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Echoing Truth Discussion
10 hours ago
Maybe it's too cute, but have you considered Hunted Horror ? Thing can block the tokens or remove them from the game by flipping. You could also play something like Echoing Truth as an extra way to deal with the tokens :)
2 days ago
For my mill i’m creatureless except for Hedron Crab and everything is fine. What i’ve been doing is just running Damnation , Echoing Truth , and Crypt Incursion to last the distance. Trying to do this on a budget is a bit trickey, because Damnation is the most easy free win card vs creature decks. I’d imagine Languish will do the job 80% of the time.
For me i’m running 4x Damnation, 3x Truths, 2x Incursions. You’ll probably want something similar but with Languish instead of dammy to save some $$$. Include a playset of Visions of Beyond if you can so you can dig for them easier.
1 week ago
1 week ago
Oh, and a few thoughts:
I'd swap around the Snag/ETruth distribution: as in, 4 Vapor Snag s in the main and 3 Echoing Truth s in the sideboard. it's a cheaper removal spell and can be a 1 mana protection spell/way to reuse Spellstutter.
I'd also go up to 4 Pestermite and down 2 Latchkey Faerie . In my own Modern faeries deck, I've found Pestermite's Twiddle ability to be far more useful and versatile than the draw/slightly larger body of Latchkey Faerie, though I won't fault you for doing it the other way around.
1 week ago
Thank you for the kind words, it's much appreciated. Off the top of my head, the best tip I can give you for learning to play the deck is to not get frustrated. Ad Nauseam is a deck that rewards patience and the ability to move seamlessly from game to game without getting rattled. The most common mistake I see players picking up the deck make is giving up after losing game one and counting themselves out; or yelling when their Spoils of the Vault exiles Lightning Storm and Laboratory Maniac . Like most combo decks the list is made to be consistent but every once and awhile it just doesn't work. You really need to learn to accept this fact and focus on the games ahead.
Another tip I can give you, which I allude to in the primer, is to begin evaluating decks not on what they are, but rather on how they can interact with us. Honestly at this point when I face jund I don't actually write down jund when recording my matchup at a tournament, I usually just write "Discard/life." Evaluating decks in this way makes sideboarding easier, and gives you a better idea of when it is possible to go off. Traditionally, a deck will attack us in 3 ways, via discard, via pressuring our life total, or via counterspells (there are others but these are the most common). The worst matchups are the ones that can attack us on multiple angles, hence why Grixis Death's Shadow, which attacks us on all 3, is a bad matchup, whereas burn, life total, is a good matchup. The deck takes more meta knowledge than most would assume as you really have to know how your opponent is going to interact and beat you.
The final tip I can think of off the top of my head is to be conscious of your sideboard, this is a deck that is very easy to overboard with. Remember we are a combo deck, so our 60 is engineered to be as consistent at possible at getting that combo, introducing new cards compromises that consistency somewhat in order to remove angles of attack that will beat us before we have a chance to win. I still need to find the time to type up my sideboard guide on here for your use but keep that in mind. Sometimes a card like Echoing Truth may look fine in a matchup such as tron, but in reality, is this really better than any other card in our deck? Especially considering we are cutting our worst card in Phyrexian Unlife for the 2 Thoughtseize ? The answer is no, and getting yourself to the point of evaluating what is coming out is key for playing Ad Nauseam.
Of course if you have any more questions or more specific questions about anything from sequencing to Pentad Prism math, I am more than happy to answer, just leave a comment on this page.
As for your budget concerns, can I ask what budget you are working with? My list due to the foils doesn't really accurately depict the price of the deck, with no foils I believe it is about $450-$500 making it one of the cheapest competitive modern decks. If that is still too high I would say the first thing I would do is cut Gemstone Mine for a Dreadship Reef and a basic, you lose some consistency but if you are looking to get in on a budget that would be a start, though in the long term you should invest in those. Leyline of Sanctity is a must in my opinion but if you are dying to play the deck it is one of the most expensive cards, and you can choose a variety of options from my list above, again though I must stress that I would not recommend any of this unless there really is no choice, both "cuts" are really must-haves for the deck. Everything else really is necessary unfortunately or you risk just not having the mana to support what you are doing. I also think Peer Through Depths is cheaper than Spoils of the Vault so you could run that version of the deck. Otherwise, talk to your local meta and ask about maybe proxying a few cards while you learn, tell your opponents they can have the match win if they are strict but get in the game time.
Finally, sorry for the novel, my attitude towards new standard sets like War of the Spark is always to approach it optimistically but, as history holds, we don't get many new toys from these sets, so I'm excited by the potential, but I'm not holding my breath for anything particularly special. Modern Horizons on the other hand is both very exciting, and incredibly scary. To start with the positive side, it's impossible to speculate on what new-designed cards could be in the set so I'll stay away from those, but in terms of reprints, I would love to see Flusterstorm reprinted, I think it would be a consideration for the sideboard as it is in legacy ANT, I also think it would be cool to see cards like Pulverize (a fun toy that could be cool to build with) or especially Xantid Swarm , though both seem unlikely. Flusterstorm I think has a chance so that is what I am holding out hope for, though buying judge foils will suck a little bit. In short, there is a ton of potential for reprints or even new cards that could add to the deck which makes me very excited moving forward. The other edge of the sword with this is that, like most modern decks, there is the risk that the set makes the deck virtually unplayable, that it gets pushed out. I see the chances of this happening being low but the possibility is scary and definitely something to be aware of, if nothing else I am assuming I will have some new hate cards that I have to learn to deal with.
If you made it this far, thank you, I hope that answers your questions, and if you have any more questions let me know as I'm more than happy to answer.
2 weeks ago
Thanks for your Feedback guys.
@Faded In one of my next Updates i will defnitly try to replace some cards with Echoing Truth and/or Into the Roil . Also Wash Out might be a good replacement for some of other removement spells. Warstorm Surge is already replaced with Ashnod's Altar - totale forgot about it. Arjun and Niv-Mizzet will leave the deck for cards from the Mayeboard in a future update. Up to now (only played ~25games) they did nothing for winning a game.
@BloGames2603 because of cutting expensive creatures in future Mindwrack Liege isnt an option then. Because of cards like Coat of Arms, Favorable Winds and Obelisk of Urd Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive isn't an viable option at the moment. If one or two of these cards will leave the deck i will defnitly consider about Tetsuko.
About Toothy, Imaginary Friend Im not sure because he is quite expensive to play and i have not much control about the moment when he dies. Therefore im tending to Chasm Skulker which synergize with cards like Impact Tremors and Goblin Bombardment .
Consecrated Sphinx will definetly find its way in to this deck. But op to now i have only a much cheaber version in Form of Windreader Sphinx . Nezahal, Primal Tide could also be a good replacement - i have to try him.
But why do you think Rhystic Study does not wirk with Propaganda?
2 weeks ago
Thanks for the compliments, Darkness has definitely gotten better with the rise of Phoenix in modern, a lot of games nowadays really come down to being as efficient as possible with your resources and Darkness , in my opinion, while not a permanent solution to any problem, is by far the most flexible.
As for your question, yes and no. For me, Mystical Teachings is not the cut if you want to play Echoing Truth in main as then you would only have 2 tutors in the deck, plus I am a huge advocate for Mystical Teachings and would never register a 75 without it. I have played Echoing Truth in the main at a tournament where I expected a lot of Humans and the cut I made was 1 Pact of Negation , essentially swapping the sideboard Echoing Truth and it. This is where Echoing Truth is best as, without it, we basically concede game one to Humans. That being said in both paper and, to my surprise, on MTGO recently, I haven't played much Humans (thankfully) so the need to play Echoing Truth on main has not been something I have cared much about, I would rather have the extra piece of protection than a card that is functionally dead in many matchups.
Looking at the top of the modern format right now, the only decks that I would consider having Echoing Truth on main would be beneficial for are: 4-Color Prison, Bant Spirits, and Humans (which I include more out on respect than anything else). Against Prison its a nice tool to have access to if they manage to lock me out quick enough, against Spirits it's more of a bonus than anything. And personally, I feel it is wholly unnecessary against most Phoenix builds. So in simpler terms, there really aren't enough decks that I will see on a frequent basis where Echoing Truth is necessary. Pact of Negation and Mystical Teachings will, at the very least, both always have an use. This is not to say that playing an Echoing Truth is by any means wrong or bad, I just don't believe that competitively it needs to be in the main at this moment as there aren't enough decks seeing a high enough percentage of play that demand we play it or just concede.
Thank you for the question, I hope my answer was satisfactory.
2 weeks ago
I really love the Darkness tech you have here, with the burst damage that Phoenix can put out it makes a much better inclusion than any sorcery speed wrath.
Echoing Truth occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
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All decks: 0.0%