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Drogskol Captain Discussion
1 week ago
First of all, I really like Spirts and I've built a very similar deck that I've had success with.
So I'm going to make some initial suggestions with explanations. My advice is coming from playtesting this deck for months and months. That being said, it is YOUR deck so feel free to play however you like!
What I believe you should take out:
Here's what I think you should add:
And here are my reasons why:
You want to cut down on Auras. Drawing an Aura without having a creature to equip it to feels really bad, it's a dead card. This deck should be creature-focused, all about beating your opponent down with Flying spirits occasionally buffed up with Auras; not the other way around.
Sovereigns of Lost Alara is a great card, but most opponents won't let you survive until you have 6 mana. This deck wants to end things very, very quickly. A Geist of Saint Traft equipped with Steel of the Godhead is a very fast clock, you really don't need to go to turn 6.
Without the Sovereigns, Eldrazi Conscription is also pointless.
Daybreak Coronet is a great card, but unfortunately it cannot be searched by Tallowisp's effect. There is a ruling that states Tallowisp can only search for cards that say "Enchant Creature" on their first line with no other words in that same line (so things like Steel of the Godhead are fine). But Daybreak Coronet says "Enchant creature with..." so unfortunately it cannot be searched.
You liked having the option to stall the game with Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch and Ghostly Possession, well let me tell you about Selfless Spirit and Gift of Immortality. Selfless Spirit can sacrifice itself at any time to give your whole team indestructible, so they can freely block any creature or survive damage or destruction. It's a great effect, but a Selfless Spirit enchanted with Gift of Immortality can do this EVERY TURN and there's very little your opponent can do to get out of this lock. I'd highly recommend this change above all others I've listed.
Swords to Plowshares because you need some reliable removal in case you run into a creature that's just giving you a lot of trouble.
Curious Obsession keeps your hand filled; the last thing you want is to run out of steam.
I'd recommend exchanging 1 Drogskol Captain for another Spell Queller. Once you have a Steel-enchanged Geist on the field, you should try to save mana for Spell Queller, because your opponent might try to kill it with a mass removal spell like Supreme Verdict. You need to be able to stop things like that with Spell Queller.
Feel free to look at my deck here: Immortal Geist
I've written some pretty detailed stuff so you can get a good understanding of the deck.
As for your sideboard, I'll take a look at the Legacy metagame and get back to you, but good luck with your deck!
2 weeks ago
Birds of Paradise, Noble Hierarch, and Vendilion Clique aren't spirits, 0/10 not on theme enough
For real though, why no Kira, Great Glass-Spinner? Basically copies 5-6 of Drogskol Captain, definitely worth imo.
2 months ago
Luckily, D&T/Hatebears isn't in the top ten decks, it isn't a real part of the meta with less than a percent of the meta, and your "Heaven on the roam. (Weenie hatebears)" isn't exactly a tuned varient of hatebears either. Your deck also it isn't weenie, but that is beside the point.
Also, "no original content"? I mean, if you are saying everyone plays the exact same hatebears deck, I'd implore you to check that statement, because Death & Taxes has some of the most varients that are still powered enough to see play.
Look at the normal mono-white hatebears builds.
There are some with just Aether Vial, Leonin Arbiter, Blade Splicer, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, and Flickerwisp as the main core cards of the deck, with Path to Exile, and Restoration Angel, etc. Some of these run Eldrazi Displacer and Thought-Knot Seer with Eldrazi Temple and Shefet Dunes for an eldrazi package.
Some of the eldrazi and taxes decks are W/B (Which I find is one of the most common varients), while others want to run Blood Moon/Magus of the Moon and run W/R. Other W/R varients use Lightning Bolt and Simian Spirit Guide to pump out extra damage or a larger threat earlier on. Plenty of these builds run Chalice of the Void, and plenty don't.
One of my favorite varients of hatebears splashes blue. This one runs a tribal theme with Drogskol Captain and goes for a spirit tribal instead of Flickerwisps and Blade Splicer beatdown. It uses spirits because of the power given by Rattlechains with Mausoleum Wanderer and Spell Queller. Of course it runs a full playset of Selfless Spirit and a pair of Cavern of Souls with a single Moorland Haunt to provide extra value. With a full set of Path to Exile, 3-4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, 4 of Aether Vial, and the playset of Leonin Arbiter the deck is a hatebear deck to be sure, and I love having W/U for sideboards, because it can run Meddling Mage, Kira, Great Glass-Spinner, Negate, and Detention Sphere.
Of course, these are just the two and one color lists, there was a bant one I went against, with Spell Quellers and Collected Company for some of the coolest plays I've seen, and a four color list (GWUB) with human tribal, making it seem like a 5-color humans list, but it ran the set of Leonin Arbiter, and it ran green for Gaddock Teeg, so though it ran Champion of the Parish and enough humans to warrant Cavern of Souls, it wasn't straight human tribal.
All of these lists are playable in the current meta, and none of these are top tier, let alone in the top ten decks, in fact hatebears hasn't been in the top ten for a long time if ever. If you claim you don't think any originality can exist in these decks, you are dead wrong, and if you claim you don't want a deck in the meta, then hatebears is perfect for you. Okay?
2 months ago
I like the Spirits and Cavern of Souls mechanic. I wanted to have a threat early and a turn 4-5 finisher consistently. T1 -- Mausoleum Wanderer Ideally Cast from Cavern of Souls and Lotus Bloom T2 -- Rattlechains -- Sac Mausoleum Wanderer if need be to slow opponent. T3 -- Drogskol Captain T4 -- Sovereigns of Lost Alara sacrificing Lotus Bloom and Tutoring for Eldrazi Conscription
4 months ago
Yeah, I'm looking at different cantrips and draw spells/mechanics to see about shrinking the virtual deck size and digging for things I need.
I'm really leaning towards cantrips. Serum Visions is definitely a top contender right now; but I'm thinking I may want to look for instant speed, so I can save my casts for my opponent's turns as much possible.
But I'm also thinking Bygone Bishop could be interesting in the deck; especially since I now am running more creatures, and all 3 cmc or lower. The only thing I'm not a fan of on this is: Bygone Bishop is a 3 cmc, can be removed, and it gives me investigation tokens I need to spend mana on to get the draw effect. More points of failure on drawing; but potentially could add way more card drawing than any of the cantrips, and it synergizes with Drogskol Captain and Rattlechains.
Hard decision, if you'll notice, my Maybeboard is stacked with cards that could give draws; so trying to narrow down to what I really want to include with the deck.
Once again, I appreciate your input and suggestion on the card drawing, and as always, your suggestion is one of the best (if not the best); just going through the motions to find the exact card I want for the deck.
4 months ago
Id lose some speed on anything Redirect affects, and lose my one off bomb card; but now that my creatures are not so defensive, I dont think I need Godhead of Awe. A Drogskol Captain or two and my other spirits, combined with the board control spells should open up enough opportunity to beatdown the opponent, without needing to set all creatures to 1/1.
This will give me more creatures, more instant speed casts (even without Rattlechains, well one more instant speed cast), and a little more permission built into the deck.
I think a fairly good trade off; but I do love Redirect when it works...
4 months ago
Oh, and as for the combo...Curse of Exhaustion isn't really similar to the combo; it is similar to one piece of it, but not exactly.
Eidolon of Rhetoric is played because as a spirit (so it can help with the beatdown), Drogskol Captain can protect it from targeted removal and is 1 mana less than Curse of Exhaustion. Now, Curse of Exhaustion is one sided, but I actually don't like that; I want it to affect everyone.
Jace, Unraveler of Secrets is there for his token.
With both the token and Eidolon of Rhetoric in play, my opponents (yes could be multiple in a big game) will be limited to playing 1 card per turn, and the first card per turn they cast will be countered. So, they get 0 cards per turn, unless they have a bunch of uncounterable cards; which I'm not sure how common that is, but they tend to be more expensive (cmc wise), right, so I thought it would be rarer.
Now you may be right, my combo may not be fast enough, which would suck...and that is why I wanted to build control to extend the game long enough to get the combo.
4 months ago
First, thanks for you input and suggestions, Path to Exile will definitely be added, just not sure for what yet (although I am a bit concerned with the ramp up of my opponent, but that shouldn't be too bad).
I suspected this deck was too slow for Modern, which is why I am asking for help. I have a pretty big gap in between my times of play (Unlimited to Fourth Edition, then Tempest and Stronghold, and then random booster boxes bought from 2012 forward, except, I haven't bought any new cards for about 2 years), so I am not aware of many of the options that are out there. Additionally, because the time I played most actively was so long ago, many of the staples of play are not Modern Legal and I'm not sure what replaced them or what the best option for replacement was. Which is why Cancel was in the deck, I knew it was a 3cmc straight up counter, one turn slower than my favorite spell in the game Counterspell; I didn't know what else to choose (going with Mana Leak btw, thank you).
Okay, on this deck, it is not a Azor's Elocutors deck; it is intended to be a deck in the vein of Tempest Deep Freeze. Objectives are to limit what makes it to the battlefield, then lock down what you do allow to the battlefield. Any opportunity where you have a battlefield advantage because of the control aspects, you should be swinging with whatever you have on the field. It really is a control and beatdown deck. Azor's Elocutors is in as an alternate win condition, if you can completely lock down the board with the Eidolon of Rhetoric + Jace, Unraveler of Secrets combination, essentially making it a 3 card combo against decks that can't answer the primary combo. However, this has convinced me walls are the wrong choice for this deck, too passive. So I need some decent low cmc creatures to replace the walls, preferably with some permission or control aspects to them.
Okay, for counterspells, dropping Cancel and picking up Mana Leak. What are your thoughts on Mausoleum Wanderer? I was thinking it doubles as a creature for my deck (since I am sticking with spirits) and gives me a counter. My concern is it is limited to instants and sorceries. I anticipate early game to be facing a lot of creature casting, so it seems of limited value, and isn't a strong creature until pumped up by Drogskol Captain, and if I make it to turn 3 or 4, then even a hard counter like Cancel would be a better choice due to the limits on what it can counter.
On the lands issue, yeah, in the old days (maybe I'm shackled by my previous experience...lol) it was common practice to run around 1/3 of your deck land, and I still build like that. I don't mind being mana tight. I start getting up to 24-26 lands, like suggested currently, and I notice I flood seemingly way more often. I despise flooding. So yeah, I run tight; I think the curve on this deck may be too high, but the high cmc cards (excluding Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and Eidolon of Rhetoric) are not necessary until later game, while the lower cmc cards are intended to help make it to late game. Telling me "I need to make it 8 turns" is an issue for the deck? That is what I'm trying to make the deck do...drag games out > 8 turns. Also 70% of my deck is <= 3 cmc. I am going to be removing Drogskol Cavalry for Leyline of Sanctity, so that should reduce the curve a bit too. That being said, land tweaking is always the last thing I do, and you may be right, it may need 24-26 lands, or some digging. But that usually comes from play testing for me, not my initial build. I build tight, then loosen up if needed. This allows me to know which cards can be removed from the deck and replaced with lands.
On the walls, I do agree, for different reasons. I'm going to remove them from the deck, for some slightly more aggressive creatures, who hopefully will have some control aspects built into them. I liked the utility both of those walls provide; but they don't allow me to attack when opportunity arises. If you have any ideas for <= 2 cmc creatures that provide some good control utility (preferably without paying something every turn, like Gideon's Lawkeeper, although I do like that card) but still allow me to chip away when opportunity presents itself, I'd really appreciate it. The argument that walls shouldn't be used because removal exists is silly to me though. In that case, non Shroud/Hexproof creatures shouldn't be used because removal exists. A player using removal on my creatures is a part of the game and mostly 1 for 1 trade; this deck shouldn't (if built right) mind 1 for 1 trades in normal game flow. That card and mana could have been used by my opponent to strengthen their board, instead it was used to weaken mine; but this deck will struggle most against opponents that focus on strenghtening their own board quickly. I used to play a modified Tempest Deep Freeze a lot, and that is what this deck is inspired by, and I will tell you, in my previous experience, attacking my board was not the way to win against the deck. Removal spells are the least of my concerns, especially when used on a disposable 2 cmc blocker; unless that next attack takes my life to 0, I don't mind losing those early creatures and delaying, whether it is delaying an attack hitting me, or delaying my opponent playing a more meaningful spell because they used removal on essentially a chump blocker. I hope I explained this correctly; not sure if I did. Either way, walls are out, and I'm going to put in more aggressive creatures.
As for the Card Advantage discussion; yeah, I could use some for sure. I like Sky Hussar, that could be useful. If I have a positive board state (which can often happen due to the board control spells in the deck) I could definitely use that card to draw. That being said, I'd prefer if I could get some extra draws on some control spells. Any ideas?
Finally, thanks again for your input. Definitely a lot to think about and some changes to be made.