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Temple of Deceit
Temple of Deceit enters the battlefield tapped.
When Temple of Deceit enters the battlefield, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
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Temple of Deceit Discussion
4 days ago
I like the updates! With Blue Sun's Zenith, Capsize, and Debt to the Deathless, you're probably good on infinite mana wincons. A couple of small things to consider: You'll probably want to run Momentary Blink over Cloudshift. The extra value is worth the mana inefficiency is Commander. Also, regardless of whether or not you decide to put in the infinite Drake/Great Whale combo, I would put in Possessed Skaab over Mnemonic Wall. The body is about the same value, and having the flexibility to return a creature is major upside. Also, Trinket Mage would be an upgrade over Trophy Mage. The former gets you Sol Ring and Wayfarer's Bauble, while the latter gets you Worn Powerstone and Darksteel Ingot. I would also ditch Temple of the False God. It's pretty bad in general, but even more so in a 3-color deck. A basic land would be better, although Temple of Deceit , Temple of Silence , and Temple of Enlightenment , or even Zhalfirin Void would be huge upgrades with your theme. Aether Hub is also pretty bad. Some affordable upgrades include Vivid Creek , Vivid Meadow , Vivid Marsh , Arcane Sanctum , Terramorphic Expanse , Jwar Isle Refuge , Scoured Barrens , Sejiri Refuge , and Tranquil Cove . Finally, if you're going to run Karn's Temporal Sundering, you'll probably want another legendary or two, whether that's Kaya, Ghost Assassin , Obzedat, Ghost Council , Aminatou, the Fateshifter , Brago, King Eternal , or Vela the Nightclad.
5 days ago
Your deck has some requirements, so you should only run nonbasic lands and mana rocks that can add somehow. Some cheap suggestions are: Reliquary Tower , Unclaimed Territory (I see you have a lot of wizards), Exotic Orchard (usually tap for all your colors), Darkwater Catacombs , Sunken Hollow , Shivan Reef , Underground River , Fetid Pools , Temple of Epiphany , Temple of Deceit instead of Crypt of the Eternals , Rupture Spire , Vivid Crag , Vivid Marsh , Temple of the False God and some basic lands. // Unstable Obelisk is really expensive for what it does - Reality Shift do the job cheaply. Archaeomancer is great for recursion.
1 week ago
Your deck gives me a chance to suggest a card the I've wanted to use, but never quite seen the right setup for, but more on that in a bit...
Conventional wisdom is that you shouldn't mix creatures with infect and those without, outside of mana dorks. It is also that you shouldn't rely on auras, as they give your opponent a 2-for-1. Invisible Stalker though will wear any aura quite happily since it has hexproof, it also can't be blocked. A card like Slippery Scoundrel might also be ok, though 10 permanents is a lot. Neither of these were the card I mentioned in my opening, that card is Elusive Tormentor Flip this card is interesting because it transforms into a 0/1 hexproof, indestructible, can't be blocked creature and can then be flipped back to deliver the 4 damage. It doesn't lose any auras attached when it transforms, so that means a 4/4 infect and the gag is you can transform it back to Insidious Mist in response to your opponents removal.
There is also a decent draw spell with proliferate Tezzeret's Gambit and proliferate on a stick Thrummingbird, both of these are worth consideration. 27 land is a lot, 23-5 would be fine and this gives you more slots. Your also wanting to play control, so Temple of Deceit or Fetid Pools is a lot better than Submerged Boneyard, Halimar Depths might also be worth considering. Moving on, a pump spell might be a good idea Virulent Swipe or Supernatural Stamina for example.
2 weeks ago
Normally people between 36-40 lands, right? I'd say this one wants 38. Couple especially good ones: Myriad Landscape and Ash Barrens. If you're serious about the token theme, maybe also Westvale Abbey Flip.
I really like your choice of a bunch of modal cards (with odd mana costs, obviously) that can do a bunch of different things. I would add a couple more - Righteous Confluence is less popular than the blue and black ones but still pretty good (life sometimes matters a lot in Commander, this gains 15).
I STRONGLY suggest the Scry temples from Theros block. Temple of Silence, Temple of Deceit &Temple of Enlightenment all help you control the top of your deck and your colors. Isolated Watchtower is also pretty freakin good in your deck as green decks will often ramp, so it should often be live.
Some pretty good ones from EDHrec that contribute to your strategy: Prognostic Sphinx, Windreader Sphinx Angel of Serenity Luminate Primordial and especially Conundrum Sphinx Penance and Future Sight. Those last three, I really would try to find room for (holy damn, especially Penance).
Then a couple general comments - you should probably try to include 2-3 sweeper effects and maybe 3-5 point removal (for a creature, I mean) effects, and a few effects that hit other permanent types (like Anguished Unmaking and Utter End). I think you'll probably want to include most of the cards I mention above that mention card draw, because it's REAL important to not get stuck on lands in EDH, and card draw's really a good way to avoid that.
A few cards that I think would be good cuts: Dowsing Dagger Flip, maybe Anointed Procession depending (you probably would want 20-30 token effects to justify this), Aphetto Alchemist, Lich Lord of Unx also because it's expensive, Master Trinketeer which has an activated ability that's way too damn expensive, Retrofitter Foundry which again is way too expensive, Sram's Expertise is probably too low impact - Righteous Confluence would be a great replacement here, for example, Connive / Concoct and Discovery / Dispersal are both a lil underpowered too.
Those are some thoughts for now - looks real fun though, isn't this commander's complexity so nifty?
2 weeks ago
Hi there, I'm from the advertise your commander thread.
I used to have a Nin, the Pain Artist deck based on stealing and copying your opponents stuff. I always liked to win using your opponents cards, so its nice to see a deck with a similar theme.
I think your current build has a lot of room for optimization as there are many cards that have strictly or subjectively better counterparts. These are some suggestions for cards I would replace and what with:
Other cards that fit the theme of the deck: Clone, Stunt Double, Phyrexian Metamorph, Clever Impersonator, Roil Elemental, Vesuvan Doppelganger, Cackling Counterpart & Rite of Replication (Non budget: Bribery & Gilded Drake)
I would probably drop the flicker subtheme you currently have because you dont run a lot of creatures and go down a few lands (37 should be fine) in favor of more draw (Rhystic Study & Mystic Remora are nice). Also, one of the good things about black is the access to tutors. By adding tutors you increase the consistency of your deck, as they effectively serve as an extra copy of all the other cards in your deck. Lim-Dul's Vault, Beseech the Queen and Dark Petition are some good relatively cheap ones. (If you want to invest a bit of money in it, Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are great.)
I hope this helps and good luck with deckbuilding!
PS. Dont forget to comment on the previously posted deck in the 'advertise your commander deck' thread. ;)
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
In terms of total cost of the deck, your single Ugin could be sold/swapped for enough decent lands to make the mana-base much more consistent, thereby solidifying the base of the deck. Or keep it and just spend more money on lands. That said, I agree with Darth_Savage that you'll want to cut back to 3 colors maximum. Just looking at your mana-base and CMC graph, I'd suggest you start with some U/B lands such as: Sunken Hollow, Tainted Isle, Temple of Deceit, and/or Underground River. There are, of course, better lands that cost more money - I just suggested the mid-range ones. You can find more lands fairly easily with this lovely unformat here on tappedout from ForgotenWaffle - All the lands in a sorted list (Unformat)
1 month ago
For your lands, I would recommend you run 38. This number should be a mix of utility, mana fixing, and basics.
P.S. Hour of Devastation is not allowed in your deck.