if en masse. And again, this makes sense. White is good at wrecking stuff, so it's also good at bringing stuff back. But the point is that just because you wreck stuff and bring it back symmetrically doesn't mean that you can't exile a graveyard or two in the middle. Ok, but what's my concern with what you're recommending (both across the board but let's talk specifics)?
So, fundamentally I have no issues with the release of white cards which can return permanents from the graveyard to the battlefield, and fundamentally I have no issues with pairing these cards with any kind of fetchlands to ramp. As you mentioned, we have the new Sevinne's Reclamation and Brought Back alongside Sun Titan and Profound Journey .
Where I have issue in this case is not with the concept of having a cheaper spell that hits smaller stuff, but in this case your suggestion. Unforntunately, ther is a fine line between being able to be used early game for ramp purposes and just being broken. The card you proposed is similar in effect to Unearth , though it being able to hit any permanent for 2 mana (yes, even CMC 2 or less) is super good. That means that in legacy it can hit cards like Young Pyromancer , Snapcaster Mage (to get other spells even at sorcery, like itself for example), Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Wasteland , etc. as well as potentially getting another permanent too. It just seems way too powerful. Sure, we could start tweaking the mana costs/effects but I think you would end up with effectively a functional reprint of Sevinne's Reclamation . And look, if that's what you're going for then that's fine. But that's the danger with working under the guise of returning permanents while focusing on lands.
As for the land sepcific recursion effect though, this just seems out of charater (and heavily moving into green's territory). Just because one card was printed, which again did a symmetric effect (almost seems good with Armageddon + Tormod's Crypt ...) does not mean that it's a shoo-in for more cards to be printed like that. Planar Birth was printed inthe same set as Catastrophe and it seems like those cards were designed to play well with each other. As for hitting land drops each turn, I have no issues with this (hell, I even mentioend it before) and to aid in the available "non-good fetch" fetches, you have Terramorphic Expanse , Evolving Wilds , Myriad Landscape , Grasslands , Flood Plain , Bant Panorama , Esper Panorama , Naya Panorama , Warped Landscape , Terminal Moraine and Thawing Glaciers . That's a pretty good collection of budget fetch effects that already exist. And between Scaretiller , Sun Titan , Sevinne's Reclamation and Crucible of Worlds (and in conjuction with other ramp) there are already options there.
Again, I will double down on my argument that if you look, these cards already exist and can be made to work together in a deck. Yes, Crucible of Worlds has ~$25 USD price tag (at the time of writing this) however that is not too exorbitant for a strong EDH card.
On Other Colours
I get that each colour has its strengths and weaknesses and that when you put all of them alongside each other there will always be a worst colour. But I don't think that's a bad thing. White is an incredibly powerful colour outside of commander, and as a second colour, white is still super good. But mono-white has to have a weakness. In this case, it's slow. Buat again, that's done for a reason - because white represents balance. White might be slow, but it will do a really good job of slowing you down with it. And again, I get that ther will be a group of players who don't want to play all of the stax cards for fear of getting other poeple's backs up. But what about the players who don't care about that? you've now just armed a bunch of people with ramp and draw with their existing supply of stax. Think of how much worse that will be.
Now onto red (since you touched on it) - yes, WotC have come up with a nice balance for red's card advantage (in that it matches red's ramp style) - momentary bursts of value. Rituals and exile - you use it or you lose it kind of effects, which makes sense (and which you pointed out). But it's all done within the bounds of the colour pie still. But everything about white screams that it's card advantage is making sure your opponents don't have cards.
While I believe that commander should be avaialble to anyone, there are some cold, hard facts: Some people can spend more than others, and, not everybody within a playgroup has the same budget.
The cards I listed before were budgetless and in most cases, the best of the best. And I understand that only a small portion of commander players actually own said cards. But there are always alternative cards at all budgets, they just may not be as desirable. But that's where my double standard comment came in, which is "if you want to play a colour that doens't have good ramp, but still want the best ramp then either pay the money to buy the good (read "expensive") stuff or deal with the fact that you can't/won't buy it." I don't think that's an unfair statement, and it's a slippery slope once you start pandering to it.
But again, if ther is a budget discrepency within a playgroup then I also don't think that it is WotC's responsiblity to fix it. This is something that the players have to own and is an entire discussion point in an of itself, so I will leave that there. But I think most players would agree with me on this.
On Other Players
Here's where we get to brass tacks (if we haven't already), I wouldn't agree with you on the comment that "a large portion of the commander community" thinks that mono-white needs fixing. Ther eare some poeple, sure. And those people might make a lot of noise about it, but that doesn't mean it's the majority of players. I know that most players who I interact with would agree wiht my viewpoint on it.
And don't get me wrong, I play both casual and competitive lists, I work full time and have funds available to afford nicer cards. A casual list for me sits in the $400-500 range. But before you discount my opinion becasue fo that, hear me out. I have looked at many, many, many lists on tapped out, ranging from <$100 to >$5000 and have learnt a lot over the years. Typically the things I notice is that the kinds of poeple who complain about a lack of XYZ have also employed a lot of bad deck-building practices (no, I'm not implying this on your lists). Really heavy mana curves, little ramp to begin with, high CMC ramp, lack of focused win conditions, all that good stuff. And I'm not saying that the decks are completely unplayable, but a lot of them are really clunky and slow. And I won't begrudge people for building those decks. But if your average CMC is 4.5 and then you're complaining that your deck is slow, that's becasue of the card choices you made. However bad deckbuilding is not WotC's fault.
So compared to those poeple, I will be a bit arrogant and say I undstand balance better than them, yes. But, and more importantly, so does WotC - because they seem to be printing more stax cards for white as sets come out, but not more ramp and card advantage which would fix the non-problem.
3 months ago
So right off the bat, I suggest replacing Path to Exile with Swords to Plowshares . In a format like EDH, everyone is trying to do broken things -- so ramping your opponents is actively dangerous. Six to ten life points is not worth as much as a free land.
My second suggestion goes for almost any blue deck: Cantrips are your friend. Ponder and Preordain may not look like much, but there's a reason they're super-banned in Modern. I highly suggest including them. Depending on your budget, Brainstorm could be a worth inclusion as well. It's really only good if you have at least four to six fetch-lands, since they'll make sure you don't get Brainstorm locked (stuck with two dead cards on top of your deck). While Prismatic Vista and the Polluted Delta / Misty Rainforest -type lands are expensive, cards like Flood Plain or Grasslands are also good.
You're in green, which means you have access to the best dorks in the game. Sol Ring (which I think you just forgot to put in) is one of the few artifact-ramp pieces necessary in green decks: You have access to (and should strongly consider running): Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Noble Hierarch (though she's pricey), Bloom Tender (also stupid pricey 'till WoTC gets around to a reprint), Arbor Elf and Avacyn's Pilgrim . Like Ponder , dorks don't look like much; but I've yet to see someone run them (properly) and not think they're the bomb.
Green go-wide strategies are interesting in that they have access to some pretty unique win-conditions. I'm working on a Shattergang Brothers list right now that uses Triumph of the Hordes as a win-con, and I think it'd be good here too. Also consider, if you have $60 you don't want, Craterhoof Behemoth + Natural Order -- that can pull a win out of nowhere, provided you have a good board-presence.
This is a small one, but you may want to run Nature's Chant instead of Disenchant , since it's slightly easier to cast. That being said, Nature's Claim is a mana cheaper, and I think it's probably better than the other two.
If you can, I think you'd probably have luck running Supreme Verdict . Not being counterable is a big deal in EDH, meaning it's probably better than Fumigate . Speaking of anti-counter-cards, if your meta is even just 40% blue decks, consider running Veil of Summer . That card's like... really good. Also good if your meta is blue-heavy: Carpet of Flowers . Because almost all your tokens will have three or less power, consider Retribution of the Meek as another potential board-wipe.
Card-draw is another thing you'll want to add in the remaining 49 cards. Slate of Ancestry is straight-up dumb in creature decks, and I suggest running it. Monastery Siege and Mirrodin Besieged are also good options for permanent-based card-draw. Tireless Tracker is also good, if you end up running 34+ lands.
Bant has access to a lot of the great hate pieces of our time. Depending on how many artifacts you run vs. how many your opponents run, Collector Ouphe and Stony Silence can steal games really nicely. Gaddock Teeg is excellent for holding off board-wipes (with the notable exceptions of Toxic Deluge and, less frequently, Dead of Winter , and there're countless other hatebears you have available to you. Some of my favorites in EDH include: Aven Mindcensor , Thalia, Heretic Cathar , Kataki, War's Wage , Ethersworn Canonist and Meddling Mage (naming someone's commander).
Similar to hatebears, there're non-creature ways to disincentivize your opponents from doing things. These are called Stax pieces, after the infamous Smokestack . Rhystic Study is good, but I think Mystic Remora is actually better. Coming down turn-one or -two means it can tax all your opponents' artifact ramp, and frequently acts as an Ancestral Recall in less experienced metas. Things like Aura Shards and Aura of Silence are good ways to keep opponents in check, and Storm decks (like the one I play a lot) tend to fold to things like Rule of Law . Root Maze is also an "expensive deck"-hoser, since things like Scalding Tarn , Grim Monolith and Mana Vault really, really stink while Root Maze is on the table.
You're in blue, so you should consider at least three to five counterspells. Dovin's Veto is a personal favorite; also consider Counterspell , Spell Snare , Mana Drain / Force of Will (if you've got $$$), Mental Misstep (blows Sol Ring out of the water) or even something like Mana Leak or Spell Pierce .
Right. That's all I got for now... hope this helps!
3 months ago
You've correctly identified some methods already used (signets, dorks) which are extremely common in decks. This is because they 1) ramp 2) color fix 3) spread mana across permanent types to avoid getting wiped. You should DEFINITELY run the signets/talismans and available dorks, they are so incredibly efficient at what they do and at very low real dollar cost, and are diversified to avoid getting totally wiped. I know you want more lands but also consider Armageddon only costs $4 and has already had so many printings and you will see it in competitive decks and other low-tuner competitive decks. If you run Blood Moon on a budget, absolutely run the talismans and signets I can't stress that enough.
However, being a budget boy who wants to go fast myself, I've stumbled across similar questions before, so I'm more than willing to share what I've gleaned. You pretty much want cards that WILL come down turn 1 or 2, cards that give free stuff for cheap $$$, or or pump up those basic land #'s. You may also notice that in typical Blood Pod lists, there aren't that many red cards or red mana sources, and that many of my recommendations are green. You're going to want to weight your colors so red is a smaller part and to run very few red lands because all your nonbasics become Mountains, so run your nonbasics to include a red splash and then run more forests.
It is a Rampant Growth on legs that can block-then-sac on annoying early creatures like Tymna the Weaver . Brings you to a basic so works with BM, it can swing to get Tymna triggers. It spiked a while ago but its still decently cheap to buy.
Nature's Lore is the best of these three, as the forest enters untapped and it can grab shocklands with a Forest type if you dont have BM out. Growth gives the most utility by giving you any basic land for BM. Farseek gives any but a forest, but you have to make a green to cast it so you've got at least one green somehow. These are extremely playable fixer/ramp cards on a budget and are really going to help you with a budget Blood Moon land base. I recommend these over the 3 CMC counterparts Cultivate Kodama's Reach because they come out a turn faster so far lower chance you're going to get staxed out. They curve extremely well into having 4 mana on turn 3 (Tana on turn 3?), as opposed to using all your turn 3 mana for a big turn 4. They also raise the amount of keepable hands you will have, as 2 mana + growth gets you to Tymna, while 2 mana + Cultivate is a mulligan more times. They're even enjoyable to see sometimes late game after MLD.
Insane color fixing and it cantrips, the only problem is you have to run snow-basics instead. If you happen to have enough snow basics laying around, this is a very solid bet for color fixing.
One of these is much cheaper to purchase, so I highly recommend that one. Fixes and cantrips, you really don't mind drawing them late at all.
Color fixer and ramper, works real well with BM. Just add creatures.
If you have them, they will deck thin + get you to the correct basic land. I know fetchlands are expensive, so also consider that there is a lesser known cycle of mirage ETB tapped fetchlands, while definitely worse, are much cheaper. Sleeper cards tagged for your convenience Flood Plain Bad River Rocky Tar Pit Mountain Valley Grasslands . Also DEFINITELY run Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse if you don't already. More sleeper fetches that might interest you Krosan Verge Thawing Glaciers
Nice replacements for Mox Opal and Mox Diamond . They let you hit signets/talismans/growths/big dorks on turn 1. They help you escape from underneath Trinisphere or Sphere of Resistance . They are slot intensive, but with Tymna in command zone to guarantee draws I would also highly recommend these. These will be invaluable in helping you get a stronger start than more expensive opposing stax decks. They're a small hit to the wallet but once again, fraction of the price of Opal/Diamond.
I didn't see these listed in the OP or in comments, so I definitely wanted to bring them up. Work extremely well to accelerate and color fix, they also work with Blood Moon . They're enchantments so it gives extra diversity from creatures/artifacts against wipes. Works extremely well with Arbor Elf and Voyaging Satyr
Tutors basic land of your choice to your hand. There are a couple downsides though 1) Doesn't ramp you at all 2) Most cards with landcycling aren't very good for the actual spell. Landcycling does have a few big perks though 1) its an activated ability, which makes it MUCH harder to interact with and mostly immune to stax effects 2) minor bonus utility of actually playing the card 3) it will become a land eventually so it dodges more hate than other permanent types. This would be effective if you had other strong stax decks in your meta, or a crazy amount of counterspells, but otherwise I'd try one of the other ones I listed first.
3 months ago
Umm, well I can't offer my exact land selection to you as it involves revised duals I can say this:
Fetches are your friend, seriously. In a 5 color deck having fetches rarely make me sad, so I would run the full contingent:
There are Mirage fetches as well, a whole friendly color cycle of them, they are 'slow' but they can still grab shock lands, and cost no life: Rocky Tar Pit , Bad River , Flood Plain , Grasslands , Mountain Valley These also have the benefit of being absurdly cheap. That being said, if you do not have access to these, I'll offer some other suggestions.
Go up to 42-44 lands. Sure the curve hits 3/4, but I don't think the ideal is to hit 4 lands and be pleased with life, so I would suggest adding lands, and increasing consistency by removing some of the etb tapped lands:
Here are some 'simple' 1:1 conversions for cards I think would suit the deck better.
Honestly I hate the Terminate and some of the other choices but I am exhausted so I thought I would offer some help as opposed to trying to offer more and simply not posting.
4 months ago
As Throne of Eldraine Spoilers are flowing like a Fairy Tale Epic, I'll try to explain my reasons for things not mentioned for Allied Colors here yet. Before I do, Delay looks great, but how does Suspend work, & how good is it against opponents? I also suppose all ten Ravnica Signets & Talismans are better than Arcane Signet ? I'm intrigued about this; it seems like:
Is this where the rankings stand for Overall Power for these Mana Rocks? Just checking to be sure.
Finally, I still am guessing there's no substitute for Demonic Tutor unless anyone can say different. For now, though, It's a lost cause. Anyways, the list:
Arctic Flats Snow Taplands
Gavony Township Innistrad Location Duals
Grasslands Tap Fetches
Horizon Canopy Future-Sighted/Horizon Duals (Missing 4 other allied cards.)
Riftstone Portal Graveyard Duals (Or something...)
Saltcrusted Steppe Storage Duals
Sungrass Prairie The Crappy Fetchlands
Veldt Duals Utilizing Depletion Counters
Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree Ravnica Location Duals
Anything else as Dual Lands you may already be familiar w/. I just wanted to mention the worst Allied-Only, Nearly awful Allied-Only, & nothing else. Since I'm reduced to a situation where nearly all my cards in my Landbase need to not ETB Tapped, I want your opinions on the worst of the worst. & I'd like your opinions for the ones that didn't get noted that ETB Tapped, but is still good; which bumps off, for instance:
Stirring Wildwood Man Lands
Temple of Plenty Scry Lands
Selesnya Guildgate Guild Lands
If I'm missing out on anything, either:
A: It's a more common Two Color Land than these types.
B: So many use them, there is no point in mentioning them here.
Sorry for the inconvenience for all these kinds of lands. I just want to see as too which ones are worth adding... Thanks in advance.
4 months ago
Hey man! I got a few suggestions:
Vintage Xerox-style cards are very powerful in EDH. Ponder and Preordain belong in pretty much any blue deck, and Brainstorm is good if you put in three or four more fetch lands to prevent yourself from getting Brainstorm -locked. Between them, these three will make sure you get to what you need and past what you don't; they may not look good, but they're busted. Some fetches (outside the Zendikar/Onslaught cycles) to consider: Grasslands , Flood Plain , Bad River (which will all grab your Hallowed Fountain and Prairie Stream ), Evolving Wilds , Prismatic Vista , etc.
Swords to Plowshares is the best spot-removal in the game... I suggest running it, even though I'm generally against one-for-ones in EDH as usually they're simply not efficient enough; however, Swords to Plowshares is one mana, does not ramp your opponent like Path to Exile , and a single one-for-one is alright.
Narset, Parter of Veils is an EXCELLENT card I see you're running. Consider universal mass-draw to accompany her: Timetwister is the best, but as it costs the same as a used car, Windfall is a much more common option.
You've got a good amount of artifact ramp, but there're some other rocks you should consider. Talisman of Progress is a really good two-mana mana-rock you should consider, and Voltaic Key / Manifold Key pair well with your Mana Vault and Basalt Monolith . Even if your general is flickering the vault so it enters untaps, the keys will make two additional mana.
Whir of Invention is an artifact-tutor to consider. If you have access, Transmute Artifact and Reshape are also great. These will get whatever Stax piece you need, or, more likely, find your Isochron Scepter if you have Dramatic Reversal in hand.
Silence is a good form of combo-protection. On the turn you want to go off, it can be difficult to ensure that you're not facing any counter magic. Silence is a must-counter that you can use to blank an opponent's turn if necessary.
There are some other flicker-able cards in your colors you should consider. Watcher for Tomorrow is a good way to Impulse every time you trigger your general. Rishadan Cutpurse is similar to your Rishadan Footpad , though being less mana to cast is significant; since Rishadan Footpad is four mana, it'll be competing with your general to be cast. I'm not sure if it's quite good enough for a final list, but I've seen Ichor Wellspring in a lot of Brago lists. If you choose to run snow-covered basics, Arcum's Astrolabe seems straight better than the wellspring. Finally, Snapcaster Mage can be BUSTED if you have the funds to get ahold of it.
I see you have the Archaeomancer + Temporal Manipulation loop. Have you considered Savor the Moment instead of Temporal Manipulation ? If you flicker your general and three mana in rocks, you can pull off the loop with less mana (your general untaps the mana and himself).
Good luck! Hope this helps.