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Blue Sun's Zenith
Target player draws X cards. Shuffle Blue Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
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Blue Sun's Zenith Discussion
21 hours ago
Hey, first time I've seen an actual silver-bordered card as a viable Commander and not just a gimmick, +1
Consider an infinite blue mana combo: five Islands + High Tide + Peregrine Drake with tutor help from Johnny for Snap and Deadeye Navigator. Use this combo with Johnny to tutor for Blue Sun's Zenith, draw the deck and then play all cards in the deck.
Other cards to consider are:
Good luck with your deck.
4 days ago
Hey, looks good for a first Commander deck.
Talrand can be a nice budget control Commander, but he needs a lot more instants than I see here. Spells that can help you dig for other cards as well as draw. Take more advantage of Talrand's ability to make creatures and play more cheap mana instants and sorceries instead of so many creatures. Creatures like Mnemonic Wall who you've included and my suggestions of Archaeomancer, Docent of Perfection and Curious Homunculus are the kind of abilities you want with creatures because they also go with the control/ Drake making strategy of Talrand. Creatures such as Slither Blade and Storm Fleet Aerialist look out of place because if controlling you don't want aggressive creatures or creatures that benefit from being aggressive.
You're on the right track with including several good cards: Brainstorm, Mystical Confluence, Mana Leak, Negate, Blue Sun's Zenith, Sol Ring, Thought Vessel, Reliquary Tower, Echoing Truth, etc. There's however a lot of cards that can be replaced for better budget options.
Even if you're on a budget there's still a lot of budget blue cards you can include. I'll start with cheap draw, currently there's not enough cheap mana draw. You have Brainstorm which is good, but you need more. Cheap mana draw is good with Talrand you're both drawing a card and gaining board presence with a Drake for a small amount of mana. These cards don't just draw and make Drakes, but they also let you dig for other cards. Specific answers such as a counterspell, bounce even land.
Tide, Snap and Archaeomancer can make an infinite Drake creation combo from casting Snap, making a Drake each time it's cast. Snap lets you untap two Islands which can then produce more mana because of Tide. Snap can continuously bounce Archaeomancer back to your hand letting you play him again and get back Snap from the graveyard. Best thing about these cards are they're all good alone if not using them with the combo.
- Play High Tide, any Island tapped now makes two blue mana.
- Tap two Islands for four blue mana. Play Archaeomancer get back Tide.
- Tap Island for two mana play Tide again, any Island tapped now makes three blue mana.
- Tap the one Island left giving you four total blue mana. Play Snap target Archaeomancer untap two Islands.
- Tap two Islands giving you eight total blue mana. Play Archaeomancer get back Snap.
- Play Snap target Archaeomancer untap two Islands.
- Each iteration now you'll get eight mana and one Drake by playing Archaeomancer and Snap leaving you with two blue mana left each time.
This combo is done on your turn so all the Drakes will not be able to attack until the next turn. It forces one of your opponents to have a board wipe or they all lose. To shut this combo off for the turn make sure you have Archaeomancer in your hand before you end the turn. He's the most vulnerable of this combo since he's a creature; protect him in your hand don't have him in play. He's the best way to start the combo again because he can get back Tide from the graveyard.
The buyback ability on Capsize lets you pay the cost and return Capsize back to your hand. For six mana this is a repeatable spell to create a Drake and bounce any permanent back to opponent's hand, even a land. As a result Capsize is very good with Talrand. It can also bounce a permanent you control this can be good with creatures who give you something when they enter the battlefield such as Archaeomancer.
If you're using a gain control strategy then I suggest these two cards:
Good luck with your deck.
6 days ago
Budget green staple Commander cards to consider:
As far as finishers it's pretty hard for your opponents to beat a fast Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur.
1 week ago
I thought of another possibility. Since you like infinite mana, you could just instakill with Blue Sun's Zenith
1 week ago
How do you feel about how much control you have over wheeling? I would worry about discarding or wheeling over Laboratory Maniac (although most of your wheels put cards back in your library, which is oddly in tension with the maniac). Maybe Winds of Change would be better than Windfall or Wheel of Fate to keep the maniac around?
I try to land a Kindred Discovery when I have combo pieces out like Altar of the Brood, Impact Tremors, Laboratory Maniac, or Purphoros, God of the Forge. That lets me respond to my draw triggers one at a time, rather than to a wheel effect that must be completed. Then I can draw all of my deck except for 1 or 2 cards and pause to respond to a draw trigger with an instant that goes back into my library, like Blue Sun's Zenith. Along the way, I use some combination of Ashnod's Altar, Gemstone Array, Mana Echoes, and Phyrexian Altar to store a ton of U mana to keep drawing the zenith and re-casting it back into my library.
I can't literally do that forever, but I can do that long enough to take care of libraries with a few more cards than mine or opponents with high, but not infinite, life totals.
I wonder if more win cons might be helpful here.
1 week ago
Nice build man. Since you are using some infinite mana combos why not run a Blue Sun's Zenith. In doing so you can combo that with a Laboratory Maniac for self mill win, or since Sun's goes back into your library you can mill out your opposition.
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
You should consider running Blue Sun's Zenith its 3 blue shuffles its's self into your library