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Temple of Deceit
Temple of Deceit enters the battlefield tapped.
When Temple of Deceit enters the battlefield, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
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Temple of Deceit Discussion
5 days ago
I'm not actually super confident that this deck needs blue at all, it seems to me that it plays out relatively similar to Grishoalbrand type decks, and to this end I think the shell could pretty solidly be B/R. The problem with cards like Contingency Plan is that if it wiffs what exactly did you get from it? The answer is nothing. Taking a lesson then from Grishoalbrand's playbook the package of Discovery / Dispersal , Cathartic Reunion , and the immensely powerful Faithless Looting are the best options to ensure Protean Hulk finds it way into the graveyard, whilst also providing at least some value for you. The way I see it is that the only blue card that is necessary to win is Body Double and you aren't actually casting it. That kind of covers it for the combo/dig part of the deck, so what about the rest of the deck. Well considering the combo happens all on one turn I would strongly recommend the playset of Simian Spirit Guide which enables a very improbable, but possible turn one win which looks something like this:
Turn One: Exile Simian Spirit Guide , cast Faithless Looting , discard Protean Hulk and any card not in the list above (note one or two of those cards can be found off Faithless Looting meaning you essentially have 9 looks), play the swamp, exile the two other Guides and cast Footsteps of the Goryo , win at end step.
That is very improbable, but it could happen, and the addition of Guide really would speed up your cloak, regardless if you take it to B/R or not. I also wouldn't play the full playset of Fatal Push , instead I would diversify, likely with 1-2 Fatal Push in the sideboard and only 1-2 copies of Collective Brutality in the main simply because it can discard Protean Hulk (I realize this card is expensive though so it is only a suggestion for if you decide to invest in this deck; the same can be said for some of the other cards I will suggest; if you want budget alternatives I'm more than happy to start digging around to see what I can come up with). Filling out the deck, I think I want doubles of most of the combo creatures as I would hate to draw them, though that doesn't feel optimal and I would have to test to see, and maybe some form of protection. As you are winning the turn you play Protean Hulk perhaps Pact of Negation , its fast, free, and versatile.
The land also needs a good amount of work. No matter what you do I firmly believe you want at least 3 scry lands, whether that be Temple of Deceit or Temple of Malice depending on the direction you go, ideally a playset of fetches as well for the marginal advantage of deck thinning. I would also encourage playing both Gemstone Caverns here, as the math with that luck counter could be interesting, and Gemstone Mine as if your opponent plays a Leyline of the Void you are functionally dead, to get around this, in addition to hate in the sideboard, it would be advantageous to actually be able to cast your cards, I mean, a 6/6 is a 6/6, it can win games in desperation.
As for your sideboard, I think you want a healthy mix of hate and protection; on the side of protection I would consider Pact of Negation , Silence , Chalice of the Void (turns off opposing hate and with a diverse cantrip base built around two-cost spells, is amazing against Phoenix). The other half of the sideboard I would devote to staying alive and more general hate: cards like Lightning Axe , Kozilek's Return , Bontu's Last Reckoning , Engineered Explosives , Blood Moon , and Shatterstorm .
If I was building a sideboard for a large tournament with the proposed B/R shell it would look something like this (obviously though this needs to be tested and the numbers better figured out):
2x Pact of Negation (unless in main)
2x Blood Moon
2x Wear / Tear
IF PACT IS IN MAIN
1x Fatal Push
I realize what I am proposing here is a totally different shell that just happens to use the same combo, but I strongly believe a B/R shell is the more competitive build of the deck in terms of consistency and speed. Either way good luck and good draws
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2 months ago
I like the updates! With Blue Sun's Zenith, Capsize, and Debt to the Deathless, you're probably good on infinite mana wincons. A couple of small things to consider: You'll probably want to run Momentary Blink over Cloudshift. The extra value is worth the mana inefficiency is Commander. Also, regardless of whether or not you decide to put in the infinite Drake/Great Whale combo, I would put in Possessed Skaab over Mnemonic Wall. The body is about the same value, and having the flexibility to return a creature is major upside. Also, Trinket Mage would be an upgrade over Trophy Mage. The former gets you Sol Ring and Wayfarer's Bauble, while the latter gets you Worn Powerstone and Darksteel Ingot. I would also ditch Temple of the False God. It's pretty bad in general, but even more so in a 3-color deck. A basic land would be better, although Temple of Deceit , Temple of Silence , and Temple of Enlightenment , or even Zhalfirin Void would be huge upgrades with your theme. Aether Hub is also pretty bad. Some affordable upgrades include Vivid Creek , Vivid Meadow , Vivid Marsh , Arcane Sanctum , Terramorphic Expanse , Jwar Isle Refuge , Scoured Barrens , Sejiri Refuge , and Tranquil Cove . Finally, if you're going to run Karn's Temporal Sundering, you'll probably want another legendary or two, whether that's Kaya, Ghost Assassin , Obzedat, Ghost Council , Aminatou, the Fateshifter , Brago, King Eternal , or Vela the Nightclad.
2 months ago
Your deck has some requirements, so you should only run nonbasic lands and mana rocks that can add somehow. Some cheap suggestions are: Reliquary Tower , Unclaimed Territory (I see you have a lot of wizards), Exotic Orchard (usually tap for all your colors), Darkwater Catacombs , Sunken Hollow , Shivan Reef , Underground River , Fetid Pools , Temple of Epiphany , Temple of Deceit instead of Crypt of the Eternals , Rupture Spire , Vivid Crag , Vivid Marsh , Temple of the False God and some basic lands. // Unstable Obelisk is really expensive for what it does - Reality Shift do the job cheaply. Archaeomancer is great for recursion.
2 months ago
Your deck gives me a chance to suggest a card the I've wanted to use, but never quite seen the right setup for, but more on that in a bit...
Conventional wisdom is that you shouldn't mix creatures with infect and those without, outside of mana dorks. It is also that you shouldn't rely on auras, as they give your opponent a 2-for-1. Invisible Stalker though will wear any aura quite happily since it has hexproof, it also can't be blocked. A card like Slippery Scoundrel might also be ok, though 10 permanents is a lot. Neither of these were the card I mentioned in my opening, that card is Elusive Tormentor Flip this card is interesting because it transforms into a 0/1 hexproof, indestructible, can't be blocked creature and can then be flipped back to deliver the 4 damage. It doesn't lose any auras attached when it transforms, so that means a 4/4 infect and the gag is you can transform it back to Insidious Mist in response to your opponents removal.
There is also a decent draw spell with proliferate Tezzeret's Gambit and proliferate on a stick Thrummingbird, both of these are worth consideration. 27 land is a lot, 23-5 would be fine and this gives you more slots. Your also wanting to play control, so Temple of Deceit or Fetid Pools is a lot better than Submerged Boneyard, Halimar Depths might also be worth considering. Moving on, a pump spell might be a good idea Virulent Swipe or Supernatural Stamina for example.
2 months ago
Normally people between 36-40 lands, right? I'd say this one wants 38. Couple especially good ones: Myriad Landscape and Ash Barrens. If you're serious about the token theme, maybe also Westvale Abbey Flip.
I really like your choice of a bunch of modal cards (with odd mana costs, obviously) that can do a bunch of different things. I would add a couple more - Righteous Confluence is less popular than the blue and black ones but still pretty good (life sometimes matters a lot in Commander, this gains 15).
I STRONGLY suggest the Scry temples from Theros block. Temple of Silence, Temple of Deceit &Temple of Enlightenment all help you control the top of your deck and your colors. Isolated Watchtower is also pretty freakin good in your deck as green decks will often ramp, so it should often be live.
Some pretty good ones from EDHrec that contribute to your strategy: Prognostic Sphinx, Windreader Sphinx Angel of Serenity Luminate Primordial and especially Conundrum Sphinx Penance and Future Sight. Those last three, I really would try to find room for (holy damn, especially Penance).
Then a couple general comments - you should probably try to include 2-3 sweeper effects and maybe 3-5 point removal (for a creature, I mean) effects, and a few effects that hit other permanent types (like Anguished Unmaking and Utter End). I think you'll probably want to include most of the cards I mention above that mention card draw, because it's REAL important to not get stuck on lands in EDH, and card draw's really a good way to avoid that.
A few cards that I think would be good cuts: Dowsing Dagger Flip, maybe Anointed Procession depending (you probably would want 20-30 token effects to justify this), Aphetto Alchemist, Lich Lord of Unx also because it's expensive, Master Trinketeer which has an activated ability that's way too damn expensive, Retrofitter Foundry which again is way too expensive, Sram's Expertise is probably too low impact - Righteous Confluence would be a great replacement here, for example, Connive / Concoct and Discovery / Dispersal are both a lil underpowered too.
Those are some thoughts for now - looks real fun though, isn't this commander's complexity so nifty?
Temple of Deceit occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.06%
U/B (Dimir): 1.94%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.59%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.57%