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Echoing Truth Discussion
4 days ago
This deck is slowly coming along. I really think counterspells shore up a lot of lantern control's weaknesses. I would like suggestions for dealing with non creature threats/hate cards like Stony Silence or Damping Matrix if they somehow make it to the board. Right now my main contenders are Set Adrift, Echoing Truth, Commit, & Reality Acid. Any thoughts on those or can you think of another spell that could work?
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1 week ago
CIPT stands for Comes Into Play Tapped. Generally CIPT have some sort of added bonus to make you want to play them over a basic land, but the problem with them is if you have a hand with too many it can slow you down. Provided you only have a few it's usually not too much of an issue. The issue with depths is that yes you can rearrange the top of your deck but you can't put them to the bottom so if there are cards you don't want, you're going to have to draw them at some point. Personally i wouldn't play the full set, maybe only 2 copies, but that's also largely because you have a lot of cheap spells you want to get out quickly. Having a CIPT land can slow you down by a turn or prevent you from casting a creature and still being able to hold up a counter compared to a normal island.
As for something to protect lord, the first things that come to mind Kira, Great Glass-Spinner and Spellskite are unfortunately pretty pricey. Swiftfoot Boots/Lightning Greaves aren't ideal but if there is some sort of board sweeper like Wrath of God, you get to keep the equipment in play to equip to another one. If it's removal specifically you are worried about Misdirection might be an option but i'm less certain about that recommendation.
As for other cards to put in the sideboard, it depends on what kind of decks you think you will run into. I'll list some here, but if there is a specific deck in mind and you want to know what types of cards are good i can try to suggest a few cards. Usually I like 2-3 sideboard cards for each type of deck i think I might play against unless it's a matchup I think i won't be able to win unless I have more ways to disrupt them.
If you think you will be against a lot of counterspells, Dispel is a nice option.
For token decks or decks that make a lot of creatures quickly, Engulf the Shore
Artifact based decks: Hurkyl's Recall
Echoing Truth is a nice catch-all to hit things that vapor snag can't
1 week ago
I've been having difficulty dealing with a threat (creature or other) once its stuck. Boomerang hits them all, Vapor Snag has the incidental life loss which is meaningful, and I was running the Echoing Truth in the Board already.
U/B obviously has access to black creature removal, which I run, but I think something more is needed...
2 weeks ago
Well it looks like a mash up of Soul Sisters and Gideon tribal without the pay off of either. I don't see how it will survive against the Death Shadows decks with hand disruption or the combo decks with Echoing Truth.
2 weeks ago
I think I might cut Inspiring Vantage now that I have no mainboatd Goblin Gaveleer. Seems reasonable. However, cutting even the one land makes me nervous - I don't think I want to run too many more fetches. Maybe one more... maybe.
2 weeks ago
I've been testing cheerios in paper since sram got printed, and there's a few things I've learned that might help your deck choices. Firstly, you really need some sort of interaction in the MD, there's just no way around it. Most lists run 2x Swan Song in the main to protect the creatures, since it counters any sort of important interaction from your opponent's side of the field. The 2nd thing I've learned, 2 Grapeshots in the maindeck is a must for game 1's. It decreases your fizzle rate, and in certain situations you'll need to fire off a small grapeshot just to deal with creatures from your opponent's side of the field (like when your creature gets removed and you're about to die, it's mostly a hedge against things going wrong).
I've tried running alternate wincons in the form of additional creatures in this deck, and at least as far as the MD goes they're not needed (Monastery Mentor, Goblin Gaveleer, etc). Your deck is not as well-equipped to win the fair game, and suiting up a goblin isn't great by itself. If you have puresteel out to equip for free, you should be winning via the combo anyway so it's a classic example of "win more".
Your SB is always meta-dependent, but there are a few things that I've found. Dispatch looks really good on paper, but in reality it punishes you for holding your artifacts in hand. If you need to get rid of something before you have the chance to combo off, or if your only creature gets discarded, often you don't want to play out artifacts for no value just to get a slightly better Path to Exile. Path should definitely be in those slots, since it's better in certain cases where you need to get rid of problem creatures (having an Eidolon of the Great Revel resolve against you, you don't want to take 8 damage putting out 3 artifacts then casting the Dispatch just to get rid of it). The extra land from path often doesn't matter since you win so quickly anyway (same theory as using Swan Song, your opponent won't have time to make much use of it). Also discard wrecks this deck, so I'd go up to 4 Leylines in the SB. Echoing Truth is a must-include against opposing leylines and Chalice of the Voids since it gets rid of multiple copies which sometimes comes up. I'd remove the Wear / Tears for them.
There's a lot more I've learned in my testing, but I realize I'm writing a book here so I'll stop lol. If you want to check out my list, here it is: The Honey Nuts Good luck!
3 weeks ago
I agree with your thoughts on Liliana, Entomb, and the tutors. Liliana really doesn't have any synergy with the rest of the deck. Seems like a good card to cut.
As for Flytrigreen's comments on Llanowar Elves, I agree with him that it is a card to cut. It's good in the early game. However, late game it's better used as a pitch card for Survival of the Fittest. The only thing I think might be a problem with dropping Llanowar Elves is that it is reducing your creature count. I'm not sure what your meta game looks like and that could be an issue.
I think your build is getting really tight and looks really good. I was just going over your list again. What are your thoughts on Reality Shift? I like the exile part but the manifest could be problematic at times. What about Curse of the Swine or Echoing Truth instead? Both are fetchable with Muddle the Mixture. Echoing Truth is awesome at dealing with tokens. Curse of the Swine can exile more than one threat and reduce a large army down to 2/2s. But that maybe more of my play style than yours. The other card that seems like it hase the same problem is the Swan Song. Conditional counter and gives your opponent a blocker.
And I know you probably aren't going to like this one, but what about the Mana Crypt? I know it is a really strong acceleration card, but Bolting yourself in the face doesn't help that much over several turns. Maybe a Worn Powerstone instead?
So, I think if I were playing this deck, my final changes would be cutting Llanowar Elves, liliana, death's majesty, and Swan Song. That would get me to the 100 cards for the deck. I would swap out the Reality Shift for a Curse of the Swine. The last change i would make would be to swap the Mana Crypt for the Worn Powerstone. But the Crypt for the Powerstone swap is a really tough choice.
What do you think?
3 weeks ago
Hello! I've been working on finessing my Puresteel Storm (Cheeri0s) deck for a while now. I need a little bit of help with sideboarding, fitting a Hurkyl's Recall into the mainboard, and formatting my deck description. Below is my deck:
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First, my sideboard needs some work. To start, I noticed on Mtgtop8 (which I've been using more and more recently) that the decks that have placed seem to run Echoing Truth, although I think that Dispatch is also a valid (and more permanent) solution to pesky creatures/permanents. I understand the Echoing Truth hits noncreature permanents as well as creatures and deals with tokens, but Dispatch is extremely powerful and much better than Galvanic Blast in my shell. Also, I would like to fit another Leyline of Sanctity into my sideboard. It is really nifty in the right situation, and can shut certain decks down until they can find an answer.
It should also be noted that Laboratory Maniac is the only creature in the deck that is a win condition my opponents cannot interact with without removal. Goblin Gaveleer is shut down by Ensnaring Bridge and the like. grapshot dies to Leyline of Sanctity. While the lab maniac isn't run on any top 8 sideboards I have seen, I think it really does deserve a slot.
Hurkyl's Recall is one of the most powerful sidebaording options for this deck. It can bounce affinity and lantern control's entire board while also being able to serve as a Retract when necessary. In fact, it is such a versatile sideboard cards that I think one in the mainboard is a safe bet. But my mainboard is tight and well trimmed - i don't know what to replace.
My deck runs Goblin Gaveleer and Lightning Greaves as an alternate win condition mainboard. The bonus that this gives me is twofold: first, it is an alternate mainboard option that gets around Leyline of Sanctity; second, if I (8for any reason) can't fully combo off with garpeshot, I can equip cheeri0s and maybe Lightning Greaves to the Goblin Gaveleer, the just attack. I'm willing to listen to suggestions as to why I should cut gaveled and greaves, but be warned - they work very well for me.
Finally, I don't do this often (in fact, I've never done this before), but I am trying to format my deck description. While I know that this technically isn't the forum of this, I wanted to include it here. I seem to have gotten the folders to work somewhat, but I can't figure out exactly what is wrong. Maybe my computer, maybe not. I have screenshots of the deck description - if anyone would be willing to help, I'll put a link up so people can see if I did anything wrong.
Thank you so much!