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When Stonehorn Dignitary enters the battlefield, target opponent skips his or her next combat phase.
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Stonehorn Dignitary Discussion
5 days ago
@Lowenstein I own this deck in paper and MOST decks in my meta are creature-heavy aggro based decks. Wall of Omens does a great job slowing them down in the early game and Stonehorn Dignitary + Venser, the Sojourner shuts them down from attacking altogether. With help from Coiling Oracle this combo goes online as early as T4.
To protect this combo I use Eerie Interlude to "counter target/mass creature removal." Wishing for Privileged Position/Sigarda, Heron's Grace/Dovescape is the long term plan for noncreature protection. thats why mainboarding Disallow isnt ideal for me because im more interested in the situational aspect of countering an activated/triggered ability than a counterspell in general... Glittering Wish/whishboard is more about Game 2 to tutor for an answer/tool to shut down the opponents Win condition and or shut down their answer to disrupting my combo. so thats why i opted for Voidslime.
Path to Exile is a great card but i have a hard time justifying it in here due to this decks effectiveness/consistency of shutting down the creature game. the opponent can theoretically use Through the Breach to cheat in Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and it straight up doesnt matter with a turn 3 or 4 Stonehorn Dignitary play. I use Detention Sphere as my hasty removal or even better Venser, the Sojourner + Reality Acid to have the opponent sac targetable permanents for every blink activation.... if need be wishing for Supreme Verdict is an option.
1 week ago
How the deck plays is that it locks out scarier opponents with its value control creatures and makes allies with Roon's blink ability with the subtheme of hyper-ramp. Eventually the deck seeks to close out the game with said value creatures using Cathars' Crusade, Call for Unity, and Meadowboon due to the deck's huge capacity for low power value creatures. The other threats like Trostani's Summoner, and Avenger of Zendikar are more for go wide strategies and being fantastic closers on their own, that and they combo well with Cathars' Crusade. You can also steal your opponent's finishers with Gilded Drake, along with something similar to the kiki-jiki combo with Minion Reflector as detailed in one of my updates.
The deck is primarily value, bant doesn't have very many offensive ETB options outside of the ones mentioned in my list and Armada Wurm, let alone LTB.. So you have to compensate somehow and be a little more creative. Besides, the low power on my creatures means that Reveillark becomes more and more relevant outside of being a combo piece for said minion reflector.
Roon can be a build around commander, but typically you're building a concept around him, not a playstyle. Value is a concept, its not like Aggro, or Control, but is a lot more like Tempo-Midrange since whatever you draw is good, but it stalls your opponents. The only niche pick in my deck is the Stonehorn Dignitary since it only stalls combat. Now that I look at the deck, I find that my deck isn't built around Roon, but that Roon makes the plan move forward. He isn't like Krenko, Mob Boss where if you just stop him with Song of the Dryads you effectively removed the deck, he's more like the guy that pulls the lever on the machine and can walk away.
I don't know if you have a decklist for your Roon deck on here Hellfiend, but I think that you might be lacking other enablers or not abusing that ally making potential that Roon has if he keeps getting removed like that (at least that's my impression). Look at it this way, Roon is an enabler not the game plan, if they waste removal on Roon, then its one less removal spell to be used on your finishers as long as you have other enablers, otherwise that removal is even more useful when they stop Roon. Unless you are playing actual competitive EDH, then I don't know what to say about that.
I guess this deck is competitive in the casual sense versus try hard. I also never asked for the higher competitive percentage, but I'm not saying I don't want it, I very much like the fact that people consider this to be a competitive list. My deck wants to be fun and somewhat interactive (or at least that's how I intended to build this one anyway). I can also most certainly look at Ixidron, the more I think about it seems like a better and better option. I even have one on hand, however I'm probably not doing the elesh norn thing, enemy graveyard shenanigans and all that...
I find Thought Vessel to be not too very effective in my deck since it likes to interact with the graveyard, even Reliquary Tower is looking to be on the chopping block. I also have enough colorless sources as is for Eldrazi Displacer and Thought-Knot Seer. I have Ashnod's Altar to dodge exile removal or to help with mana in a pinch, and enable my infinite combo with minion reflector.
I hope this clears some things up Hellfiend.
3 weeks ago
Some other lockdown cards you could add could be Yosei, the Morning Star, Lavinia of the Tenth, Stonehorn Dignitary, and Pollen Lullaby. If you need to search for equipments, cards like Stonehewer Giant, Taj-Nar Swordsmith, and Enlightened Tutor. And lastly, some more untap effects like Bear Umbra, Awakening, and Breaking Wave could help.
3 weeks ago
I see you either bought the prebuilt or you went and got the commander's anthology, either way I like your pick of Roon. Now a bunch of these cards are either niche playable, or sadly don't have much relevance since they do nothing in the absolute worst case, but I'll get onto that topic a little later.
Now first begs the question: "Where am I going with Roon and what are my win conditions" You can't just drown your opponents is straight value and hope they give up because you drew so many cards. So you can go 3 ways:
Bant aggro/good stuff: This deck abuses the fact that Roon is a 4/4 beater with trample and vigilance that can save a creature or remove a blocker, the deck is more focused on the value it gains for using cards like Cathars' Crusade, Meadowboon, and Call for Unity to allow the smaller value creatures that can incidentally help get to the bigger threats do something (swing face): Solemn Simulacrum, Farhaven Elf, Mulldrifter and smaller bodied tokens to get bigger in case the value threats are gone or to close out games faster. It's finishers are go-wide aggro threats that play off cards like the crusade like Avenger of Zendikar, Walker of the Grove, Trostani's Summoner, Hornet Queen, Armada Wurm, and Craterhoof Behemoth to play off of all those tokens. Birthing Pod is a must for this style of deck as it allows you to get those value threats faster with no real setback. typically has some interaction like Counterspell or obligatory Cyclonic Rift, other than that its a value aggro deck.
Bant value control: This style really abuses the fact that Roon can blink stuff. Its focus is to lock its opponents out any way it can. Some styles of this variant vary, like hard lock, and soft lock. It has some of the same building blocks as aggro like using Mulldrifter and Solemn Simulacrum, but it focuses more on abusing Roon's ability with cards like Training Grounds and denying its opponents with value with Stonehorn Dignitary, Mystic Snake, Reflector Mage, Nevermaker, and Gilded Drake. Obviously it focuses less on attacking so its value threats use their abilities more to influence opponent's. It plays counterspells and good spot removal to assure victory, it can even hedge into becoming a stax build, (hard lock).
Hybrid: It has the best of both worlds with, it doesn't focus too much on either but has the ability to win on either front. this style sacrifices a consistent win condition to go and secure a spot to play value creatures and typically beats face for victory in multiplayer by stalling out scarier opponents and making allies with Roon's blink ability. In 1v1 it has the capability to dominate equally fast decks with its splashed control aspect. It uses the crusade as well, along with those huge value threats like the avenger of zendikar and birthing pod (for value), along with controlling value creatures like the stonehorn dignitary and gilded drake (secret tech, run Thought-Knot Seer). Some play more into one aspect over the other, and that's fine.
At the end of it all Roon is exceedingly versatile and can meet most standards you set it to, however Roon decks can be hosed by an artifact and its creature variants. Torpor Orb, if you don't have something to play around this like Naturalize, Krosan Grip, or Return to Dust there is really nothing your deck can do to stop it. The same goes for the creature variants, Hushwing Gryff/Tocatli Honor Guard, however since they are creatures they are inherently easier to remove, like with Swords to Plowshares, and Path to Exile. Some control variants play one or more of the value threats or Meadowboon to play around Orb when they don't have artifact/creature removal.
I tend to stay away from cards like Ghostway and Ghostly Flicker since they do nothing when you have no creatures on the battlefield, unlike their creature counterparts they can't block when you need a blocker. You have found a couple of blink creatures that fit the bill, and one that I didn't know existed! There is one to keep in mind though: Eldrazi Displacer its a fantastic card I recommend. Like mistmeadow witch and Roon it has repeatable blink, but it returns immediately, although tapped it can be used to invalidate blockers or to gain value. However you will need a bit more reliable colorless sources, which is why there are basics called Wastes, if you do run this I recommend running 3-4 wastes (4-6 if you have the seer).
Feel free to ask questions or peek at my list.
I hope this helps your brewing process, as well as others who seek to make a Roon deck!
4 weeks ago
If you want more out of the deck, there is always Thought-Knot Seer. It's great at any point in the game due to hand attack that's usually limited to black and red (but is even more useful since it exiles instead of discards), it has as big a body as Roon, and since you have Roon it can be repeated, its leave the battlefield clause can help you gain an ally as well! Also if you're going to run infinite combos, I don't see why you can't go to more degenerate extremes like playing a stax centric infinite combo deck with an aggro backup plan. Defense Grid, Propaganda, Stonehorn Dignitary, and the Thought-Knot Seer are good stax pieces. (that's if you are amused by the stax idea)
I think you could cut down on dorks if you played more basics and creatures that enter play and look for basics, like Solemn Simulacrum or Farhaven Elf. It also dissuades Blood Moon and Back to Basics, but that's just my two cents.
To Nathanial: I would play the Leyline over the orrery since Roon is blue, the moment you have one of these two they defeat each other's purposes. Besides, leylines come into play for free if they are in your opening hand, so unless your opponent's have enchantment removal on hand, its going to be harder to get rid of, especially if he plays stax Roon of the flicker puns!
1 month ago
Thank you so very much for helping with the deck, I've been waiting for some helpful feedback! The current land base is in early access, hence why it cannot support emrakul. As to the inclusion of planeswalkers, I currently run Ashiok, but am considering Venser, the Sojourner. Both exile cards, while Venser, assuming I add minions that have synergy with him (such as Stonehorn Dignitary), can stall very well. I know i should drop the damage prevention spells, but they are partly the theme of the deck, as sucky as it is. I was going to add some card draw, but during the creation of the deck, I couldn't really find a place to put it, that is untill now.
2 months ago
If you REALLY want to build an ultra-aggro mono red deck, run Krenko, Mob Boss, jam in all the broken-ass goblins you can find, and turn 'em sideways for fun and profit.
2 months ago
You can lock out combat with Stonehorn Dignitary with venser... Reality Acid is basically vensers ultimate with his +1... And infinite turns with blinking Eternal Witness and Time Warp... Also Coiling Oracle is amazing for draw/ramp... I have a bant blink deck on my page if you want to check it out for a few other ideas.